P-77 SSN: Indian Nuclear Attack Submarine Project

QQ ..This whole process of construction will take decade atleast to construct 2 , so going by this rate remaining 4 will take 2 decades so by 2055 we will have all 6 .
If this is construction rate it seems pretty slow doesn't it
 
As far as Iam aware, SSBNs aren't escorted by SSNs. There is no such thing as SSBN being protected by SSN. SSBN is standalone and should completely isolate themselves in areas of blocks and course in the charted path.

That is for boats that are advanced & powerful enough to not only remain undetected but run away if need be. Like Ohio, Vanguard or Borei.

A small, underpowered & (relatively) noisy boat like Arihant class cannot survive on its own. Neither could earlier Chinese SSBN classes.

In their case, they worked around this by going with the Bastion concept: having their SSBN swim around in a relatively access-controlled sea like Bohai where the chance of becoming exposed to foreign SSNs is low.

But our surrounding waters like BoB are fully open to the ocean so that's not a viable option for us at this point.

Until S5 class fully replaces all earlier SSBNs as the deterrence platform, we don't have a choice but to get SSNs to protect the boomers.
 
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Its confusing, some are saying the reactor is only the uprated Arihant Reactor to 100MWt and its max MWe can be around barely 20MW sufficient for a 5000-Ton SSN to reach some 30-Knots and the 190MW Reactor is delayed and nowhere in sight. Now, these people are saying 10,000-Tons. But I don't know how feasible it is to build a SSN that has that large tonnage to reach top speeds unless they thought of trading away extra speed for extra stealth inside that volume. Basically Russkie jugaad.
 
> 2 indigenous Nuclear Attack Submarines under Project-77 SSN programme will be built at SBC Visakhapatnam
> 10,000 tonnes displacement
> 190 MW Light water reactor as powerplant
> 10-12 years timeline for first ship of the class
> Will have 95% indigenous content
> 4 more to be built at a later stage.

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10-12 years, bhaisaab ! Bhaiyo, is it a normal time frame to build a SSN, considering we'll be building it for the 1st time ?

And who has designed these SSN's ?
 
Doubtful if it's going to take 10-12 years to build the first boat, maybe 6-8 years given our decades long experience building the Arihant class boomers.
Each successive boat of the Arihant class featured reduced build time, with the latest S4 said to have taken only 6 years from the keel laying to harbour trials.
 
Doubtful if it's going to take 10-12 years to build the first boat, maybe 6-8 years given our decades long experience building the Arihant class boomers.
Each successive boat of the Arihant class featured reduced build time, with the latest S4 said to have taken only 6 years from the keel laying to harbour trials.
The reactor of the arihant is a russian design BARC built, the entire front section of the arihant is a direct copy of the kilo.
Obviously successive boats will take less time.
Here they are basically making a copy of the akula which is a clean sheet as far the shipyard are concerned so the timeline makes sense,
It will be frustrating tracking this project. The only public info from govmint will when it leaves the harbour for trials and when it is goes on patrols. In between screenshots from careless babu power points and OSINT looking at satellite pics of the boat is all we will have . In my estimation this thread will have 5 official updates total in 12 years .... rest will be discussion.
It is also entirely possible that this peice of news is misinformation and the actual SSN is just an arihant with no missile tubes .
 
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10-12 years, bhaisaab ! Bhaiyo, is it a normal time frame to build a SSN, considering we'll be building it for the 1st time ?

And who has designed these SSN's ?
Yes, if you have to invent everything of your own. Nobody will share with you even for a price.
 
Yes, if you have to invent everything of your own. Nobody will share with you even for a price.
The russians literally did share it sirji,, And now there are rumors of french involvement.
 
Do chinka have SSNs of their own ? In either case how quickly are they rubber stamping SSNs ? In 10 to 12 years their navy would be double the current size easily while we will still be scratching....
 
Do chinka have SSNs of their own ? In either case how quickly are they rubber stamping SSNs ? In 10 to 12 years their navy would be double the current size easily while we will still be scratching....

They have 9 of them.
Their Commie doctrine along with Soviet/Russian biraders focuses on Submarine-maxxxing to stop Democratic Aircraft Carriers from spreading Freedom in their countries.

