Indo Pak Border & LOC

Aur inhe POK chahiye…

Jumlebaazi me humara aur pakistanio ka koi jawab hi nhi he!!
No sane person in india wants pok, it's filled with pisslamist pakjabis and like a million terrorists. Our goal should be to be hold as much of unpopulated area and high points in the region.

Getting all of pok is not only impossible but also stupid. India will lose support on global stage if we go for annexation, meanwhile using terrorists activity as a excuse to launch and occupy vantage points is better.
 
No sane person in india wants pok, it's filled with pisslamist pakjabis and like a million terrorists. Our goal should be to be hold as much of unpopulated area and high points in the region.

Getting all of pok is not only impossible but also stupid. India will lose support on global stage if we go for annexation, meanwhile using terrorists activity as a excuse to launch and occupy vantage points is better.


POK will be annexed by throwing out the population.

How to we do?

Maybe Psyops.
 
Reality is we should have tried to take back PoK, back in 1947, that was our only window. since then they have settled million of pakjabis and native kashmiri population has been reduced to very small %. They will never join india even if pakistan goes to absolute shit. Militarily keeping an population of 5.5 million pigs, most of which are armed or will get armed, would require nothing less than austrian painter methods, which is not possible in modern times. We need to give up on taking back PoK and focus more on gaining geographical advantage on LOC.
 
The most realistic question, no one has answered it and no one will.
Everything can be achieved if you're at the right time in the right place. Expelling 5.5 million vs nearly 20 million possibly more exchanging countries with nearly 1-2 million deaths during partition especially when you consider the fact that both Punjabs were totally cleansed of its minorities.

How do you think that was achieved ?
 
Everything can be achieved if you're at the right time in the right place. Expelling 5.5 million vs nearly 20 million possibly more exchanging countries with nearly 1-2 million deaths during partition especially when you consider the fact that both Punjabs were totally cleansed of its minorities.

How do you think that was achieved ?
If we get a ww3 level conflict, I'm sure we will be able to send pakjabi packing to "la whore" but that is very farfetched idea.
 
If we get a ww3 level conflict, I'm sure we will be able to send pakjabi packing to "la whore" but that is very farfetched idea.
That time is fast approaching but I doubt we'd be able to capitalise on it. We'd have other bigger problems to attend to . However if we emerge relatively unscathed , we'd get the opportunity to do exactly that , for the new world order isn't going to be anything like we're seeing today.
 
That time is fast approaching but I doubt we'd be able to capitalise on it. We'd have other bigger problems to attend to . However if we emerge relatively unscathed , we'd get the opportunity to do exactly that , for the new world order isn't going to be anything like we're seeing today.
Our fauj rn, can't fight a 2 front war, no matter what we pretend. We can take on Pakistan alone fairly easily but China getting involved will throw our leadership off balance. Himalayas is literally our best line of defense against chinks and the fact that our population and logistics centers are close to front with china than vice-versa.

Babus and generals playing ping-pong with procurement, cucked political class and somewhat decent economy, ww3 level conflict we will require robust war economy, do we have that capacity ? I'd say no.
This isn't a doom post. India is doing quite good , but if our goal is to take back PoK then we're doing nowhere enough .
 
War means displacement, all 5.5 million will not be going to sit there when IA come. Most of them move out from the impending Army. Remaining will try to stay here. General Psyops like wolf is coming, wolf is coming will work.
to threaten them enough to the point where general pop will be forced to move will require absolutely massive scale invasion , practically unlimited ammo, huge amounts of missiles, equipment and troops to fight in mountains. and most of important point, air superiority, and you know state of our Air force atm. it is going to extremely difficult to advance in those mountains without air support, offensive into more populated area (ajk) will slow down our forces significantly.

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Look at all those mountains in between Kargil and Skardu. Tell me how without proper gear and air support any army is going to not only invade but also hold that area. it is will be a logistical nightmare, keep in mind we're running out of 155mm shells back in Kargil 1999 itself. that situation has improved by now. mountain warfare heavily favors defenders , we will lose a bunch of troops , how will that reflect domestically ?
 
Everything can be achieved if you're at the right time in the right place. Expelling 5.5 million vs nearly 20 million possibly more exchanging countries with nearly 1-2 million deaths during partition especially when you consider the fact that both Punjabs were totally cleansed of its minorities.

How do you think that was achieved ?
It was the 50s, world order didn't exist than. Something like a mass scale exodus or genocide is not happening ever again, at least not in Indian subcontinent. Our own courts, janata and military will oppose it.

