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[MasterChief]

if it’s so ssg then please tell me why paff commanders killed in this years encounters are locals.

Attributing soldier deaths to SSG is a safety valve for Indian Army Brass.. like saying our boys were killed by the best you know..
Even during PAFF killings of IA men last year, Army sympathetic media were blabbering the same talking points about Pak Army regulars and SSG, only to find out later that these guys were locals..
Guess calling every other guy SSG helps avoid accountability..

 

[MasterChief]

Not just generals, all powerful MoD bureaucrats and national security council too should be made go through parliamentary committee hearings. You never know in complex maze of India's defence setup where different power centers exist who asks whom to sign on the dotted line in the name of military hardware diplomacy or dalal diplomacy. Take the case of proposed stryker procurement where people on social media are blaming the Army where as it is the powers above that are pushing it in the name of military hardware diplomacy

Yes . STRYKER is PMO led.. with Uncle Shyam demanding his pound of flesh..

 

[Mr.Evil]

if it’s so ssg then please tell me why paff commanders killed in this years encounters are locals.

Leading the ambush team Iliyas Fauji ex SSG

Pak Army SSG commando killed by Indian Army in Kathua, Jammu. This SSG cdo had infiltrated in Jammu as a terrorist but with this, Pak Army direct role in attacking Indian civilians & soldiers is out now.


You will not find their connection everytime but these evidences are enough to let you know they are involved and leading these attacks.

 

[Mr.Evil]

Bro where tf did this 600 SSG number came and why is everyone spreading it?!?!

View: https://x.com/spvaid/status/1817759504525578510

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

Bro where tf did this 600 SSG number came and why is everyone spreading it?!?!

View: https://x.com/spvaid/status/1817759504525578510

This cannot be true.

600 commandos is a war number.

Even in Kargil 600 ssg were not present.

He says 600 will infiltrate which means a battalion.

If this info is intel based then what are we waiting for?

 

[Airborne22]

This cannot be true.

600 commandos is a war number.

Even in Kargil 600 ssg were not present.

He says 600 will infiltrate which means a battalion.

If this info is intel based then what are we waiting for?

600 is kind of infilated, but the number that is actively working here based upon the intercepts is kind of unnaceptable. State elections are coming

 

[KumaoniReborn]

Attributing soldier deaths to SSG is a safety valve for Indian Army Brass.. like saying our boys were killed by the best you know..
Even during PAFF killings of IA men last year, Army sympathetic media were blabbering the same talking points about Pak Army regulars and SSG, only to find out later that these guys were locals..
Guess calling every other guy SSG helps avoid accountability..

Absolutely. Reality of the ground is that we are struggling against local militants. Combat isn’t determined by races. Accept that local kashmitis have gotten crafty and counter them. It’s so easy.

 

[KumaoniReborn]

Leading the ambush team Iliyas Fauji ex SSG
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Pak Army SSG commando killed by Indian Army in Kathua, Jammu. This SSG cdo had infiltrated in Jammu as a terrorist but with this, Pak Army direct role in attacking Indian civilians & soldiers is out now.
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You will not find their connection everytime but these evidences are enough to let you know they are involved and leading these attacks.

SSG factor has been there since 1989. Why are indian defense commentators acting like this is a new development. BAT has been going since late 90s.

 

[KumaoniReborn]

Leading the ambush team Iliyas Fauji ex SSG
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Pak Army SSG commando killed by Indian Army in Kathua, Jammu. This SSG cdo had infiltrated in Jammu as a terrorist but with this, Pak Army direct role in attacking Indian civilians & soldiers is out now.
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You will not find their connection everytime but these evidences are enough to let you know they are involved and leading these ca

ISI captains have been killed in operations as well.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

600 is kind of infilated, but the number that is actively working here based upon the intercepts is kind of unnaceptable. State elections are coming

This news leak makes no sense unless....

Modi is planning to attack Pak.

 

[truthsoldier]

Yes . STRYKER is PMO led.. with Uncle Shyam demanding his pound of flesh..

That still doesn't explain why indigenous product is being sacrificed. If we are to give them jizya then let it be for something which we won't have anytime soon on our own like MTA, refuellers etc.

 

[Anants]

That still doesn't explain why indigenous product is being sacrificed. If we are to give them jizya then let it be for something which we won't have anytime soon on our own like MTA, refuellers etc.

With Amerika only under trump general Jaziya worked. While rest they ask choicest and very pointed things in their Jaziya. Substitution doesnt work and if it works, its super expensive than original Jaziya.

 

[truthsoldier]

With Amerika only under trump general Jaziya worked. While rest they ask choicest and very pointed things in their Jaziya. Substitution doesnt work and if it works, its super expensive than original Jaziya.

That is a big foreign policy failure if we can't even resist the sacrifice of our industry...sort of capitulation if the deal materializes

 

[lexCommando]

Hearing rumors that ceasefire will be broken with 155mm. Personally I don't believe that. As long as not more than 100-150 soldiers die on yearly basis, army and leadership is okay

 

[ezsasa]

That is a big foreign policy failure if we can't even resist the sacrifice of our industry...sort of capitulation if the deal materializes

two line items came up at the same time from iCET, armoured vehicle and jet engines.

hypothetically ..

if you are in doval's place, across the table your murican counterpart is giving hints that one cannot happen without the other, what would you do? sacrifice 50000 crore LCA project at the cost of 5000 crore stryker?

