AMCA - Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft

Vinash kale vipreet buddhi
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Lack of accountability on all fronts.
1. HAL's lethargic records is self explanatory.
2. IAF's import lobby, lack of foresight and inactive participation.
3. Not supporting each other in critical junctions. Eg. With already strained resources, we want a separate fighter for purely navy purposes for 80 odd orders. France being a developed country decided to go for one for scale and commonality. Any other sane country would have done the same ( read J35A, J35C).
4. Government's lackluster attitude: The only answer we have is "delay". GE F414 delayed? Let's delay the funding of MWF program! No private-public JV solution? Great let's delay the funds again and 'hope' there's a solution magically appearing 3 years later.
5. The top brasses on all fronts have the ego of a manchild. Is this an "us" problem? Even on this sub it's so evident how easy it is to rile one up.
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While the top tier of American/Europeans work for their own aerospace companies, best of Indians work for them too. You only get like third tiers to remain in India willing to work for government salary.

Its not fair to HAL/ADA that Indians keep demanding the best with third tiers resources.
 
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HAL knows private players would leave the project if they stall it enough. So all this drama. They did same with the Tejas PPP plan. It's age old tactics eventually the government would be forced to let HAL do most of the work. While the project would get delayed by 5-6 years.

HAL is such a narrow minded organisation. It's not like they are not gonna be part of it. There is always public-private partnership. They can work with a private player and co-manufacture it. But nope, they want to do everything even with their horrible track record. Not denying they have the experience but they should learn to share it, because what is the point of that experience if it rots away without benefiting the country.
 
They are supposed to be low cost and expendable compared to fighter jets.
If you try Making them larger, more faster, more manurable, more advance and power full avionics, more payload while still maintain stealth, you will basically end up with "unamanned/AI piloted" amca.
And unamanned capability for fighter jets is being developed.

Let's say one manned manned followed by two unmanned amca and 6-8 cats warriors form one singular unit.
5 fingers are different, Everybody can't examine beyond certain point, hence many companies get defunct, sold out. Many engineers also get fired.
> Adversaries are also developing all these tech, so how would we target their UAVs, that's the way we should think. Then we'll realize how enemy would attack our UAVs & we would require to protect them.
> UAVs are of differnt types but we on AMCA thread are specifically talking about Wingman UCAV fighter. A UCAV which cannot stay & fight along manned fighter can't be called a "wingman". So it needs to have same/identical profile.

> Western economy, industry, affordability, geography, geopolitics, coalation, global agenda, global bases & setup are different. We've none of those. Westen economies are much richer than ours. Their citizens use cars like we use bikes. Their village houses could be better than our middle income group houses. Our citizens purchase overbudgeted foreign made daily items by which they earn & fund their R&D.
Hence what they can think as expendable, we can't.
The WEST could be misleading the world on unprecedented scale by wrong depictions of CCAs. And it is perfectly fair bcoz espionage & hence misinformation war has always been there.
Military can disclose very obvious things but not which others would normally take time to catch up.

> In future of improved SAMs, AAMs, IADS, that expendability would be = majority assured loss.☠️ it would be like a huge Charity or donation💸:facepalm4::ROFLMAO:
You also said earlier that after 10-20yrs today's A-MCA might just be MCA as per then tech standards, right?
When F-22, F-117, B-2 were made, there were some people deadly against them. In every nation, on every project, there are always people on For/Against sides.
> By removing pilot, we reduce human loss, but threat to aircraft doesn't decrease.🤷‍♂️if you remove components like some sensor, EW antennas, countermeasures, weapons, or reduce considerably, then the threat level increases further & survivability decreases. UAVs become dependant on each other & hence handicapped.:crutch:

So, Low cost = less features = more vulnerable. They will be like big cruise missiles waiting to be shot down. Same like a soldier with poor level of armor & weapons.
Defence is a costly matter & fighter jet is like racing car/bike. If we mix regular car/bike with them, we can't expect same performance obviously. It is like mixing stallions & donkeys.

