Indo-China Border & LAC

[Ultraman]

You are Rahul Gandhi follower, who believes that India has lost a huge chunk of territory, although his grandfather Nehru responsible for it.

In fact the Chinese have withdrawn 5 km from Galwan River clash point to a more defensive position.

In Pangong Lake area now an unmarked boundary is well defined at point 4.

In Despang area they have not occupied anything except prevented Indian Patrols from proceeding further.

Demchok area; the Chinese are so afraid that India will reoccupy the Kailash heights and threaten them that they sent only occasional Yak to graze in our land.

No, India has not accepted anything except whatever during Nehru era they occupied and got away.

almost all things u wrote are wrong. please stop this fanboyism

galwan valley : most of buffer zone is on our side of LAC , LAC was not at pp14 , LOP was at pp14 - ie line of patrolling

depsang bulge : chinese salami sliced over 900 sqkm in over a 12 year period starting during upa era

demchok: chinese crossed the lac and are occupying our grazing land . this has strategic implication . they are after demchok village.

pp17a : buffer zone mostly on our side , shifted towards indian side by .5 or 1 km

pp15 : again bufferzone mostly on our side, we got kicked out entirely out the valley from pp16 , we had to shift out pp16 to so that chinese agree to the bufferzone

pangongtso was only one in our favour but even there army had to remove boat peir .

 

[Ultraman]

"Are we prepared to accept the “new normal” created by China?"

It seems Chinese have succeeded 75% in making us accept the change of facts on the ground.

Weighing in on business as usual with China

India must decide which sectors of its economy it can selectively allow Chinese FDI, and keep in mind the interests of its national security and industrial development

www.thehindu.com

govt hasnt agreed to anything so far . lets wait and see .

i dont think we will bend the knee , worst case scenario new buffer zone will be mostly on our side . not a big lose .

what ever happens in ladakh , in AP Chinese are preparing for next conflict. no option but to pour in 1000s of crores worth of infra there


View: https://x.com/Mukambo1987/status/1836434520637063643

 

[jaijaganath]

almost all things u wrote are wrong. please stop this fanboyism

galwan valley : most of buffer zone is on our side of LAC , LAC was not at pp14 , LOP was at pp14 - ie line of patrolling

depsang bulge : chinese salami sliced over 900 sqkm in over a 12 year period starting during upa era

demchok: chinese crossed the lac and are occupying our grazing land . this has strategic implication . they are after demchok village.

pp17a : buffer zone mostly on our side , shifted towards indian side by .5 or 1 km

pp15 : again bufferzone mostly on our side, we got kicked out entirely out the valley from pp16 , we had to shift out pp16 to so that chinese agree to the bufferzone

pangongtso was only one in our favour but even there army had to remove boat peir .

Yes u are right about depsang and demchok
In Gogra both sides went back from their usual patrolling and surveillance region
In pp-15 yes we went back further from alpha 3
That is bcoz having pp-16 would give no significant advantage rather a threat for us to stay there
It was our decision bcoz road leading to pp-15 is barely 1km away during conflict which seemed evident at that time we would face slaughter
Moreover pp-16 does have helipad nearby so balance is maintained

If u remember we had discussed earlier

 

[DingDong]

"There is also some political risk. The Modi government has dismissed opposition accusations that it has accepted Chinese gains and a new normal at the border. However, domestic critics will continue to scrutinise any claims of a “return to peace and tranquillity” (the government’s stated metric) and whether concessions are made in the search for stability."

Possibility of an India- China Deal: Tactical thaw unlikely to shift strategic rivalry

Four years ago, a fatal military crisis at the India-China border took their relationship to a new low, where it has largely remained. In recent months,

organiser.org

Next you will accuse organiser of being a mouthpiece of pappu, unfortunately inspite of your age your strategic thinking is like the many teenagers on online forums.

Try to not see strategic issues through the lens of politics.

After the Balakot air strike some jobless defense experts in India supported the Pakistani position that was "some trees got uprooted and few crows died". In reality, Azhar Masood and his whole family tree seems to have vanished from the material world ever since that event, never to be seen again.

Let us not treat these opinion pieces which might very well be the WIKIPEDIA-style hit jobs as the "absolute truth". Some opinion pieces even claim that we lost 2000 sqkm territory after the Galwan clashes without providing any credible information to support their claims.

People make claims and counter claims in the public space based on their affiliations and motives, making a false statement on the floor of the parliament is another matter, it constitutes a criminal offense. I would rather trust the government's official statements in the parliament over these media reports until or unless those reports are proven through facts and figures.

 

[Ultraman]

Yes u are right about depsang and demchok
In Gogra both sides went back from their usual patrolling and surveillance region
In pp-15 yes we went back further from alpha 3
That is bcoz having pp-16 would give no significant advantage rather a threat for us to stay there
It was our decision bcoz road leading to pp-15 is barely 1km away during conflict which seemed evident at that time we would face slaughter
Moreover pp-16 does have helipad nearby so balance is maintained

If u remember we had discussed earlier

we moved back at pp16 , because that is what chinese demanded .

govt says deescalation happened in gogra - all is fine , reality they were still doing build up there after , 1 regiment artys aimed directly at gogra and beyond . they are also building some tunnel just outside of lac , god know what for .

 

[jaijaganath]

we moved back at pp16 , because that is what chinese demanded .

govt says deescalation happened in gogra - all is fine , reality they were still doing build up there after , 1 regiment artys aimed directly at gogra and beyond . they are also building some tunnel just outside of lac , god know what for .

I never found any source were Chinese asked us to move back from pp-16
Afaik it was logical to move back from pp-16 as it could have be disadvantageous for us
But that doesn't shift our strategic balance bcoz as far as I remember our logistics is better here than pp-15 due to helipads and roads
Moreover these were temporary buffer zones that were made to ease tensions latter on patrolling can be done by both the sides
But I don't have any info post 2023

Coming to disengagement jumla it's just farce both sides maintaining troops and building infra for future conflict
It's just that due to temporary buffer zones situation is bit stable

 

[hurrians]

making a false statement on the floor of the parliament

Article 105(2) of the Indian Constitution

Time and again what territory is lost or not is being discussed, but iam more interested in the gains and loses due to uturn on 'border before broader'.
This policy was not my construct and no compelling explanation(officially) has been given for agreeing with Chinese advice of keeping border issues in its appropriate place.

Iam not against normalisation (but it should not be at our expense alone)and I don't view this issue politically.