LCA TEJAS MK-I & MK-IA: News and Discussion

[fire starter]

SHM on tejas.

 

[Azaad]

View: https://youtu.be/oMQzB66PXzQ?si=3RF3sUYJCKepbpK4


View: https://youtu.be/s98YTg6BH8Q?si=qqW-I-AKg5Mjh7Um

Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd. Orders 99 F404s for Tejas Light Combat Aircraft | GE Aerospace News

www.geaerospace.com

All said & done , the question remains - if the order for 99 nos GE - 404 was placed in Aug 21 how come no alarms were raised till the end of last year on the delay in delivery of these TFs ?

 

[Patriot]

View: https://youtu.be/oMQzB66PXzQ?si=3RF3sUYJCKepbpK4


View: https://youtu.be/s98YTg6BH8Q?si=qqW-I-AKg5Mjh7Um

Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd. Orders 99 F404s for Tejas Light Combat Aircraft | GE Aerospace News

www.geaerospace.com

All said & done , the question remains - if the order for 99 nos GE - 404 was placed in Aug 21 how come no alarms were raised till the end of last year on the delay in delivery of these TFs ?

IAF flags concern over delay in new Tejas LCA​

IAF- flagged the hot-button issue to plane maker Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL), calling for timely execution of the ₹48,000-crore contract for 83 jets, senior IAF officers aware of the matter said on Thursday.


The media game started by Hindustan Times leftist media by quoting some IAF officers. And they are targeting HAL.

Just waiting which politician makes a statement on this first.

 

[Azaad]

IAF flags concern over delay in new Tejas LCA​

IAF- flagged the hot-button issue to plane maker Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL), calling for timely execution of the ₹48,000-crore contract for 83 jets, senior IAF officers aware of the matter said on Thursday.


The media game started by Hindustan Times leftist media by quoting some IAF officers. And they are targeting HAL.

Just waiting which politician makes a statement on this first.

Reports suggest supplies will resume by September. However whether these supplies are adequate for HAL to fulfill its committed yearly target is not clear. HAL seems to suggest it is. Time will tell. Quite frankly neither HAL nor Indian media inspire much confidence.

 

[Vishnugupt]

View: https://youtu.be/oMQzB66PXzQ?si=3RF3sUYJCKepbpK4


View: https://youtu.be/s98YTg6BH8Q?si=qqW-I-AKg5Mjh7Um

Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd. Orders 99 F404s for Tejas Light Combat Aircraft | GE Aerospace News

www.geaerospace.com

All said & done , the question remains - if the order for 99 nos GE - 404 was placed in Aug 21 how come no alarms were raised till the end of last year on the delay in delivery of these TFs ?

Alarm was there all the time. But you have to take risk in order to fly Tejas

 

[Physx32]

PSUs are petrified of doing anything that even borderline illegal.

Not petrified but completely barred by the central government. If anything illegal is found, vigilance department will make the employee's life like hell.

Instead of blaming DPSUs, ask GoI to change their policies.

 

[shauryaman65]

View: https://youtu.be/oMQzB66PXzQ?si=3RF3sUYJCKepbpK4


View: https://youtu.be/s98YTg6BH8Q?si=qqW-I-AKg5Mjh7Um

Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd. Orders 99 F404s for Tejas Light Combat Aircraft | GE Aerospace News

www.geaerospace.com

All said & done , the question remains - if the order for 99 nos GE - 404 was placed in Aug 21 how come no alarms were raised till the end of last year on the delay in delivery of these TFs ?

it seems they have priority customers xd

 

[125mm_Smoothbore]

it seems they have priority customers xd

Always had

 

[Azaad]

Not petrified but completely barred by the central government. If anything illegal is found, vigilance department will make the employee's life like hell.

Instead of blaming DPSUs, ask GoI to change their policies.

Well if that's the case how're we carrying out the MKI upgradation / modernisation indigenously ? Who's issued the directives & on what basis ?

Surely the MoD & the IAF wouldn't back indigenous upgradation without those key elements developed in house which in turn begs the question who asked them to develop it in house ?

 

[Physx32]

Well if that's the case how're we carrying out the MKI upgradation / modernisation indigenously ? Who's issued the directives & on what basis ?

Surely the MoD & the IAF wouldn't back indigenous upgradation without those key elements developed in house which in turn begs the question who asked them to develop it in house ?

HAL surely has directives from MoD to carry to the turbofan upgrades. In cases like these, DPSUs won't do any reverse engineering/upgrades unless directed by the senior MoD baboo.

 

[Azaad]

HAL surely has directives from MoD to carry to the turbofan upgrades. In cases like these, DPSUs won't do any reverse engineering/upgrades unless directed by the senior MoD baboo.

There's a long list of such endeavours we've undertaken right since the establishment of the DRDO which has always been part of their mandate as in the early days that's what they were tasked to do viz : that's how we've fine tuned the Akash & are now coming out with various variants of it. The list goes on .

Along the way there are setbacks as well like the MPATGM which is the reason Javelins are back in contention. Apparently DRDO can't reduce the weight enough to the end user's satisfaction.

Another case in point is the ATAGS where the DRDO over specced the product with no participation by / consultation with the IA in the preliminary phase . By the time IA got involved they were saddled with a product which went beyond their specified weightage. Rewind to Arjun . In comes ATHOS / Adani. We know where this one is headed.

 

[angryindian]

OH please. Same babu company managed to refine and iterate on the titanium forging process over what the Russians had given us, reducing wastage by several folds.

The same company managed to fix a weakness in Jaguar landing gear when the initial SKD kits were being assembled, which BAe then copied without informing which led to a lawsuit which the brits then settled out of court.