The best Wingman UCAV is obviously unmanned version of manned fighter. Unmanned AMCA would be very good Wingman UCAV.
Light/Medium/Heavy, none carry any luxury items, every single component has utility for flight & fight.

In future, all UCAV are also supposed to be stealthy. A cruise missile can also be stealthy with big range.
But min size of manned jet & UCAV is governed by min payload, which whould be at least 2 BVR-AAMs + (2 CCMs or 4 VSR-CCMs) in worst case.
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If not AMCA-UCAV then consider smallest jet fighter like LCA we have. Now imagine its UCAV version with stealth geometry, IWB, V-tail or tail-less. That's your ALCA-UCAV Wingman.
Removing pilot would also remove pilot associated things like cockpit instruments, OBOGS, ECS, etc, what else?
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Why always we wait for world to do something 1st?

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5 fingers are different, Everybody can't examine beyond certain point, hence many companies get defunct, sold out. Many engineers also get fired.
> Adversaries are also developing all these tech, so how would we target their UAVs, that's the way we should think. Then we'll realize how enemy would attack our UAVs & we would require to protect them.
> UAVs are of differnt types but we on AMCA thread are specifically talking about Wingman UCAV fighter. A UCAV which cannot stay & fight along manned fighter can't be called a "wingman". So it needs to have same/identical profile.

> Western economy, industry, affordability, geography, geopolitics, coalation, global agenda, global bases & setup are different. We've none of those. Westen economies are much richer than ours. Their citizens use cars like we use bikes. Their village houses could be better than our middle income group houses. Our citizens purchase overbudgeted foreign made daily items by which they earn & fund their R&D.
Hence what they can think as expendable, we can't.
The WEST could be misleading the world on unprecedented scale by wrong depictions of CCAs. And it is perfectly fair bcoz espionage & hence misinformation war has always been there.
Military can disclose very obvious things but not which others would normally take time to catch up.

> In future of improved SAMs, AAMs, IADS, that expendability would be = majority assured loss.☠️ it would be like a huge Charity or donation💸:facepalm4::ROFLMAO:
You also said earlier that after 10-20yrs today's A-MCA might just be MCA as per then tech standards, right?
When F-22, F-117, B-2 were made, there were some people deadly against them. In every nation, on every project, there are always people on For/Against sides.
> By removing pilot, we reduce human loss, but threat to aircraft doesn't decrease.🤷‍♂️if you remove components like some sensor, EW antennas, countermeasures, weapons, or reduce considerably, then the threat level increases further & survivability decreases. UAVs become dependant on each other & hence handicapped.:crutch:

So, Low cost = less features = more vulnerable. They will be like big cruise missiles waiting to be shot down. Same like a soldier with poor level of armor & weapons.
Defence is a costly matter & fighter jet is like racing car/bike. If we mix regular car/bike with them, we can't expect same performance obviously. It is like mixing stallions & donkeys.

The best Wingman UCAV is obviously unmanned version of manned fighter. Unmanned AMCA would be very good Wingman UCAV.
Light/Medium/Heavy, none carry any luxury items, every single component has utility for flight & fight.

In future, all UCAV are also supposed to be stealthy. A cruise missile can also be stealthy with big range.
But min size of manned jet & UCAV is governed by min payload, which whould be at least 2 BVR-AAMs + (2 CCMs or 4 VSR-CCMs) in worst case.
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If not AMCA-UCAV then consider smallest jet fighter like LCA we have. Now imagine its UCAV version with stealth geometry, IWB, V-tail or tail-less. That's your ALCA-UCAV Wingman.
Removing pilot would also remove pilot associated things like cockpit instruments, OBOGS, ECS, etc, what else?
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Why always we wait for world to do something 1st?

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We are working on big brother of cats warrior.
And larger ghatak drone.
Which will be between low cost cca's and expensive unamnned amca.

So we have that covered.
We have lowest end ccs( Abhimanyu from new space for navy), low end ccs( cats warrior), medium end( big brother of cats), high end ccs ( ghatak), top end ccs(unamanned amca)
 

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