Indo-China Border & LAC

helin · 2024-10-31T08:57:22+0530

Blademaster said:
Really? Pray tell us how exactly is Russia collapsing?

It depends on whether ordinary Russians want to return to pre-2022 or continue with the present

Blademaster · 2024-10-31T09:14:56+0530

helin said:
It depends on whether ordinary Russians want to return to pre-2022 or continue with the present

Blood+ · 2024-10-31T12:58:26+0530

helin said:
It depends on whether ordinary Russians want to return to pre-2022 or continue with the present

Dude, we are talking about a people who burned down their own capitol and carried on fighting till the eventual destruction of the Grand Army!! They will much rather die than capitulate to external pressure, as long as they think they have a shot at winning.

mist_consecutive · 2024-10-31T13:05:49+0530

View: https://x.com/PTI_News/status/1851875497161937088

View: https://x.com/manishindiatv/status/1851895110251737453

Bleh · 2024-10-31T14:08:42+0530

mist_consecutive said:
I did not say we "lost" 10,000 km land, buffer zone is our side, we lost, etc. etc. we are doomed. As of what agreement stands, we still have upper hand and advantage with disengagement & patrolling agreement.

Neither did I.

My point was very simple. India had established 65 patrolling points to ensure presence along OUR understanding of LAC (in red, which is quite a bit beyond the LAC you're used to seeing on international maps) access to 26 of which was blocked in 2020... A very simple question. How many of them we've regains access to? No more than 6 by my present understanding. You're welcome to prove me wrong. But until then it means that we've made no solid gains & the "buffer" areas mostly lie on our understanding of LAC even if it's only the Chinese are the ones pulling back, because they were originally on the west side of the red line enforcing the black-dotted LAC line! Which it isn't, because both are moving back. That's worse.

What have we conceded?.. we've let them in areas previously in our sole control to try to do another Galwan after 10 years.

I predicted exactly this even before these recent news were out. SO HOW WAS I WRONG?

We should be refusing to disengage until they moved back to 1959 pre-war seperation line (in blue) rejecting to recognise any line established by violence against us.

Ultraman · 2024-10-31T14:27:25+0530

Bleh said:
Neither did I.

My point was very simple. India had established 65 patrolling points to ensure presence along OUR understanding of LAC (in red, which is quite a bit beyond the LAC you're used to seeing on international maps) access to 26 of which was blocked in 2020... How many of them we've regains access to? No more than 6 by my present understanding. You're welcome to price me wrong.

What have we conceded?.. we've let them in areas previously in our sole control to try to do another Galwan after 10 years.

I predicted this even before these recent news were out. SO HOW WAS I WRONG?
View attachment 13757

We should be refusing to disengage until they moved back to 1959 pre-war seperation line (in blue) rejecting to recognise any line established by violence against us.

@mist_consecutive is rite .

patrol points "pp" went into buffer zone , not rite to say it was blocked , only those in depsang were being blocked .

the blue line is never gonna happen , blue line at pangong tso lake is practically international border , no way they are gonna give it to us . same for rest of it north

Bleh · 2024-10-31T14:32:56+0530

Ultraman said:
@mist_consecutive is rite .

patrol points "pp" went into buffer zone , not rite to say it was blocked , only those in depsang were being blocked .

the blue line is never gonna happen , blue line at pangong tso lake is practically international border , no way they are gonna give it to us . same for rest of it north

Depsand had only PP-10 to PP-13... That's 4 out of 26, ifffff we're getting access to them.

Hot-Spring areas have PP-15 to PP-23. There the engagements were at out PPs. Meaning any disengagement will cause us to lose access to our patrolling points along our LAC.

Ultraman · 2024-10-31T14:44:10+0530

Bleh said:
Depsand had only PP-10 to PP-13... That's 4 out of 26.

How spring areas have PP-15 to PP-23.
View attachment 13761

ajay shukla's map . pp15 is marked wrong

place where pp19 is marked , there is a chinese border post . been there since 2004

i dont know where pp19 - pp 20 etc are . but looks like ajay got it wrong here

just go to https://earth.google.com/

type in "34.331054 , 79.110287" in search bar

click circle icon , that gives u access to satellite image by date , very good resource

Roshan · 2024-10-31T14:50:05+0530

ezsasa said:
we don't even know what exactly triggered this escalation in the first place, it's been four years.