Same company is able to manufacture Dhruvs at a rate that exceeds the capacity of the three services to absorb.

This is not an achievement. Every company does and expected to do some minor innovations. My senior developed an entire image processing system for which he got a patent.

Meanwhile, our principle enemy is manufacturing 5th-generation fighters and cutting-edge ships like hotcakes whereas LCA MK1A has already been delayed by 5 months and MK 2 will take another 2 years for the first flight.

When the enemy is at your throat, you just can't say we fixed the landing gear of jaguars.

 

[705-Lira]

Reports suggest supplies will resume by September. However whether these supplies are adequate for HAL to fulfill its committed yearly target is not clear. HAL seems to suggest it is. Time will tell. Quite frankly neither HAL nor Indian media inspire much confidence.

HAL does have a plan B in place to equip the first lot of Tejas Mk1A with Category B (reserve) F404 engines, but then again there is going to be underlying risk with this approach since it's not clearly known if these engines are new or have already had accumulated some flight hours.

 

[Azaad]

HAL does have a plan B in place to equip the first lot of Tejas Mk1A with Category B (reserve) F404 engines, but then again there is going to be underlying risk with this approach since it's not clearly known if these engines are new or have already had accumulated some flight hours.

According to the video I've linked there are < 12 such TFs held in reserve. I don't think HAL will utilise more than 3-4 nos. Frankly not even that much as the supplies are due to commence in September. Let's see how many we get then .

 

[Binayak95]

This is not an achievement. Every company does and expected to do some minor innovations. My senior developed an entire image processing system for which he got a patent.

Meanwhile, our principle enemy is manufacturing 5th-generation fighters and cutting-edge ships like hotcakes whereas LCA MK1A has already been delayed by 5 months and MK 2 will take another 2 years for the first flight.

When the enemy is at your throat, you just can't say we fixed the landing gear of jaguars.

Fifth gen fighters and cutting edge ships.


Yeah right.
The only thing I can say of chini mfg is they have the quantity down.

Quality oth... Yeah

 

[angryindian]

Fifth gen fighters and cutting edge ships.


Yeah right.
The only thing I can say of chini mfg is they have the quantity down.

Quality oth... Yeah

It is not our job to question the build quality of Chinese weapons. Our job is to prepare as per threat perception. Have you forgotten that last time around their army was only 900 kilometers from Kolkata?

They have already gobbled up huge swathes of Bhutanese territory, some very close to the chicken's neck. They have also begun building bases in the area and deployed J-20 5th-generation fighters close to the Indian border.

 

[haldilal]

 

[Anants]

Fifth gen fighters and cutting edge ships.


Yeah right.
The only thing I can say of chini mfg is they have the quantity down.

Quality oth... Yeah

Not to mention even if we were to believe that Chinese are desiging 5th 6th gen, every Tom dick and harry knows they achieved the same by exactly manufacturing 1:1 copies of soviet western (often obselete) equipment for dog years. What they atleast achieved with this exercise is productionizing capability. Desiging something is achilees heel but productioning something after establishing supply chain infra is another beast at whole different level. Thats why DRDO projects often looked more of PhD and Post Doc exercise in the past.

Khana banana bhi banda kisi ko copy kar ke hi sikhta hai. There should atleast no shame in import substitution of components.

 

[MirageBlue]

HAL is not a smart body, just a babu company. Otherwise company which manufacturing AL engines for so many years can do reverse engineering and build new engine.

Nonsense. This is what happens when people don't understand the difference between DESIGNING an engine and assembling an engine under license.

Even Hanhwa Aerospace has been ASSEMBLING GE F-404-102 engines for well over a decade for the T50, T-A-50 and FA-50 series of fighters. In addition, they also produce parts of the F-404 and F-414 engine under license from GE. And now they're looking to assemble the full F-414 engine.

There is a big difference between assembling an engine or producing some of its parts versus designing an engine or reverse engineering an engine. Firstly, the contract will stipulate that by stealing IPR, which is what reverse engineering does, you are breaking the contract. Secondly, good luck trying to get any company to partner with you when you're known as a company that doesn't respect others IPR. Thirdly, the key technologies related to core parts are not shared, and the other technologies for non core parts are already there in India in the Kaveri engine.

After having assembled hundreds of F-404 engines and now assembling F-414 engines, South Korea and Hanhwa Aerospace is now targeting to design and build their own engine which they are targeting to have ready by late 2030s.

 

[TopWatcher]

Nonsense. This is what happens when people don't understand the difference between DESIGNING an engine and assembling an engine under license.

Even Hanhwa Aerospace has been ASSEMBLING GE F-404-102 engines for well over a decade for the T50, T-A-50 and FA-50 series of fighters. In addition, they also produce parts of the F-404 and F-414 engine under license from GE. And now they're looking to assemble the full F-414 engine.

There is a big difference between assembling an engine or producing some of its parts versus designing an engine or reverse engineering an engine. Firstly, the contract will stipulate that by stealing IPR, which is what reverse engineering does, you are breaking the contract. Secondly, good luck trying to get any company to partner with you when you're known as a company that doesn't respect others IPR. Thirdly, the key technologies related to core parts are not shared, and the other technologies for non core parts are already there in India in the Kaveri engine.

After having assembled hundreds of F-404 engines and now assembling F-414 engines, South Korea and Hanhwa Aerospace is now targeting to design and build their own engine which they are targeting to have ready by late 2030s.

Here I m talking about smartness. I m sure if company is of Chinese origin or US origin, they uptill now done a reverse .