Indo-China Border & LAC

[Blood+]

We also have BMP-2s in hundreds and free license to produce more.

My point is not that.

J20 -> 5th Gen
Type 15 -> Best mountain tank
Type 99 -> Best MBT
J10-> Rafale equivalent
PL-15 -> 150km range

Yeah, I will take these claims with a salt mine. A pragmatic approach will be to 1/2 what the Chinese originally claim.

More like 2/3, just to be on the safe side.

 

[Psacha123]

Looks like the Chinese are not happy at all with the LAC deal (and maybe Xi?). This was quickly censored on their SM.
Insightful thread too.


View: https://x.com/aravind/status/1852003178008715425?s=46

 

[GaudaNaresh]

We also have BMP-2s in hundreds and free license to produce more.

My point is not that.

J20 -> 5th Gen
Type 15 -> Best mountain tank
Type 99 -> Best MBT
J10-> Rafale equivalent
PL-15 -> 150km range

Yeah, I will take these claims with a salt mine. A pragmatic approach will be to 1/2 what the Chinese originally claim.

This pov may suit a yankee-centric/nato-centric outlook on PLAAF, but certainly not IAF.
Because even if Chinese maal is 50% as good as it is claimed, we are still screwed : we are facing greater than 5:1 odds against if they bring their full AF to bear. 1 Su-30/Rafale for every 5 J-20/J10 ? yeah, we are screwed. We'd be at best, in the position of 'ze germans' in the battle of kursk. With better maal, but so hopelessly outnumbered that quantity wins.

India cannot begin to take the threat of PLAAF lightly without reaching at least 1:2 parity against them in sheer number of active squadrons.

 

[MasterChief]

View: https://x.com/singhshwetabh71/status/1851953748173602912?s=46

WhAP completely mogged Chinese APC Type 80 in trials conducted by Morocco.

My hypothesis regarding Chinese weapons and quality is correct. It is indeed all hot air. They oversell their capabilities to scare you away, but on the actual battlefield they fail miserably.

something to ponder for all who think China is “light” years ahead of us in technoloy and we are hopeless.

True.. but theycan churn 10 times more than us.. and in an attrition war fought over months sheer numbers will count.. But, increasing exports will help us scale up our manufacturing capacities as well..

 

[Screambowl]

Is there any agreement on paper which has been signed by Indian and the Chinese side that these mutually agreed patrolling points is the demarcation and demarcated LAC?

 

[Blood+]

This pov may suit a yankee-centric/nato-centric outlook on PLAAF, but certainly not IAF.
Because even if Chinese maal is 50% as good as it is claimed, we are still screwed : we are facing greater than 5:1 odds against if they bring their full AF to bear. 1 Su-30/Rafale for every 5 J-20/J10 ? yeah, we are screwed. We'd be at best, in the position of 'ze germans' in the battle of kursk. With better maal, but so hopelessly outnumbered that quantity wins.

India cannot begin to take the threat of PLAAF lightly without reaching at least 1:2 parity against them in sheer number of active squadrons.

Don't forget their J-16s, which are, at least on paper, the most advanced Su-30 variant in service as of now. In fact, I'd wager them to be far more dangerous than J-10s could ever be.

 

[helin]

View: https://x.com/singhshwetabh71/status/1851953748173602912?s=46

WhAP completely mogged Chinese APC Type 80 in trials conducted by Morocco.

My hypothesis regarding Chinese weapons and quality is correct. It is indeed all hot air. They oversell their capabilities to scare you away, but on the actual battlefield they fail miserably.

something to ponder for all who think China is “light” years ahead of us in technoloy and we are hopeless.

Point is they have those in hundreds but we barely have 22 that too ipmv version
Mahindra whap has very dark future
And we are going forward with Strykers

China exports armored vehicle type08?

type80 is a tank model

I haven't seen type80 armored vehicles

One more thing,

The grade of arms technology exported by China must not exceed that used at home.

 

[helin]

Dude, we are talking about a people who burned down their own capitol and carried on fighting till the eventual destruction of the Grand Army!! They will much rather die than capitulate to external pressure, as long as they think they have a shot at winning.

Yeah, they were heroic in World War II,
Soviet losses totaled 29.593 million.

But why should they suffer this sin in 2024, when their youth should be playing ball on the beach, dancing in the ballroom, at home with their wives and sons, not fighting in Ukraine?

 

[Blood+]

Yeah, they were heroic in World War II,
Soviet losses totaled 29.593 million.

But why should they suffer this sin in 2024, when their youth should be playing ball on the beach, dancing in the ballroom, at home with their wives and sons, not fighting in Ukraine?

I never said they SHOULD, but rather what they have historically done!! As long as they think they have a reasonable shot at coming out on top in the end, they will fight and die, even if they don't like it - It's just in their nature, I suppose (and we can clearly see the repeat of the same this time too).