As in all slit-eyed matters btw, a bulk of their stock will be focused in the SCS and nearby seas to keep the aforementioned free and democratic vessels away.
 
Do chinka have SSNs of their own ? In either case how quickly are they rubber stamping SSNs ? In 10 to 12 years their navy would be double the current size easily while we will still be scratching....
Here’s the thing: China got a massive jumpstart in the aviation industry, thanks to a lot of help from the Russians, Israelis, and even the Americans. The U.S., with its usual foreign policy missteps, thought that helping China develop its aviation sector would pull them away from the Soviets. So, they gave them a hand in building their aircraft industry. On top of that, China was able to bring in a lot of Soviet talent, which further boosted their progress.

But when it comes to submarines, that kind of assistance didn’t happen. Unlike aviation, nobody really helped the Chinese out much in their submarine industry. Submarines are way more tightly controlled by both the U.S. and Russia, and it’s a lot harder to steal or get access to that technology. So, the Chinese have been slower in that field.

In aviation, they’ve managed to produce something like the J-20, which is a bit behind the F-35 but still impressive. But when it comes to submarines, they haven’t been able to produce anything equivalent to a Rubis or Akula-class, which are considered 3rd-gen. Now, the 4th-gen subs—like the Yasen, Seawolf, Virginia, Suffren, and Astute classes—are even more advanced. China’s latest nuclear-powered attack submarine, the Type 095, may barely on surface level may match 3rd gen but may short fall of capabilities of true 3rd-gen subs like the Rubis AMETHYST, Akula, or Trafalgar.
 
Do chinka have SSNs of their own ? In either case how quickly are they rubber stamping SSNs ? In 10 to 12 years their navy would be double the current size easily while we will still be scratching....
Inexperienced sailors and admirals in Chinese navy are worthless; rather ready to be sunk.
 
Here’s the thing: China got a massive jumpstart in the aviation industry, thanks to a lot of help from the Russians, Israelis, and even the Americans. The U.S., with its usual foreign policy missteps, thought that helping China develop its aviation sector would pull them away from the Soviets. So, they gave them a hand in building their aircraft industry. On top of that, China was able to bring in a lot of Soviet talent, which further boosted their progress.

But when it comes to submarines, that kind of assistance didn’t happen. Unlike aviation, nobody really helped the Chinese out much in their submarine industry. Submarines are way more tightly controlled by both the U.S. and Russia, and it’s a lot harder to steal or get access to that technology. So, the Chinese have been slower in that field.

In aviation, they’ve managed to produce something like the J-20, which is a bit behind the F-35 but still impressive. But when it comes to submarines, they haven’t been able to produce anything equivalent to a Rubis or Akula-class, which are considered 3rd-gen. Now, the 4th-gen subs—like the Yasen, Seawolf, Virginia, Suffren, and Astute classes—are even more advanced. China’s latest nuclear-powered attack submarine, the Type 095, may barely on surface level may match 3rd gen but may short fall of capabilities of true 3rd-gen subs like the Rubis AMETHYST, Akula, or Trafalgar.
Well to be fair they have extensive spy networks that were able to to get soviet designs ,, but with no hand holding they would suffer in development. Also their competition is the USN which is the best . Ours is whatever the chinese can spare for an expedition. If the USN was our adversary our navy would consist of 3 destroyers and 25 SSKs and 50 missile boats .
 
I am very happy the way things are progressing for Indian Navy. They are ready to downgrade the numbers to get the product but on the other hand we have IAF which is lacking core products from its arsenal.

They have been asking for MRFA for so long but they themself don't know what actually they want. They agreed to procure additional Tejas but the engine drama has screwed that too. We are at a all time low. With two adversaries at the border let's see how things unfold. They also need refuellers but there is hardly any progress on that.
 
Really doubt the claims from Rajat Pandit report saying 10k tons & 190mwt PWR.

If the 190mwt reactor was ready, we wouldn't be considering extension of Arihant class production run. We'd have gone straight to S5 class.

Most likely he confused the S5 itself (widely believed to be between 10-13k tons) with upcoming SSN - which would without doubt be smaller than Arihant, not bigger. We're not going for a SSGN here.

And this is what our SSN will probably look like:

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Picture from this event:


View: https://x.com/alpha_defense/status/1678784625223798784
 

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