Provided disapproval gets preserved over her works.
The question of preservation is different from the very fact she's been opposed by people who've countered her on specific points because there's a different dynamic to it.
For example if you train an AI model to reflect a particular kind of narrative that's what it'd do . That's different from the counter narrative not being present at all as opposed to the counter narrative not being part of that particular AI model.
Do you think there were not disapproval within Sikh community of getting counted separate from Hindus. On the contrary - there were plenty. The numbers waned with time and generations.
It doesn't matter a bit . This is like saying the majority of Paxtanis are peace loving. Sure , they are like people all across the world but their opinion counts for little in their own country as they don't decide their nation's destiny thru a vote like a regular democracy.
JuttSikhi cracks down on any alternative PoV. Any body crossing a line is either disciplined or disappeared. It's for the ordinary Sikh to stand up & be counted. If they don't , like it has happened in the past , they risk their religion being hijacked by undesirables , something which has already happened.
They then have to face the consequences. The late Sikh author editor journalist & bon vivant Khushwant Singh who openly opposed Bhindranwale & was targetted by the latter in his infamous death lists said as much in a public forum that - one of the reasons the 1984 Delhi Sikh riots or pogroms occurred was because a section of Hindus saw their co religionists being slaughtered in Punjab with virtually no opposition from anybody - police , the state, the press , Sikh religious organizations , the ordinary Sikh , etc . What followed there fore was retribution as much for assassinating IG as for what was done to the Hindus in Punjab.
True but this point has nothing to do with current discussion.
OTOH you're saying SGPC would've run away with the news that Guru Nanak Devji had a Muslim wife if it were true & OTOH you're saying that JuttSikhi down playing Sikhi's foundational roots to Sanatan Dharma & highlighting similarities with Islam has nothing to do with this discussion.
Sufi and Bhakti were closely intertwined in that era. Infact Sufi was Bhaktism ported to Malsi world.
Sufi may had similarities with the Bhakti movement & there may have been cross pollination of ideas but I can assure you Sufism itself has pretty deep roots in the Middle East before it spread into the Islamic world much before it came into India. It literally goes back to 8th century Iraq & may owe itself to earlier non Islamic traditions.
Let them respond or not. But in the interest of preserving Sanatani culture, ethos and Nation - Sanatnis ought to reclaim to all what belongs to them. Guru and his teachings were verily part and parcel of Sanatani thought
I don't have any particular views on it truth be told. My own personal experiences are even the most liberal Sikh thinks of his religion as separate from Sanatan Dharma irrespective he may pray at our shrines or celebrate our festivals.
If that's the case whatever the truth you can't force it down their throats.
Naah, They have written even bizzare claims to show its closeness to Malsi. they wont even bat an eyelid if they had reasons enough to believe so.
I'm not entirely convinced by your arguments on this issue. Let's leave it at that.
Exactly thats why ESSGPSEE would love to agree with you if they had reasons strong enough
Maybe Maybe not .
The only source for that claim was Banda Bahadur himself. It is said he did precisely stop infighting and instead concentrate on Anti Mughal fight. Succession battles were always there.
My information is that Guru Gobind Singhji himself said so . It has been attested . OTOH I've not come across any source saying Banda Singh Bahadur declared that Guru Gobind Singhji had wished his followers to now keep the covenant with the SGGS.
On the contrary the controversy arose when after assuming power Banda Singh Bahadur started issuing proclamations in the style of a Guru or in his name .
Then why he was in Nanded? If his mindset was that narrow as you allude
What's him not anointing anybody from outside his family as Guru got to do with his being in Nanded ? He was also fighting an existential war against Zebu langda & the Mughals having lost all his sons & mother to this war. Quite obviously he wasn't safe in the Punjab.
It could also be total dedication to Guru prevented him doing so. Not every Chela desires Guru Gaddi
Who knows ? OTOH if the Guru wanted to anoint him as his successor he'd have done so publicly.
Yes As I said infighting for Guru Gaddi was always there. Banda Bahadur decided to concentrate on Larger Goal at hand first.
That didn't prevent a section of his followers from being alienated to the point of deserting him , one of the major reasons for his defeat & capture at the hands of the Mughals.
According to costume and Naam and some customs he looked like. But but with some customs he did not look like. Dhuni, Brahmin's like Ear Peircing. Non Circum - and extolling Bahgvat Puran and Vishnu Sahsranaam. Calling His Residence as Dwaramayi and celebrating Raam Navami inside Masjid - do you think any Muslim would have done so?
He read the Namaz . What more do you want ? Having said that he belongs to that breed of Muslims peers who're not into proselytization . What's more they've reached a certain degree of enlightenment that the religion of their followers or the fact that they invite him to participate in their festivities which he obliges to doesn't bother him a bit.
In some ways this is like Guru Nanak Devji except the latter founded a panth & left a successor while the former didn't.
Muslims were also there in Amarnath Management earlier - later they vanished too. Happened elsewhere too..
Having government appointed ones is different from being part of the original set up. Sai Samadhi was in a building constructed by one of his Hindu devotees for an entirely different purpose till he expressed his desire to be buried there. Who else would manage the shrine then ? Today it's a different matter altogether.
Ajmer and Nizam - are strongly considered that once Holy temples existed. Its possible even destruction - Hindus still went and paid respects at same place even after destruction. That tradition just carried out to become what it has today.
Firstly , I haven't come across any claim Nizamuddin has been built atop a temple. It's true of Ajmer. Secondly , how do you explain Hindu pilgrims doing sajda there & offering chaddar. And this isn't unique to these two places , it's an all India phenomenon .
Let the Sikhs deny it .
I am drawing parallels between his teaching and beliefs and Vaishnavism. Many militant thoughts echo each other.
Fair enough.
Look Even Srila Prabhupada said what Guru Nanak said. Eat for Survival. If you need to eat meat for Survival when no other source of food is there then eat meat.
But vegetarianism is still extolled. You dont get meat in Gurudwaras and you cant even take them inside. Some of Amritdhari Sikhs rules have are simply borrowed for Janeudhari Brahmin rules including vegetarianism and not eating Jootha. Y
Yes , the thrust of it is vegetarianism is preferred given most Hindu converts to Sikhi may have been vegetarians themselves or Vaishnavas or both.
just leaving it here
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What's the relevance to the discussion we're having ?
