LCA TEJAS MK-I & MK-IA: News and Discussion

[Azaad]

View: https://twitter.com/AdithyaKM_/status/1871811617991913751?s=19


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Delays in induction on account of IAF asking HAL to certify new systems on board the Mk-1a

 

[shade2]

View: https://twitter.com/AdithyaKM_/status/1871811617991913751?s=19


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Delays in induction on account of IAF asking HAL to certify new systems on board the Mk-1a

GE could start delivering engines tomorrow but then the Air Marshals will put out some more systems and weapons to be integrated, moon and mars trials and tests to be done etc

Then complain Tejas delivery is delayed, declining squadron nos, emergency procoor F16 or Rafale saar

 

[E-195]

HAL to start trial of new Tejas fighter jet in January next year​

ByRahul Singh
Dec 25, 2024 04:50 AM IST

The first few LCA Mk-1As are expected to be delivered to the IAF with reserve engines that will be replaced with the F404s as and when GE begins supplying them.​

https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/hal-to-start-trial-of-new-tejas-fighter-jet-in-january-next-year-101735068257239.html

 

[vampyrbladez]

Based on information regarding the status of the Tejas MK1A, the following can be discerned :

1) GE is producing the GE F-404 IN20 engine (84.5 KN) once again at their Massachusetts facility and supply line issues seem to have been resolved.



2) While the first engine is to be rolled out, US has offered to supply GE F-404 102/103 (78.9 KN) as a stopgap measure which is exactly what HAL intends to use to deliver the first examples to IAF.


View: https://x.com/alpha_defense/status/1872168779029114887

3) After the news of engine supply resumption, IAF is seen as more willing to proceed with the 97 follow on orders for the Tejas MK1A and has sent the RFP to HAL for the same.

https://idrw.org/iaf-advances-with-...ian Air Force (IAF,Tejas Mark-1A fighter jets.

 

[Azaad]

Based on information regarding the status of the Tejas MK1A, the following can be discerned :

1) GE is producing the GE F-404 IN20 engine (84.5 KN) once again at their Massachusetts facility and supply line issues seem to have been resolved.

View attachment 19721

2) While the first engine is to be rolled out, US has offered to supply GE F-404 102/103 (78.9 KN) as a stopgap measure which is exactly what HAL intends to use to deliver the first examples to IAF.


View: https://x.com/alpha_defense/status/1872168779029114887

3) After the news of engine supply resumption, IAF is seen as more willing to proceed with the 97 follow on orders for the Tejas MK1A and has sent the RFP to HAL for the same.

https://idrw.org/iaf-advances-with-rfp-for-97-additional-tejas-mark-1a-jets-to-hal/#:~:text=The Indian Air Force (IAF,Tejas Mark-1A fighter jets.

IMO the reason GE isn't committing to a firm delivery date & quantities is coz the same line also caters to RoK ( although RoK has its own assembly line , certain parts are sourced from GE ) apart from the trainer jet program for the USAF IIRC which is due to go online shortly.

On their list of priorities we come last . Unless they haven't communicated a firm delivery time schedule to the other two & gotten them on board they won't commit anything to us . What's more we're aware of this discriminatory treatment but can't do much about it .

Rest assured GE has the capacity to make up for the delays in delivery but the crux of the issue is the time it'd take. We can't have a situation where in the first two years beginning today (of whatever is left in this FY) they deliver 10-12 & dump 30 odd nos in the 3rd year which is a likely scenario . No clue how prepared HAL is to deal with it.

 

[vampyrbladez]

IMO the reason GE isn't committing to a firm delivery date & quantities is coz the same line also caters to RoK ( although RoK has its own assembly line , certain parts are sourced from GE ) apart from the trainer jet program for the USAF IIRC which is due to go online shortly.

On their list of priorities we come last . Unless they haven't communicated a firm delivery time schedule to the other two & gotten them on board they won't commit anything to us . What's more we're aware of this discriminatory treatment but can't do much about it .

Rest assured GE has the capacity to make up for the delays in delivery but the crux of the issue is the time it'd take. We can't have a situation where in the first two years beginning today (of whatever is left in this FY) they deliver 10-12 & dump 30 odd nos in the 3rd year which is a likely scenario . No clue how prepared HAL is to deal with it.

This line was restarted recently and was closed for several years.

The ROK produces its own GE F404 engines.

For the long term wee should aggressively develop the Kaveri engine (Dry Engine - Godrej and Afterburner - BrahMos) which we are doing at the moment.

 

[Azaad]

This line was restarted recently and was closed for several years.

The ROK produces its own GE F404 engines.

does RoK manufacture GE F-404 TurboFan - Google Search

It assembles the F-404 TF & produces few parts . Critical components are sourced from GE. Long short story - it's somewhat similar to the agreement we'd be signing with GE for the assembly of the F-414 TF with mfg of MOST of the parts done locally out here except for a few critical components .

Hence in this respect our agreement with GE has more depth to it unlike the agreement GE signed with RoK.

For the long term wee should aggressively develop the Kaveri engine (Dry Engine - Godrej and Afterburner - BrahMos) which we are doing at the moment.

 

[londonparistokyo]

The stopgap will become a permagap. You have to understand how Americans think. They don't want India to have a 67% indigenous airplane when the F21 is still on the table.

 

[Srinivas]

The stopgap will become a permagap. You have to understand how Americans think. They don't want India to have a 67% indigenous airplane when the F21 is still on the table.