 

[ArjunMK1A]

View: https://x.com/singhshwetabh71/status/1851953748173602912?s=46

WhAP completely mogged Chinese APC Type 80 in trials conducted by Morocco.

My hypothesis regarding Chinese weapons and quality is correct. It is indeed all hot air. They oversell their capabilities to scare you away, but on the actual battlefield they fail miserably.

something to ponder for all who think China is “light” years ahead of us in technoloy and we are hopeless.

If things escalated suddenly today, we will have that WHAP which is earmarked for IPMV in small numbers. The problem is we are not inducting anything to make up the numbers. The only copium is our products were good but still we will not order. Lets say in an worst case scenario we don't know whether TATA/Mahindra can scale the production that much, even the present production is small for both of them since the order size they are getting is very small.

Same scenario is going on with ATAGS, TC-20, Garuda 105mm V2, Dhanush. The order is not here nor the quantity is very small. Chinese on the other hand have massive artillery forces. BF is surviving on Armenian/Middle east orders.

We are sitting wasting time rather then arming ourselves. We are hoping the supply chain will scale up rapidly which is the big IF.

While we are happy that IN is upgrading, Indian Army should have upgraded itself easily since majority of its requirement is already available compared to IAF where the problems are multifold due to dependency on engines and difficulty in manufacturing an Aircrafts by an Private company.

 

[hurrians]

Is there any agreement on paper which has been signed by Indian and the Chinese side that these mutually agreed patrolling points is the demarcation and demarcated LAC?

All these are agreements on "agreements" so that we can agree to have more meetings on agreements that can lead to agreement on border , both sides always agreeing to have such agreements at least since 1950s.

 

[Viper316]

Patrolling resumes in Demchock


View: https://x.com/manishindiatv/status/1852219632544825462t=Bk748BnBc6yRTddVM3pKfA&s=19

 

[RocketMan]

With detente with India ,PLA can now focus it's full might on SCS & Taiwan . Americunts are screwed.

 

[Viper316]

With detente with India ,PLA can now focus it's full might on SCS & Taiwan . Americunts are screwed.

Meanwhile we can pull the majority sources to focus on LOC, BMPs are deliberately deployed in recent CT operation to send a signal to pak army. Next inline artillery firewrks if paxistan continue to breed terrorists.

 

[rockdog]

True.. but theycan churn 10 times more than us.. and in an attrition war fought over months sheer numbers will count.. But, increasing exports will help us scale up our manufacturing capacities as well..

PCL181, fast produced from 2020, around 600 in 5 yrs.

Deployed in Tibet area.

 

[RocketMan]

Meanwhile we can pull the majority sources to focus on LOC, BMPs are deliberately deployed in recent CT operation to send a signal to pak army. Next inline artillery firewrks if paxistan continue to breed terrorists.

Porkistan should be broken up & artificial famine & complete blockade should be imposed to reduce it's jihadi awam . Gaza 2.0 . Nuke this cancer from the face of the earth .

 

[daya]

Neither did I.

My point was very simple. India had established 65 patrolling points to ensure presence along OUR understanding of LAC (in red, which is quite a bit beyond the LAC you're used to seeing on international maps) access to 26 of which was blocked in 2020... A very simple question. How many of them we've regains access to? No more than 6 by my present understanding. You're welcome to prove me wrong. But until then it means that we've made no solid gains & the "buffer" areas mostly lie on our understanding of LAC even if it's only the Chinese are the ones pulling back, because they were originally on the west side of the red line enforcing the black-dotted LAC line! Which it isn't, because both are moving back. That's worse.

What have we conceded?.. we've let them in areas previously in our sole control to try to do another Galwan after 10 years.

I predicted exactly this even before these recent news were out. SO HOW WAS I WRONG?
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We should be refusing to disengage until they moved back to 1959 pre-war seperation line (in blue) rejecting to recognise any line established by violence against us.

For this, one needs will power... neither does have... Political and Military leadership... as simple..

 

[Nutcracker]

China exports armored vehicle type08?

type80 is a tank model

I haven't seen type80 armored vehicles

One more thing,

The grade of arms technology exported by China must not exceed that used at home.

It's translated from Arabic script(left to right) so 08 might've came out as 80.

 

[Illusive]

I wonder how many months before the next salami slice by chinks. I give it 4 months

Every time the scale and intensity will be increased significantly. India should definitely prepare for swarm drone tactics. In future the airforce will be tested to just like how they do with Taiwan.

 

[Screambowl]

All these are agreements on "agreements" so that we can agree to have more meetings on agreements that can lead to agreement on border , both sides always agreeing to have such agreements at least since 1950s.

So the Canada diplomatic row and the Taiwan issues has prompted both to come to a temporary mutual understanding that pull back now settle later.