View: https://youtu.be/O4ZhXg-V7N0?si=0y4A2dR3DXW1HXJF
DBO highway is a good guess, we only started seriously building any infra near the LAC around 2012 after Murricans asked us to do so. It looks like Chinks don't want to worry about this fron for the time being.

ezsasa · 2024-10-31T15:05:42+0530

Roshan said:
View: https://youtu.be/O4ZhXg-V7N0?si=0y4A2dR3DXW1HXJF
DBO highway is a good guess, we only started seriously building any infra near the LAC around 2012 after Murricans asked us to do so. It looks like Chinks don't want to worry about this fron for the time being.

that's the theory i subscribe to as well, but it is one of many theories floating around and that's the issue. there is equal probability that Xi is not in control of some sections of his forces and the real target of this escalation is Xi, it's a theory.

not knowing why exactly a neighbouring country decided to convert a military training exercise to a conflict which lead to deaths is not a good place to be.

MasterChief · 2024-10-31T15:42:46+0530

helin said:
Both Russia and Ukraine are collapsing

Ok.. then Germany in recession since 2 years has already collapsed..

Bleh · 2024-10-31T15:49:27+0530

Ultraman said:
ajay shukla's map . pp15 is marked wrong

place where pp19 is marked , there is a chinese border post . been there since 2004

i dont know where pp19 - pp 20 etc are . but looks like ajay got it wrong here

just go to https://earth.google.com/

type in "34.331054 , 79.110287" in search bar

click circle icon , that gives u access to satellite image by date , very good resource

Maybe... I remember PP14, PP15 & PP17 were mentioned as flashpoints in the Galwan clash.

mist_consecutive · 2024-10-31T18:09:50+0530

@Bleh I will give you detailed reply tomorrow.

mist_consecutive · 2024-10-31T18:12:35+0530

View: https://x.com/manishindiatv/status/1851965497148932147

Chinese clearing the air that this friendship - border agreement is temporary.

bakofbakchod · 2024-10-31T18:19:44+0530

I wonder how many months before the next salami slice by chinks. I give it 4 months

mist_consecutive · 2024-10-31T19:26:07+0530

View: https://x.com/singhshwetabh71/status/1851953748173602912?s=46

WhAP completely mogged Chinese APC Type 80 in trials conducted by Morocco.

My hypothesis regarding Chinese weapons and quality is correct. It is indeed all hot air. They oversell their capabilities to scare you away, but on the actual battlefield they fail miserably.

something to ponder for all who think China is “light” years ahead of us in technoloy and we are hopeless.

jaijaganath · 2024-10-31T20:02:11+0530

mist_consecutive said:
View: https://x.com/singhshwetabh71/status/1851953748173602912?s=46

WhAP completely mogged Chinese APC Type 80 in trials conducted by Morocco.

My hypothesis regarding Chinese weapons and quality is correct. It is indeed all hot air. They oversell their capabilities to scare you away, but on the actual battlefield they fail miserably.

something to ponder for all who think China is “light” years ahead of us in technoloy and we are hopeless.

Point is they have those in hundreds but we barely have 22 that too ipmv version
Mahindra whap has very dark future
And we are going forward with Strykers

mist_consecutive · 2024-10-31T20:08:19+0530

jaijaganath said:
Point is they have those in hundreds but we barely have 22 that too ipmv version
Mahindra whap has very dark future
And we are going forward with Strykers

We also have BMP-2s in hundreds and free license to produce more.

My point is not that.

J20 -> 5th Gen
Type 15 -> Best mountain tank
Type 99 -> Best MBT
J10-> Rafale equivalent
PL-15 -> 150km range

Yeah, I will take these claims with a salt mine. A pragmatic approach will be to 1/2 what the Chinese originally claim.

jaijaganath · 2024-10-31T20:28:08+0530

mist_consecutive said:
We also have BMP-2s in hundreds and free license to produce more.

My point is not that.

J20 -> 5th Gen
Type 15 -> Best mountain tank
Type 99 -> Best MBT
J10-> Rafale equivalent
PL-15 -> 150km range

Yeah, I will take these claims with a salt mine. A pragmatic approach will be to 1/2 what the Chinese originally claim.

I was talking about wh-ifv
Tracked has it's own advantage and usage but we have huge requirement of wh-ifv
Nearly 550 if we look at the estimated order size of Stryker
I just hope they scrap it due to ongoing Canadian chutiyappa

Bleh · 2024-10-31T20:56:02+0530

mist_consecutive said:
@Bleh I will give you detailed reply tomorrow.

Much appreciated

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