To start with India only need engine from GE for stop gap only. Kaveri is progressing well.

 

[Spitfire IX]

A Tejas meeting IAF specification would have come 25+ years late if it had been delivered by April 2024. This talk of scrapping the programme because it looks to be delayed for another 6 months or a year is ridiculous to me.

Talking about Kaveri progressing well in relation to Tejas, when is it due to be certified? How long after that to be in production? How long after that to be fitted to production Tejas?

 

[Bleh]

Based on information regarding the status of the Tejas MK1A, the following can be discerned :

1) GE is producing the GE F-404 IN20 engine (84.5 KN) once again at their Massachusetts facility and supply line issues seem to have been resolved.

View attachment 19721

2) While the first engine is to be rolled out, US has offered to supply GE F-404 102/103 (78.9 KN) as a stopgap measure which is exactly what HAL intends to use to deliver the first examples to IAF.


View: https://x.com/alpha_defense/status/1872168779029114887

3) After the news of engine supply resumption, IAF is seen as more willing to proceed with the 97 follow on orders for the Tejas MK1A and has sent the RFP to HAL for the same.

https://idrw.org/iaf-advances-with-rfp-for-97-additional-tejas-mark-1a-jets-to-hal/#:~:text=The Indian Air Force (IAF,Tejas Mark-1A fighter jets.

If they're planning on shutting down F404 lines then we might as well get a ToT for it like we did for RD-33 & AL-31FP.

 

[pipebomb]

If they're planning on shutting down F404 lines then we might as well get a ToT for it like we did for RD-33 & AL-31FP.

You think Kaveri(or whatever it's called now) won't be ready for mid life overhaul of mk1 & mk1a ?

 

[AbRaj]

If they're planning on shutting down F404 lines then we might as well get a ToT for it like we did for RD-33 & AL-31FP.

What’s the point of wasting money in the name pf TOTI and assembly locally at overprice and then again asking for TOTI of another engine to do the same ?
Is their anything they have gained from all the TONTIs they have done for engines, fighter jets, submarines etc ?

 

[Blademaster]

What’s the point of wasting money in the name pf TOTI and assembly locally at overprice and then again asking for TOTI of another engine to do the same ?
Is their anything they have gained from all the TONTIs they have done for engines, fighter jets, submarines etc ?

Ensuring local supply of spare parts to keep your weapons working and not facing threats of sanctions.

 

[Bleh]

You think Kaveri(or whatever it's called now) won't be ready for mid life overhaul of mk1 & mk1a ?

Doesn't matter. We need the smooth supply of F404 engines now. We'll be making 180 LCAs till 2030

 

[Anants]

To start with India only need engine from GE for stop gap only. Kaveri is progressing well.

There is no Kaveri sanctioned for mK 2. and as I said in DFI sometime back IIRC. Unless govt decides start pumping tons of monies in Kaveri and and Gas Turbines testing capacity building like now - otherwise don't expect situation to be much different from now even after 10 years later.

 

[shade2]

There is no Kaveri sanctioned for mK 2. and as I said in DFI sometime back IIRC. Unless govt decides start pumping now in Kaveri and and Gas Turbines testing capacity building like now - otherwise don't expect situation to be much different from now even after 10 years later.

Maine suna
Till GE F414 TOnTi deal is not complete
They will not release funds for Tejas Mk2 prototype and other "hard" developments

Desh ka kuch nahi ho sakta and it will be worst once the reservation and freebie-khor voters of this country throw out the Priest King's govt.

 

[Azaad]

There is no Kaveri sanctioned for mK 2. and as I said in DFI sometime back IIRC. Unless govt decides start pumping now in Kaveri and and Gas Turbines testing capacity building like now - otherwise don't expect situation to be much different from now even after 10 years later.

I think the GoI is waiting for the tests of the Kaveri K-10 which is under construction . It's safe to say that even if it clears the preliminary tests which is satisfying all the test parameters , we're going to see a Kaveri - II program targeting F-414 tech specs.

We can also say that IF everything goes right the MLU of the LCA Mk-1 / Mk-1a / Mk-2 , AMCA Mk-1 & TEDBF will see Kaveri TFs powering it.

 

[Anants]

I think the GoI is waiting for the tests of the Kaveri K-10 which is under construction . It's safe to say that even if it clears the preliminary tests which is satisfying all the test parameters , we're going to see a Kaveri - II program targeting F-414 tech specs.

Safe to say that IF everything goes right the MLU of the LCA Mk-1 / Mk-1a / Mk-2 , AMCA Mk-1 & TEDBF will see Kaveri TFs powering it.

Govt is same wait and watch mode man for last 20 years. Testing facilities are needed like now to collect data and make on time progress. Unless running to Russia, France and aamerica for testing and blowing monies there seem similar to moog import scene isnpite of local alternative available? Or no one's want preodic onsite opportunity to go away?

 

[Blademaster]

I think the GoI is waiting for the tests of the Kaveri K-10 which is under construction . It's safe to say that even if it clears the preliminary tests which is satisfying all the test parameters , we're going to see a Kaveri - II program targeting F-414 tech specs.

We can also say that IF everything goes right the MLU of the LCA Mk-1 / Mk-1a / Mk-2 , AMCA Mk-1 & TEDBF will see Kaveri TFs powering it.

Fingers crossed!!!!!!