Modernisation of Indian Army Infantry

[Unknowncommando]

Can anyone tell me why in the name of Shri Maha Vishnu IA Cannot even to this day wrap helmets in the same camo pattern as their new uniform which is nearly 2 years old now ? I mean wtf are gernails smoking ? Why no accountability? Every soldier in this photo will standout like an orange doll on a black bkgd. What is the use of camo uniform if you can't ensure uniformity ? Disband the uniform altogether then...

IA never asked MKU to wrap the helmets in standard camo. Instead MKU delivered them in their own IA 1990's leaf pattern in Brown shade. Only a few Battalions RR & Reserve took it seriously and removed the MKU wraps but majority still have those covers in Brown, Jungle MARPAT, SURPAT or WOODLAND etc. patterns.

 

[Ayan Barat]

IA never asked MKU to wrap the helmets in standard camo.

In India the currently active camouflage patterns come under restricted items and is legally treated like a weapon.
Only government owned PSUs have the license to make it.

 

[RDXChauhan]

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Damm its embarrassing we don't have any worth mounting on sig716
No don't bother comparing optel one with other i kind of doesn't exept much good results for optel

What about those Mepro 6X scopes that are seen with Garuds. They can be used?
Afterall the Israeli lobby is strong

 

[username unkown]

What about those Mepro 6X scopes that are seen with Garuds. They can be used?
Afterall the Israeli lobby is strong
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Yes they can be used

 

[Hari Sud]

A U-Tube worth revising for self confidence and about India's military capabilities


View: https://youtu.be/5HiZrd2KB9g

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

View: https://x.com/niks_1985/status/1845648501075578928?s=46

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

View: https://x.com/milo97127142/status/1845764204688515528?s=46

 

[Tier 1 Patriot]

Asmi

 

[VictorDelta4]

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Let me guess.. they are going to run this naked as well? wasn't the Rds a part of the LML package?

 

[BlackViking]

Let me guess.. they are going to run this naked as well? wasn't the Rds a part of the LML package?

Users are testing them with RDS, LAMs and flashlights but it's still optional as per tenders. Also I think these accessories may not have been budgeted for the tenders (that's why optional).

 

[Unknowncommando]

CGRL M4

 

[Ayan Barat]

Para SF in Kashmir (PC TacticalKafir)

This image is very very important. It may hold even more relevance in a wishful future.

Whenever "we" make a hue and cry about the pathetic condition of our forces and draw parallels with their foreign contemporaries; always remember THIS EXACT PICTURE OF THIS GRUNT IS WHAT WE ARE ASKING.

Fanbois and even some veterans are quick in defending the current mediocrity by all kind of absurd justifications; our jawans even in Patkha are more capable than Delta guys, Americans need mineral water, helmets hampers airflow - body armour hampers movement, kits are extremely expensive and what not.

But we never asked to become a North Korean commando with night vision binoculars in daylight and 90rd helical magazine in Kalashnikov.
This is what we ask

• A soldier who's is well informed about what's going on with him. Like wearing decent gloves instead of some Chinese biker gloves that can mess up ergonomics. Or how to properly wear gears like balaclava. The knowledge of eye relief and line of sight.
This point is grossly overlooked but trust me, it's perhaps one of the root cause of all following points.
• An uniformity in the camouflage. Mixing and matching different camouflage defeats the very besic purpose of a camo.
• Good quality helmets with modularity. We don't want to issue NVGs to each Chap, but we want every single one of them to have the capability to mount one if the need arises.
• A clean, minimalist vest set-up. Starting from a perfectly adjusted plate carrier that actually covers your vitals instead of your belly to good quality para-cord equipped quick access pouches instead of those flap lid ones.
• A decent optical sight. Anything...ACOG, RDS + Magnifier, LPVO or even just a RDS...but a sight should be there on every single rifle.

This pic is also in no way perfect in comparison to the contemporaries; there's no EyePro or EarPro, proper comms, the optics can be way better.
But perhaps the biggest blackpill of all is that this is THE Tier-1 force we have, our Delta Force counterpart. But we should start somewhere.

-Brain rot yapping ends-

 

[IWIarad11]

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Para SF in Kashmir (PC TacticalKafir)
View attachment 12547
This image is very very important. It may hold even more relevance in a wishful future.

Whenever "we" make a hue and cry about the pathetic condition of our forces and draw parallels with their foreign contemporaries; always remember THIS EXACT PICTURE OF THIS GRUNT IS WHAT WE ARE ASKING.

Fanbois and even some veterans are quick in defending the current mediocrity by all kind of absurd justifications; our jawans even in Patkha are more capable than Delta guys, Americans need mineral water, helmets hampers airflow - body armour hampers movement, kits are extremely expensive and what not.

But we never asked to become a North Korean commando with night vision binoculars in daylight and 90rd helical magazine in Kalashnikov.
This is what we ask

• A soldier who's is well informed about what's going on with him. Like wearing decent gloves instead of some Chinese biker gloves that can mess up ergonomics. Or how to properly wear gears like balaclava. The knowledge of eye relief and line of sight.
This point is grossly overlooked but trust me, it's perhaps one of the root cause of all following points.
• An uniformity in the camouflage. Mixing and matching different camouflage defeats the very besic purpose of a camo.
• Good quality helmets with modularity. We don't want to issue NVGs to each Chap, but we want every single one of them to have the capability to mount one if the need arises.
• A clean, minimalist vest set-up. Starting from a perfectly adjusted plate carrier that actually covers your vitals instead of your belly to good quality para-cord equipped quick access pouches instead of those flap lid ones.
• A decent optical sight. Anything...ACOG, RDS + Magnifier, LPVO or even just a RDS...but a sight should be there on every single rifle.