FACT SHEET: United States and India Elevate Strategic Partnership with the initiative on Critical and Emerging Technology (iCET) | The White House

President Biden and Prime Minister Modi announced the U.S.-India initiative on Critical and Emerging Technology (iCET) in May 2022 to elevate and expand

www.whitehouse.gov

India, US discuss co-producing jet engines, long-range artillery, infantry vehicles

At a meeting with Indian Defence Secretary Giridhar Aramane at the Pentagon, US Deputy Defense Secretary Kathleen Hicks termed the proposals to co-produce jet engines, long-range artillery and infantry vehicles under iCET "unprecedented opportunities" to strengthen ties between the defence...

economictimes.indiatimes.com

 

[Anants]

That is a big foreign policy failure if we can't even resist the sacrifice of our industry...sort of capitulation if the deal materializes

Well sometimes govt has no choice but to capitulate on something to save on other thing. As ezsasa also referred.. Blackmail sometimes does not work but sometimes you dont have any choice. This discussion is OT to thread but even in Emergency , Indira kowtowed to Western Pressure - thats why Sanjay Gandhi did the mass sterilization program. India then was often blackmailed to unthinkable things in exchange for basic aid. Its for the reason every developing country struggles hard to wean out from AID.

This is all neo colonialism in 21st century in summary for you. Its not first time also. Read about Cray X supercomputer saga and Param saga too. Why do you think US was keen to jump in and provide engine to Indian program which could become competitor to them in some of their offerings space...? Leverage

 

[125mm_Smoothbore]

Nope burn his body publicly

Exactly islam has a problem with bodies burning “some kabar mein aag” thing thats the best way

 

[125mm_Smoothbore]

two line items came up at the same time from iCET, armoured vehicle and jet engines.

hypothetically ..

if you are in doval's place, across the table your murican counterpart is giving hints that one cannot happen without the other, what would you do? sacrifice 50000 crore LCA project at the cost of 5000 crore stryker?

FACT SHEET: United States and India Elevate Strategic Partnership with the initiative on Critical and Emerging Technology (iCET) | The White House

President Biden and Prime Minister Modi announced the U.S.-India initiative on Critical and Emerging Technology (iCET) in May 2022 to elevate and expand

www.whitehouse.gov

India, US discuss co-producing jet engines, long-range artillery, infantry vehicles

At a meeting with Indian Defence Secretary Giridhar Aramane at the Pentagon, US Deputy Defense Secretary Kathleen Hicks termed the proposals to co-produce jet engines, long-range artillery and infantry vehicles under iCET "unprecedented opportunities" to strengthen ties between the defence...

economictimes.indiatimes.com

Well sometimes govt has no choice but to capitulate on something to save on other thing. As ezsasa also referred.. Blackmail sometimes does not work but sometimes you dont have any choice. This discussion is OT to thread but even in Emergency , Indira kowtowed to Western Pressure - thats why Sanjay Gandhi did the mass sterilization program. India then was often blackmailed to unthinkable things in exchange for basic aid. Its for the reason every developing country struggles hard to wean out from AID.

This is all neo colonialism in 21st century in summary for you. Its not first time also. Read about Cray X supercomputer saga and Param saga too. Why do you think US was keen to jump in and provide engine to Indian program which could become competitor to them in some of their offerings space...? Leverage

Exactly without aero engines
Amca (50-60)
Tedbf(at least 50-100)
Mk2 (200)
Mk1a (180)

We are doomed thats very very big time (considering that the production deal of f414 is still isn't signed f404 is under delay of ‘YEAR’ )

Even if we induct Stryker we could still induct kestrels too but we can make f404 and f414 equivalents thats easily and at time

 

[ezsasa]

Well sometimes govt has no choice but to capitulate on something to save on other thing. As ezsasa also referred.. Blackmail sometimes does not work but sometimes you dont have any choice. This discussion is OT to thread but even in Emergency , Indira kowtowed to Western Pressure - thats why Sanjay Gandhi did the mass sterilization program. India then was often blackmailed to unthinkable things in exchange for basic aid. Its for the reason every developing country struggles hard to wean out from AID.

This is all neo colonialism in 21st century in summary for you. Its not first time also. Read about Cray X supercomputer saga and Param saga too. Why do you think US was keen to jump in and provide engine to Indian program which could become competitor to them in some of their offerings space...? Leverage

expounding the concepts of risk, risk mitigation and tradeoffs, is missing in our popular discourse. potential risks and tradeoffs, should be mandatory especially when discussing topics related to national security, hard power. and these days even soft power.

just because all conditions are not in our favour, doing nothing and sitting idle is not an option. plan risk mitigation strategies, and keep moving forward is the mantra.

 

[fire starter]

Lol.

View: https://x.com/gharkekalesh/status/1817873373306953960?t=lK_CpGsqYCr2dCsmtg0hag&s=19