Indo-China Border & LAC

[Screambowl]

"Are we prepared to accept the “new normal” created by China?"

It seems Chinese have succeeded 75% in making us accept the change of facts on the ground.

Not happening, the Indian constitution already says whenever possible India will take back it's territory in Aksai Chin, the resolution has been passed long ago. Already made a post on this some time back.

Indians will tackle pigs and chin one by one, if Indians prepare for chins , the pigs will be made to succumb.

During operation Parakaram, Americans had warned Musharraf that Indians have gone mad and they are coming to butcher you if you do not fall in line. The connectors on missiles were always attached and safety pins were kept removed 24x7.

 

[DingDong]

Article 105(2) of the Indian Constitution

Time and again what territory is lost or not is being discussed, but iam more interested in the gains and loses due to uturn on 'border before broader'.
This policy was not my construct and no compelling explanation(officially) has been given for agreeing with Chinese advice of keeping border issues in its appropriate place.

Iam not against normalisation (but it should not be at our expense alone)and I don't view this issue politically.

Parliament can exercise judicial powers and bring about "Privilege Motion" for misleading the parliament. Such punishment cannot be challenged in any court of law including the Supreme Court of India.

 

[Azaad]

We're preparing for a post apocalyptic war .

View: https://twitter.com/clashreport/status/1838202965443694961?s=19

No this isn't a meme nor is it AI generated . It's an actual photograph of a Chinese border guard on the LAC.

I'm guessing this is how the next war between India & China will be fought.

 

[Anants]

View: https://twitter.com/clashreport/status/1838202965443694961?s=19

No this isn't a meme nor is it AI generated . It's an actual photograph of a Chinese border guard on the LAC.

I'm guessing this is how the next war between India & China will be fought.

Actually If I am not mistaken Indian Army had given right to shoot of its men are attacked by Chinese in any form.

 

[hurrians]

.from the amount of resistance by fellow membraans to accept the fact that GOI is doing a uturn on 'border before broader' , it seems the Chinese have almost won the game of salami slicing and then making us accept the new rules on the ground.

.some are unwilling to even accept that we are agreeing to Chinese terms and discarding our own pre conditions

.while much of this unwillingness stems from political leanings and so called fanboyism ,anyhow such tendencies will only harm Indian strategic interest in the long run

.while as one member puts it ,I too don't believe that all is lost and sincerely hope all of this was a test balloon to gauge the mood of public

.many strategic experts from both sides of political spectrum find this uturn harming Indian strategic interest

.let's hope due to the increased scrutiny of such move and criticism from various quarters GOI will do a course correction and will not fall in the Chinese trap of turning the page and keeping border issues at its appropriate place

. hopefully going forward more details will come in the public domain so as to analyse the pros and cons of current strategy

 

[hurrians]

"Referring to his recent remark that 75 per cent of the disengagement issues with China had been resolved, Jaishankar clarified that the figure only pertains to disengagement.


The main issue right now is the patrolling. You know, how do we, both of us, patrol up to the Line of Actual Control," Jaishankar said."

India-China Relationship Key To Asia's Future, Peace At Border Essential For Normal Bilateral Relations: Jaishankar

swarajyamag.com

 

[hurrians]

"As of now, no change in norms for Chinese investments in India: DPIIT Secy"​

"India's policy on Chinese investments remains unchanged, requiring government approval for FDI from countries sharing land borders. Despite tensions and minimal FDI from China, bilateral trade has grown significantly. Production-linked incentive schemes have boosted manufacturing investments and output in India."​

As of now, no change in norms for Chinese investments in India: DPIIT Secy

India's policy on Chinese investments remains unchanged, requiring government approval for FDI from countries sharing land borders. Despite tensions and minimal FDI from China, bilateral trade has grown significantly. Production-linked incentive schemes have boosted manufacturing investments and...

m.economictimes.com

 

[Zoid Raptor]

PLAGF autumn live-fire exercise at Zhurihe training base​

 

[Ultraman]

Actually If I am not mistaken Indian Army had given right to shoot of its men are attacked by Chinese in any form.

only for ladakh . AP and rest its still old mortal kombat rules .

 

[Zoid Raptor]

Nothing to worry...we need to only use our kamikazi drones..