This pic is also in no way perfect in comparison to the contemporaries; there's no EyePro or EarPro, proper comms, the optics can be way better.
But perhaps the biggest blackpill of all is that this is THE Tier-1 force we have, our Delta Force counterpart. But we should start somewhere.

-Brain rot yapping ends-

The unit in the picture has Harris SDRs, in ear Silynx comms and Oakley Ballistic eyepros too. Optic meh kya kharab hai - just curious (plz tell me the cons)

 

[vampyrbladez]

View: https://x.com/2805662/status/1846664126351004011

BTW India has purchased 145,400 Sig 716i for around $200 million.

 

[Ayan Barat]

View: https://x.com/2805662/status/1846664126351004011

BTW India has purchased 145,400 Sig 716i for around $200 million.

There's a huge difference between participating in a trial where you beat 7-8 competitors to win it and a "aur bhai, rifle kaise diye? Kar do pack dedh lakh" order.

Goras have a bit higher threshold of feeling proud as compared to us.
Beating the reigning champion of handgun, Glock to win the M17 competition is something worth mentioning, not that weird over the counter two-tranche order to India.

 

[Ayan Barat]

The unit in the picture has Harris SDRs, in ear Silynx comms and Oakley Ballistic eyepros too.

"the unit has" aur "fleet wide deployment" me thoda farq hota hai Sahab.
There are few exceptionally good sniper rifles in some units, but what's the scenario with the army as a whole?

Optic meh kya kharab hai - just curious (plz tell me the cons)

Even if we ignore that fact that Mor is bit old (10 years I guess) and now you can have better option at lower cost, the biggest issue here is the lack of any magnification.

Tavor may look like a 10" barrel CQB carbine but remember, it has a full length 18" barrel. You need something to utilizes the full potential of the gun's range. Even a 3x would be better

 

[IWIarad11]

"the unit has" aur "fleet wide deployment" me thoda farq hota hai Sahab.
There are few exceptionally good sniper rifles in some units, but what's the scenario with the army as a whole?

Even if we ignore that fact that Mor is bit old (10 years I guess) and now you can have better option at lower cost, the biggest issue here is the lack of any magnification.

Tavor may look like a 10" barrel CQB carbine but remember, it has a full length 18" barrel. You need something to utilizes the full potential of the gun's range. Even a 3x would be better

Heard they got new 3x mepro scopes with the flattops but honestly never seen them even once. This is the MOR Pro, not that old ig; good enough for CI ops - you can take red dots and LAM combo for high speed ops.

 

[vampyrbladez]

There's a huge difference between participating in a trial where you beat 7-8 competitors to win it and a "aur bhai, rifle kaise diye? Kar do pack dedh lakh" order.

Goras have a bit higher threshold of feeling proud as compared to us.
Beating the reigning champion of handgun, Glock to win the M17 competition is something worth mentioning, not that weird over the counter two-tranche order to India.

Sig 716i ($990) beat out CAR 817 ($1200) and Galil ACE 7 ($1600) for the L1 order in 2018.

Indian MoD approves procurement of 72,400 SIG Sauer rifles for IA | Jane's 360

There were also competitive trials done as per photo below :



All this for a 72,400 rifle order in 2019 for $83 million and a 73,000 rifle order for $95 million in 2024 for a total of $178 million.

By comparison US Army wants 107,000 XM7 and 13,000 XM250 initially for $1.35 billion (taking 400,000 weapons max at $4.5 billion).

The Indian contract will give Sig Sauer the money needed to expand facilities and create volume for the US Army contract.

Any other country would have gone over the moon to market the whole military service with the world's largest importer factor as this is a dream contract.

Even J&K SOG wanted 500 Sig 716i rifles and I am not even including the Sig MPX and SG552/553 orders for NSG and various state level police.

.https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thehindu.com/news/national/other-states/jk-police-to-get-american-assault-rifles-pistols-for-anti-terror-operations/article38105328.ece/amp/

This is not about 'pride', this is pissing in your face and calling it rain level of arrogance by Sig Sauer.

I think the carbine tender should be given to Jindal-Taurus, SSS, MKU, Adani-PLR, Kalyan Systems, etc just to spite the Americans.

 

[Yt2211]

"the unit has" aur "fleet wide deployment" me thoda farq hota hai Sahab.
There are few exceptionally good sniper rifles in some units, but what's the scenario with the army as a whole?

Even if we ignore that fact that Mor is bit old (10 years I guess) and now you can have better option at lower cost, the biggest issue here is the lack of any magnification.

Tavor may look like a 10" barrel CQB carbine but remember, it has a full length 18" barrel. You need something to utilizes the full potential of the gun's range. Even a 3x would be better

MEPRO MMX3

 

[VictorDelta4]

Must be too hard to get a 2 point sling to work I guess!