Indo-China Border & LAC

"Secret China-India talks aim to redefine Himalayan border Published on 27/11/2023​





A delegation from China's ministry of state security is to visit Arunachal Pradesh to try to finalise a border agreement proposed by Beijing."


Don't know what the full report is, still it seems MSS was involved.
 
Look Chinese are playing their version of real politiks. I think they have smelled Trump winning. They fear new Trump admin continuing with India where he left in last presidency wrt coalition against China. They know Ukro Russo war is also going to ramp down if Trump wins, and they might not have same leverage over Russia by then.
 
China and its recent friendly gesture to India

Beware of China’s “friendship”—history shows a pattern of deception. From Qin Shi Huang’s reign around 200 BC, China’s leaders have often paired diplomatic gestures with covert conquests. This trend persisted, with Mao Zedong and Zhou Enlai outwardly promoting peace with India’s Nehru at the 1955 Bandung Conference, only to start encroaching on Indian territory shortly afterward, continuing in 1962, 1976, 1986, and 2020. Each incursion met resistance, often over desolate high-altitude snowy peaks.

In 2020, India responded with military strength, forcing China to retreat from several contested areas, though two locations remained unresolved. Now, China has unexpectedly vacated these spots, allowing India to control some previously contested heights. This sudden shift raises questions: what might China’s real motives be?

Is China’s recent concession a sign of ill intent, or is it struggling to manage multiple confrontations with its neighbors?

China’s ongoing military standoffs with Taiwan and the U.S., the Philippines, and India are stretching its resources, compounded by an economic slowdown fueled by rapid expansion in housing, infrastructure, military spending, and $10 trillion in debt. Sluggish demand for Chinese goods has led to slower growth, akin to Japan’s economic stagnation. Despite President Xi Jinping’s efforts, the crisis persists. The Chinese Communist Party’s legitimacy hinges on economic prosperity, so economic decline risks sparking internal unrest. Facing these challenges, Xi appears to be reducing external conflicts, prioritizing a settlement with India over disputed territories. Recently, China vacated two contested choke points, giving India strategic control over the area.

India welcomed the move, establishing control over the high ground. A broader Chinese withdrawal could lead to mutual military reductions and improved peace prospects. Yet, China’s approach to “peace” is often ambiguous, given its history of blending diplomacy with deception. India should not let down its guard along the LAC; while troops may pull back, they should maintain a verifiable surveillance system. Until final agreements are reached, India will continue fortifying its border infrastructure, keeping its defenses strong and ready.
 
Look Chinese are playing their version of real politiks. I think they have smelled Trump winning. They fear new Trump admin continuing with India where he left in last presidency wrt coalition against China. They know Ukro Russo war is also going to ramp down if Trump wins, and they might not have same leverage over Russia by then.
Trump winning might be good for China per say . Trump don't want to interfere in other country politics which is what China needs . Kamala is bad for China as she will try to enforce her "Rule of law" and meddle with other countries internal politics.

Reason could be chinese don't think tactically but they thing strategically ..this is more of a waiting game and much more to do with India internal politics .
Anyways until full details are out , I would be very skeptical of any gains on our side wrt this deal.
 
Trump winning might be good for China per say . Trump don't want to interfere in other country politics which is what China needs . Kamala is bad for China as she will try to enforce her "Rule of law" and meddle with other countries internal politics.

I doubt, because what Trump with the trade, tariffs and intellectual property theft regulations, Biden did that too and if Trump comes in power they will get more stringent. For example solar panels tariff which was put by Trump was doubled in Biden regime and most probably will be again raised if Trump takes over.
 
Trump winning might be good for China per say . Trump don't want to interfere in other country politics which is what China needs . Kamala is bad for China as she will try to enforce her "Rule of law" and meddle with other countries internal politics.

Reason could be chinese don't think tactically but they thing strategically ..this is more of a waiting game and much more to do with India internal politics .
Anyways until full details are out , I would be very skeptical of any gains on our side wrt this deal.
Brood understand Deep State, Demos & Department of State - they all want to milk all honey from China. So under them publicly POTUS shall blow hot but inside it shall act all chummy to let honey train flow.

Trump was disruptor last time. Dunno this time - what shall be his stance but expecting Kamala to do like trump is fools errand.
 
This is the case, refer to my this post -> https://defenceforumbharat.com/threads/indo-china-border-lac.14/post-47637

PP14 is the helipad we tried to build at the bend. PP14A is ahead (towards Chinese side) the point till where we tried to claim land (you also pointed out that LAC was actually at PP14A ahead of the Galwan bend).

Basically we will patrol till the opposite bank of PP14.



This area, to be exact - 28.451475313527904, 93.1667301221839

Patrolled (and claimed) by both China & India.



Details are scarce, but we will get to know slowly.
TIL: The Arunachal Pradesh govt has developed Chumi Gyatse as a popular tourism spot and directly/indirectly sponsors forward expeditions (led by 'civilians') across the Yangtze region on a regular basis.
 
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must be mistake on konchok's part. its not on finger 7


View: https://x.com/Kyangs_Thang/status/1851284578025030099


just because we grabbed the peaks , doesnt mean chinese would vacate entire tibet .

they already have alternative road to g219 ,which is the g216 + feeder roads . they were also building another road out of line of sight from the peaks we occupied .

never mind if we escalated we will lose more in ladakh . unless we escalated to other sectors , then chinese will do same and it may end up in war.
 

Until we connect #3 highway to demchok and build a lot of roads at the LAC, we are in no position to escalate anything with China or demand anything. They know this, we should also know this.

As Napoleon once said, mediocre generals talk tactics, good ones talk strategy but the great ones talk logistics.
Note how China didnt say ANYTHING till it completed the roads it wanted to build to the border regions in Tibet and only after it did, that it came demanding to us to GTFO their territory.

India has no choice for now, except to STFU and build roads to the frontier that will exploit our much shorter supply lines to the LAC than for China.
 
Until we connect #3 highway to demchok and build a lot of roads at the LAC, we are in no position to escalate anything with China or demand anything. They know this, we should also know this.

As Napoleon once said, mediocre generals talk tactics, good ones talk strategy but the great ones talk logistics.
Note how China didnt say ANYTHING till it completed the roads it wanted to build to the border regions in Tibet and only after it did, that it came demanding to us to GTFO their territory.

India has no choice for now, except to STFU and build roads to the frontier that will exploit our much shorter supply lines to the LAC than for China.
Agreed but the issue here is that you do not give up your biggest tactical advantage so early on the negotiation table. Road network on our side will take its own sweet time now but should that mean that we forego the pressure points we created. Ultimately we have to see the benefits of giving of such a position. Given this position threatened their main highway in Tibet this should not have let go before comprehensive deal on border crisis. We have a bad habit of giving up military gains on the negotiation table because the military has the weakest voice among all arms of national security
 
Oh hell no, we will also be basically having escorted patrols in Raki-nala and beyond. As of 25th China only dismantled the forward post at Y-junction and moved back their equipments. Everything apart from that (permanent infra) in DBO to Depsang all remains.

I don't see how they will dismantle almost billion $ of infrastructure built. This is a sham. In contrast Chinese are too salty that we captured Chumi Gyatse and Yangtse and they try every year to get it back.

Once they get easy access to the area I bet they will attack with full force & surprise to snatch that area from us. I mean its not even strategically deep, only 250 meters from LAC, an infantryman can make a run for it.

Wo kawn hy insaan jo mere ko hash pine wala bola tha... Kawn ho sakta hy wo?
 

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