China can produce 1000x more than us at the very least while most of our major cities in the north are within striking range of PLAGF which makes it convenient to overwhelm our defenses and flatten our command structures

 

[darkindie]

almost all things u wrote are wrong. please stop this fanboyism

galwan valley : most of buffer zone is on our side of LAC , LAC was not at pp14 , LOP was at pp14 - ie line of patrolling

depsang bulge : chinese salami sliced over 900 sqkm in over a 12 year period starting during upa era

demchok: chinese crossed the lac and are occupying our grazing land . this has strategic implication . they are after demchok village.

pp17a : buffer zone mostly on our side , shifted towards indian side by .5 or 1 km

pp15 : again bufferzone mostly on our side, we got kicked out entirely out the valley from pp16 , we had to shift out pp16 to so that chinese agree to the bufferzone

pangongtso was only one in our favour but even there army had to remove boat peir .

I request you to provide basis/proof of your claims.

If we have lost so much during the salami slicing and during negotiations, why has the pla stopped salami slicing? Why has the CCP foreign ministry changed it's tune?

What did we gain(we got a eyesight view of moldo garrison to direct accurate arty fire) in op snow leapord and why did we do it if we gained nothing? (It got us huge leverage on the table against chinese)

At this point every nation including us is buying time to prepare for wars for which no one will ever be prepared (as it always is with wars in every era).

People on this forum have gotten used to paki bashing that they have forgotten how to deal with an equal adversary( disadvantage in logistics does not make us unequal).

I see these border skirmishes as a good sign because:
We are finally constructing border infra and standing up to protect our border while chinese had been doing this from a very long time.

 

[mist_consecutive]

BRO on major road building spree in Ladakh. We have added more roads in the last 4 months than we did in the last 4 years.

 

[mist_consecutive]

almost all things u wrote are wrong. please stop this fanboyism

galwan valley : most of buffer zone is on our side of LAC , LAC was not at pp14 , LOP was at pp14 - ie line of patrolling

depsang bulge : chinese salami sliced over 900 sqkm in over a 12 year period starting during upa era

demchok: chinese crossed the lac and are occupying our grazing land . this has strategic implication . they are after demchok village.

pp17a : buffer zone mostly on our side , shifted towards indian side by .5 or 1 km

pp15 : again bufferzone mostly on our side, we got kicked out entirely out the valley from pp16 , we had to shift out pp16 to so that chinese agree to the bufferzone

pangongtso was only one in our favour but even there army had to remove boat peir .

Nigga what ? You sucking commie cock now ? C'mon !

galwan valley : most of buffer zone is on our side of LAC , LAC was not at pp14 , LOP was at pp14 - ie line of patrolling

Yeah I know what you are talking about, truth is LAC runs through patrol points. Yes IA did once push forward the PP14 of Galwan, doesn't mean shit we controlled it at any point.

I visited this place few years back =/= I control this place.

Buffer zone is half / half for both India and China, and the buffer zone boundary is PP14.

depsang bulge : chinese salami sliced over 900 sqkm in over a 12 year period starting during upa era

Not UPA era but since 1962.

demchok: chinese crossed the lac and are occupying our grazing land . this has strategic implication . they are after demchok village.

Chinese didn't cross shit. Some hobo nomads crossed the LAC and settled like 100 meters on our side. Ladakh police can kick them out.

pp17a : buffer zone mostly on our side , shifted towards indian side by .5 or 1 km

pp15 : again bufferzone mostly on our side, we got kicked out entirely out the valley from pp16 , we had to shift out pp16 to so that chinese agree to the bufferzone

True, can't deny that.

pangongtso was only one in our favour but even there army had to remove boat peir .

Lol what boat pier ? What are these twisted stories coming from ?

 

[Miss Firing]

India and China make ‘progress’ on pending LAC issues in eastern Ladakh

Both sides explore solution that factors in pre-standoff positions, to address issues in Arunachal.

indianexpress.com

India and China make ‘progress’ on pending LAC issues in eastern Ladakh​

Both sides explore solution that factors in pre-standoff positions, to address issues in Arunachal.​

 

[hurrians]

"It is apparent that the real test of diplomacy will be to reconcile the differences with respect to the Chinese blockade in Depsang Plains and Charding-Ninglung Nala Junction to arrive at a face-saving solution."

