AMCA - Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft

[Bleh]

IAF may need to confront Pakistani J-31 in 5 years. China will likely have hundreds of 5G aircraft in a few years. How do you suggest IAF fields a credible air defence before AMCA Mk1 is delivered, possibly not until the late 2030's - or even later?

I think Rafales & MWF would be enough for J-31. Yea it'll be like a bit stealthier Jf-17, that's why I said we might get a few Su-57 as stopgap if there's too much dhoti shivering as a 2nd manufacturing source of fighters to expand the induction rate.

Su-75 doesn't exist, or what it'd be offered in MRCA. Plz stop bringing it up.

 

[Corvus Splendens]

I think Rafales & MWF would be enough for J-31. Yea it'll be like a bit stealthier Jf-17, that's why I said we might get a few Su-57 as stopgap if there's too much dhoti shivering as a 2nd manufacturing source of fighters to expand the induction rate.

Su-75 doesn't exist, or what it'd be offered in MRCA. Plz stop bringing it up.

The Pakis won't be able to afford the J-35 in meaningful numbers. They have budget issues with the J-10 already. Don't know what'd be inside the J-35 but design wise it's a stealth fighter. GoI needs to stop dragging it's foot in regards to DRAL and make a quick decision with the additional Rafales (AF+Navy), and order quick. Even the Tejas production is too slow, Mk1As are stuck because of engines, and Mk2 hasn't even seen a prototype being ready. This is shaping up to be a frustratingly slow decade for Indian fighter acquisition.

 

[shade2]

The Pakis won't be able to afford the J-35 in meaningful numbers. They have budget issues with the J-10 already. Don't know what'd be inside the J-35 but design wise it's a stealth fighter. GoI needs to stop dragging it's foot in regards to DRAL and make a quick decision with the additional Rafales (AF+Navy), and order quick. Even the Tejas production is too slow, Mk1As are stuck because of engines, and Mk2 hasn't even seen a prototype being ready. This is shaping up to be a frustratingly slow decade for Indian fighter acquisition.

I doubt it will even be sold to them.
Chinkus are slowly realizing their long-time slave has now found a new master

Pakistan is suddenly resisting China’s security pressure. Is Trump the reason?

Islamabad and Rawalpindi do not want to create an impression of subservience to Chinese power, especially when the administration in the United States is about to change hands.

theprint.in

 

[GodEmperorDoom]

I doubt it will even be sold to them.
Chinkus are slowly realizing their long-time slave has now found a new master

Pakistan is suddenly resisting China’s security pressure. Is Trump the reason?

Islamabad and Rawalpindi do not want to create an impression of subservience to Chinese power, especially when the administration in the United States is about to change hands.

theprint.in

The J-35 is supposed to be Chink's Naval Fighter and do everyone think they will give that to Pakistanis?

Even if the Internals are downgraded, remember that Chinese and all other Stealth Fighter Operators go great lengths like installing Luneberg Lens to hide true RCS. It would be a guarantee that J-35 RCS will be known to CIA in few days these Jahils get it.

 

[Azaad]

The Pakis won't be able to afford the J-35 in meaningful numbers. They have budget issues with the J-10 already. Don't know what'd be inside the J-35 but design wise it's a stealth fighter. GoI needs to stop dragging it's foot in regards to DRAL and make a quick decision with the additional Rafales (AF+Navy), and order quick. Even the Tejas production is too slow, Mk1As are stuck because of engines, and Mk2 hasn't even seen a prototype being ready. This is shaping up to be a frustratingly slow decade for Indian fighter acquisition.

J-35 is the Naval version. FC-31 is the land based version which'd take at least 4-5 years to be realised. Besides I don't think as long as Trump is around , they'd risk getting such platforms from the Chinese.

J-10 was offered to Paxtan by the Chinese on credit at "reasonable " interest rates. Besides it's a export version , the same as the FC-31 as & even it'd be exported to PAF.

Hopefully the deal for the Rafale M will be signed before the end of this financial year or at least that's the plan going by reports. More Rafales for IAF would only come thru the MRFA tender.

The boat for getting 36 nos more has long since sailed . Would've been possible up until early 2022 . Today Dassault has a full order book & given the disruptions in supply chains it's expected that their assembly lines will be working to clear the back log till the end of this decade.

A slim chance of Dassault establishing am assembly line here exists if we give them an order for at least 100 nos FA . From my chats with French members on another forum , I believe even if the immediate order is for 75+ nos the French government will persuade Dassault to consider it on the condition that eventually GoI will enhance their procurement.

But frankly do you see the Modi government going in for 54 nos ( IAF) + 26 nos (IN) order ? I don't. For all his bravado 56" has been spooked by Pappu after the last time the latter went public with allegations of underhand dealings between the GoI & Dassault.

After the recent general elections where the Dalits successfully bought the opposition's proposition of Modi seeking 400 seats to do away with reservations do you think he'd go in for a G2G deal with the French ?

56" should've exercised the option for another 36 additional Rafales immediately after the Galwan clashes or somewhere in 2020 itself. Even if Pappu raised objections the GoI could've easily tackled him by convincing the public he's acting against the national interest.

In hindsight we can say that was our best chance as even Dassault's order books were running empty then . Modi blew up our chances then & there.