AMCA - Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft

[BON PLAN]

Fact is that tejas does not have bvr till now , Astra is not cleared , the track record of indian drdo hal...is not good ,
So forces are not , believing , better they go for a fifth gen fighter ...then the magical no 36 not gonna help , paf might get more nos of j35
And as we know they got j10 c in one year .....so it's better to get those f35 s ,,, is it possible to get some old , f22s in lower price , or 50+ old f16s to maintain squardon

You will never have access to F22. Even the closest ally, Japan, can't.
F35 is for India a fantasm, or a decoy, or the two together. Trump will force you to take F21 in number first, that means you can say good by to Tejas.

 

[BON PLAN]

Very interesting question. But whatever be the fact, it didn't stop any of the makers to keep their jets prepared for max A-A config.

We have seen pictures of F15 (and SH18 if I remember well) with so many AMRAAM.... it was a useless war config. Only marketing, as usual with USA.

4 medium range AAM may be short. 6 to 8 a rbalanced maximum.

 

[Mangal]

You will never have access to F22. Even the closest ally, Japan, can't.
F35 is for India a fantasm, or a decoy, or the two together. Trump will force you to take F21 in number first, that means you can say good by to Tejas.

Rest assured..India will never give up on Tejas.

 

[Bhartiya Sainik]

We have seen pictures of F15 (and SH18 if I remember well) with so many AMRAAM.... it was a useless war config. Only marketing, as usual with USA.

4 medium range AAM may be short. 6 to 8 a rbalanced maximum.

A new jet is supposed to be better than existing jets, which might also mean ability to engage larger group.
Jet makers have marketed their jets like example - it can track 15 targets & engage 6 meaning guide 6 AAMs. With ARH AAMs the situation becomes deadlier.
A scenario was described that to counter say 20 incoming enemy jets, perhaps only 3-4 jet would be required with max AA config.
If new jet has better radar & longer range AAMs then that scenario can work.
By the time enemy will detect the new jet or ready to fire their AAMs, their RWRs will be flashing forcing them to defend.
Then rivals will make their jets, but the ability continues.
It become a ping-pong chain reaction.

5gen jets were also marketed like that - 1st look, 1st shot, 1st kill. imagine a group of 6 F-22 jets with lowest RCS ripple firing 6x4=24 AAMs at 24x 4gen jets. The surviving jets will be dealt in 2nd wave of BVR shots or WVR.
Since 1990s, F-22 pilots in documentaries & interviews have said that in excercises they shot down F-15, 16, etc like mosquitos, 1st in BVR then in WVR then in gun-fight.

Now 6gen will be expected to sneak & engage better.

 

[Hari Sud]

Arms Race in South Asia

India has approached the U.S. to purchase F-35 stealth fighter jets. Why the urgency? Because a financially struggling Pakistan is acquiring Chinese stealth jets, whose prototype recently flew in China. The aircraft resembles the F-35 but features twin 4th-generation engines, suggesting it is a reverse-engineered copy, likely inferior in avionics and weaponry.

Under pressure from Pakistan’s sudden perceived aerial advantage, India had to respond. To keep President Trump happy and balance trade, PM Modi sought the F-35 deal, swiftly nullifying Pakistan’s so-called superiority. The move sent Pakistan into a meltdown, with officials criticizing the U.S. for agreeing to supply India with the jets.

For India, the F-35 is an expensive but strategic purchase. Fully equipped with advanced avionics and weapons, its operational costs are high potentially double those of competitors. The U.S. will also ensure strict restrictions, preventing Russian engineers from accessing the aircraft. Despite the costs, India sees the investment as worthwhile.

Pakistan, once again, is fuelling an arms race it cannot afford just as it did in the 1950s when it received free Starfighters and Sabre jets from the U.S., forcing India to buy British Hunters and French Mystere to maintain balance. Now, history is repeating itself. The result? Pakistan, already financially unstable, risks plunging even deeper into crisis.

 

[Zoid Raptor]

That is a very good theory and countries like USA and China are more or less working on that concept but there's just one hiccup in it

The current iteration of CATS Warrior don't have an IWB big enough to carry air-to-air missile; just SDBs

View: https://x.com/smitharanganath/status/1889214179174683006?s=19
(was the choice of this specific Tweet intentional? May be)

 

[vicky]

View: https://youtu.be/87uelr-mQMQ?si=xFddfqDJIwKaa9_i



Data Patterns has developed a GAN-based AESA radar with 2,700 TR modules, which can be steered , similar to the CAPTOR-E.

Aero India 2025: Data Patterns showcases fire-control radar

Indian firm Data Patterns has unveiled its HAWK I 2700 multifunction fire control and tracking radar at the Aero India 2025 show in Bangalore.

www.janes.com

 

[Asmodeus]

India has approached the U.S. to purchase F-35 stealth fighter jets.