Better we ditch the POK plan and forcus of Aksai chin which is actually salvageable.
Salami slicing over next few decades like China..Thatshow!!
Salami slicing with over 3 million peope residing in Gligit Balistan who will refuse to move.

How will you force those guys out.
Maybe a few will run away but do you people just abandon there home like that?
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It was the 50s, world order didn't exist than. Something like a mass scale exodus or genocide is not happening ever again, at least not in Indian subcontinent. Our own courts, janata and military will oppose it.

Better we ditch the POK plan and forcus of Aksai chin which is actually salvageable.

Salami slicing with over 3 million peope residing in Gligit Balistan who will refuse to move.

How will you force those guys out.
Maybe a few will run away but do you people just abandon there home like that?
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In 1965 war in Jammu sector lakhs of people ran away after Pakistani Army pushed India back.
 
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It was the 50s, world order didn't exist than. Something like a mass scale exodus or genocide is not happening ever again, at least not in Indian subcontinent. Our own courts, janata and military will oppose it.

Better we ditch the POK plan and forcus of Aksai chin which is actually salvageable.

Salami slicing with over 3 million peope residing in Gligit Balistan who will refuse to move.

How will you force those guys out.
Maybe a few will run away but do you people just abandon there home like that?
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parts of POK can be taken but many parts of it are gone forever due to simply being too demographically disadvantageous for us, if UN tries to force an referendum , we would be trouble. better to take over vantages points and strategic locations and many uninhabited areas.
 
In 1965 war in Jammu sector millions lakhs of people ran away after Pakistani Army pushed India back.
Million lakhs isn't all is it?
People today are aware that no military can harm them even if they capture the land and pakistan militray will advice them to hold ground.
Even most Ukrainian didn't runaway when rus invaded, do you see the precedence?
 
Million lakhs isn't all is it?
People today are aware that no military can harm them even if they capture the land and pakistan militray will advice them to hold ground.
Even most Ukrainian didn't runaway when rus invaded, do you see the precedence?
The ideal way is to do it by salami slicing by using artillery.

Or quit jumlebaazi.

Later is the better option in my opinion as it will never happen.
 
It was the 50s, world order didn't exist than. Something like a mass scale exodus or genocide is not happening ever again, at least not in Indian subcontinent. Our own courts, janata and military will oppose it.

Better we ditch the POK plan and forcus of Aksai chin which is actually salvageable.

You really surprise me at times. Back in the 90s Fukuyama came up with the end of history & the last man . The west won the Cold War. That was the biggest existential threat to the world . Nobody thought they'd survive that period for mutual paranoia ruled. Nobody expected it to end in a whimper. Yet it did.

Hence Fukuyama wrote the end of history & the last man. To him & many like him there'd never be an existential threat again from totalitarianism & western enlightenment & liberalism having won would rule the day with the entire world accepting it . (Of course I'm greatly simplifying his theory) .

Yet here we are on the cusp of another great war.

We're not ditching anything , neither Aksai Chin nor PoJ&K. We'd take them at a time of our choosing. We've waited 500 years for Ayodhya & have experienced enslavement for a millenium. What's 75-100 years ?! A speck on windscreen of time.



Salami slicing with over 3 million peope residing in Gligit Balistan who will refuse to move.

How will you force those guys out.
Maybe a few will run away but do you people just abandon there home like that?
I
 
Our fauj rn, can't fight a 2 front war, no matter what we pretend. We can take on Pakistan alone fairly easily but China getting involved will throw our leadership off balance. Himalayas is literally our best line of defense against chinks and the fact that our population and logistics centers are close to front with china than vice-versa.

I clearly stated we'd have bigger problems than PoJ&K to tackle at the moment & if we "emerge relatively unscathed ," we'd be entering into a very different world which obviously entails a new world order.

This means at the moment our most clear & present danger is China. Once we sort them out & " emerge relatively unscathed , " we'd be among the powers at the high table to work out a new world order.

It's only after that we can take a closer look at Paxtan.

Babus and generals playing ping-pong with procurement, cucked political class and somewhat decent economy, ww3 level conflict we will require robust war economy, do we have that capacity ? I'd say no.
There'd be a WW but unlike the previous two this would involve multiple players in multiple theaters , where one theatre wouldn't necessarily see the same dramitis personae as the others.

This isn't a doom post. India is doing quite good , but if our goal is to take back PoK then we're doing nowhere enough .
All good things to those who wait.
 

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