"any future interim tactical agreement in Eastern Ladakh will be based on India accepting the 1959 claim line with buffer zones in areas in which it differs from India’s perception of the LAC, with Indus Valley being an exception."
"the Modi government’s peace initiative is realpolitik"

Normalising India-China relations is an economic need. Modi is right to seek peace

Any future tactical agreement in Eastern Ladakh will be based on India accepting the 1959 claim line. The diplomatic challenge is to reach a face-saving agreement.

theprint.in

 

[Miss Firing]

"It is apparent that the real test of diplomacy will be to reconcile the differences with respect to the Chinese blockade in Depsang Plains and Charding-Ninglung Nala Junction to arrive at a face-saving solution."

"any future interim tactical agreement in Eastern Ladakh will be based on India accepting the 1959 claim line with buffer zones in areas in which it differs from India’s perception of the LAC, with Indus Valley being an exception."
"the Modi government’s peace initiative is realpolitik"

Normalising India-China relations is an economic need. Modi is right to seek peace

Any future tactical agreement in Eastern Ladakh will be based on India accepting the 1959 claim line. The diplomatic challenge is to reach a face-saving agreement.

theprint.in

Interesting lines by the ex PVSM, AVSM (R) Genrail Panag -




I wonder why the CCP generails did not just waltz into Tawang/AP or other areas & settle everything forever.

 

[hurrians]

.Chinese army is funded by US and European trade and a small part by Indian trade profits
.Russia arms china to the hilt
. apparantly geography favours the Chinese
. Chinese consider us as inferior, untouchables unworthy of their so called fraandship
.inspite of very long distance from their economic centers and mainland (see Google map , distance from eastern shore to ladakh), they are able to project power and block us at the border at least in ladakh region, in 1962 and now
.as we said in 1962 we are now saying let us wait for some more years to become militarily stronger
. China has steadfastly hindered our growth by propping up Pakistan acted against our strategic interest by supporting LeT, blocking NSG membership , interfering in our sphere of influence

But guess what chicoms are increasingly dependent on us economically as the west is increasingly on a minute percentage every year moving away from dependency on china.

And to their great dismay the asan/yindhu are no pushover or inferior as they assumed them to be.

 

[Ultraman]

Nigga what ? You sucking commie cock now ? C'mon !



Yeah I know what you are talking about, truth is LAC runs through patrol points. Yes IA did once push forward the PP14 of Galwan, doesn't mean shit we controlled it at any point.

I visited this place few years back =/= I control this place.

Buffer zone is half / half for both India and China, and the buffer zone boundary is PP14.



Not UPA era but since 1962.



Chinese didn't cross shit. Some hobo nomads crossed the LAC and settled like 100 meters on our side. Ladakh police can kick them out.



True, can't deny that.



Lol what boat pier ? What are these twisted stories coming from ?

suck commie dick ? naah its truth .

at galwan we had tents/posts ahead of pp14 , LAC at galwan was close to chinese end of buffer zone ,not at pp14 , most of buffer zone is on our side

want proof ?

early april - why is ia blocking chinese border guards 1km from pp14 ?

because this was the LAC


View: https://x.com/Mukambo1987/status/1479806595794046977

Chinese didn't cross shit. Some hobo nomads crossed the LAC and settled like 100 meters on our side. Ladakh police can kick them out.

nope , those hobos are backed by PLA , they are using tibetans to hold the land . why do u think we are begging them in talks to leave ?

Not UPA era but since 1962.

where was LAC in depsang ?

read this news article and what parliamentary committee had to say

https://www.business-standard.com/article/news-ians/parliamentary-panel-briefed-on-chinese-incursion-mulayam-says-government-scared-113042600968_1.html

"Defence Secretary Shashi Kant Sharma and senior defence ministry officials appeared before a parliamentary committee to give details of the incursion."

"They told the panel that Chinese troops had intruded 19 km deep inside Indian territory in Depsang in Ladakh region and pitched tents. They also said that efforts are underway to ensure that the status quo is maintained, informed sources said."

2013 intrusion at raki was 19km inside India , where does that put the LAC ?

depsang bulge used ot be at worst a grey zone patrolled by both sides , now its under control of PLA .

Lol what boat pier ? What are these twisted stories coming from ?

we had a old dock with boats at f2 , boats were removed before disengagement . and never came back

 

[Ultraman]

china's new nuclear sub sank with nuclear fuel

lifted off sea bed with cranes .

 

[ezsasa]

china's new nuclear sub sank with nuclear fuel

lifted off sea bed with cranes .




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they forgot to close both the hatches ?