View: https://x.com/cozyduke_apt29/status/1892047354485698797

 

[Bhartiya Sainik]

View: https://youtu.be/87uelr-mQMQ?si=xFddfqDJIwKaa9_i



Data Patterns has developed a GAN-based AESA radar with 2,700 TR modules, which can be steered , similar to the CAPTOR-E.

Aero India 2025: Data Patterns showcases fire-control radar

Indian firm Data Patterns has unveiled its HAWK I 2700 multifunction fire control and tracking radar at the Aero India 2025 show in Bangalore.

www.janes.com

Mechanically steered radar means gimbals, electric motors, power diverted to move it.
AMCA already a small jet with small nose, so better to have modular DESA (Distributed Electronicaly Steered Array). And we can have some dosa.

 

[Bhartiya Sainik]

W.r.t. F-35 IMO we can ask for an intermediate deal like using its EOTS, DAS, HMDS & some auxilliary components on AMCA to fast-track it while developing our own versions.
If F135 engine is given w/o ToT also then it can be used for R&D of new jets design.

 

[randombully]

W.r.t. F-35 IMO we can ask for an intermediate deal like using its EOTS, DAS, HMDS & some auxilliary components on AMCA to fast-track it while developing our own versions.
If F135 engine is given w/o ToT also then it can be used for R&D of new jets design.

If F135 engine is given w/o ToT also then it can be used for R&D of new jets design.

Yeah no, ain't gonna happen.
Better to go with Safran or rolls Royce.

 

[GodEmperorDoom]

W.r.t. F-35 IMO we can ask for an intermediate deal like using its EOTS, DAS, HMDS & some auxilliary components on AMCA to fast-track it while developing our own versions.
If F135 engine is given w/o ToT also then it can be used for R&D of new jets design.

You have too much delusions.

 

[randombully]

You have too much delusions.

EOTS, DAS are possible.
HMD is hard but possible.
But gotta buy f35 for that and also pay lot of extra to uncle Sam.
But I believe we don't need EOTS and DAS tech, we already have strong base for these.

 

[GodEmperorDoom]

EOTS, DAS are possible.
HMD is hard but possible.
But gotta buy f35 for that and also pay lot of extra to uncle Sam.
But I believe we don't need EOTS and DAS tech, we already have strong base for these.

It didn't give such to its most obedient vassal as offset clause but here you are deluding yourself in such.

 

[Bhartiya Sainik]

You have too much delusions.

I can't see future. It is just an opinion. But that's what i would try to talk with them at least to avoid arm-twisting on the entire jet tomorrow when regime changes again.
What worse will happen is they will disagree, that's all.
But every common qualified, experienced citizens want to know if such talks happened in 1st place.

 

[Bhartiya Sainik]

Yeah no, ain't gonna happen.
Better to go with Safran or rolls Royce.

But how do you know for sure? Did such talks already happen & they denied?

 

[Corvus Splendens]

W.r.t. F-35 IMO we can ask for an intermediate deal like using its EOTS, DAS, HMDS & some auxilliary components on AMCA to fast-track it while developing our own versions.
If F135 engine is given w/o ToT also then it can be used for R&D of new jets design.

We have better chances of getting a permanent seat on the UN Security council than getting our hands on top of the line Pratt & Whitney engine tot. Americans will sell us the Raptor before they give up P&W engines.

 

[Bhartiya Sainik]

getting our hands on top of the line Pratt & Whitney engine tot.

Buddy, what did i say?

If F135 engine is given w/o ToT also then it can be used for R&D of new jets design.

 

[Corvus Splendens]

Buddy, what did i say?

Oh you think the Americans will let you reverse engineer their golden goose ? Forget tinkering around with it, they'll post personnel to make sure we don't look inside. We've had the AL-31 with zero Russkie oversight for decades and we didn't even reverse engineer that, and you think we'll learn anything worthwhile from a F135 when the Americans won't even let us dissect one ?

 

[Bhartiya Sainik]

Oh you think the Americans will let you reverse engineer their golden goose ? Forget tinkering around with it, they'll post personnel to make sure we don't look inside. We've had the AL-31 with zero Russkie oversight for decades and we didn't even reverse engineer that, and you think we'll learn anything worthwhile from a F135 when the Americans won't even let us dissect one ?

Where i said to reverse-engineer F-135 engine?
I said to use it for R&D of our new future jet, like AHCA or bomber, etc.
Ofcourse they'll post American staff whether we get entire F-35 or some critical component. They will do the jet's servicing themselves.
What worse will happen, they'll say "take the entire F-35, not just components".
I just wanna know if such talks have happened or not & their response, that's all.