India Canada Relations

my post was less about assumptions of "goodness of their hearts", rather more about libtard parties(U.S.A democrats, canada liberals, aussie and UK labour ) are more likely into drag themselves into their preferred immigrant group vote bank politics when in govt, as compared to their political opposition ( USA republicans, canada and UK tories and aussie liberals) in their respective countries.
Well , Australia has the Labour Party in power & so does the UK though as far as the latter goes they've just assumed power & needs to be watched over .

Ever since IK Gujral dismissed Robin Cook the Foreign Secretary in the late 1990s during the Labour Party's reign forceful offer to directly mediate between India & Paxtan in the Kashmir issue at the height of terrorism there by referring to the UK as a 3rd rate power & then denying it , the message went home.

They still act up a bit every now & then but not as much as the Canadians did . In fact my entire point is Turdeau is an outlier . I doubt anybody in the Liberal Party in his place would've gone to the extent he has.
 
Well , Australia has the Labour Party in power & so does the UK though as far as the latter goes they've just assumed power & needs to be watched over .

Ever since IK Gujral dismissed Robin Cook the Foreign Secretary in the late 1990s during the Labour Party's reign forceful offer to directly mediate between India & Paxtan in the Kashmir issue at the height of terrorism there by referring to the UK as a 3rd rate power & then denying it , the message went home.

They still act up a bit every now & then but not as much as the Canadians did . In fact my entire point is Turdeau is an outlier . I doubt anybody in the Liberal Party in his place would've gone to the extent he has.

He has calculated it as being compartmentalized.
See it's all well and good, till India decides to spill this over into dhandho.

Not actual dhandho i mean of which there is little, but the export of our students and treasure into Kanedian colleges and universities.
 
It is pointless to consider any rapprochement is possible in India- Canada-US relations. The Canadian Trudeau is a door mat for American anti Indian policies. It is America who provided all the intelligence information to Canada which in legal terms is worthless. Hence, Trudeau of Canada acted recklessly. People don’t like him anymore hence his and Biden policies exit is round the corner.

This onslaught for the last two years by both Trudeau and Biden was to bend India not to buy Russian oil without offering American oil at that price. This effort failed.

Just as Biden was about to do more damage, Indian Prime Minister came out with a master stroke to bring peace to Ukraine. His peace formula found good audience in Ukraine and Russia and finally US was forced to listen to Modi and put a hold on any more damage Biden could do to India in form of supply and technology withhold.

In next two weeks, Biden and his operative Blinken won’t be around. Some respite until new president takes over….. good riddance.

Biden’s door mat Trudeau will also be gone sooner than later.
 
He has calculated it as being compartmentalized.
See it's all well and good, till India decides to spill this over into dhandho.
It's not . Jaishankar has recently rather proudly declared that people to people contact & trade remain unaffected . Incumbent GoI doesn't want to escalate the issue. Said as much a few days back .

For what we've undertaken is what even a tiny country like Papua & New Guinea would do if subjected to the same treatment. Turdeau for all his faults has sized us up rather well.

Not actual dhandho i mean of which there is little, but the export of our students and treasure into Kanedian colleges and universities.
Canada's already restricting intake of students internationally especially from India . Besides the charm of Canada always was you could get in easily on a study visa , work low wage jobs to support yourself & once you completed your education you qualified for permanent residence permit.

With rentals sky rocketing , a multitude of education scams with dodgy or non existent universities popping up , crime rates escalating & the economy crashing that Canadian dream seems over .

I came across a slew of articles wherein people who've graduated are now ineligible for permanent residence permits & were expected to leave Canada within a stipulated time period by the authorities setting deadlines.
 
It's not . Jaishankar has recently rather proudly declared that people to people contact & trade remain unaffected . Incumbent GoI doesn't want to escalate the issue. Said as much a few days back .

For what we've undertaken is what even a tiny country like Papua & New Guinea would do if subjected to the same treatment. Turdeau for all his faults has sized us up rather well.

This is what i meant, Trudeau has decided that we'll (((compartmentalize))) this drama and not go after dhandho.
Which is what happens.
Now when the next part of this drama releases in 2025 he'll apply sanctions on India and govt will again do some "retaliation".

By contrast after Galwan ambush the govt atleast banned their apps and went with the danda after their tax-evading mobile phone merchant companies and prevented further (((investment))) and (((market entry))) of cheenq companies while Cheeni was asking us to (((compartmentalize))) the border issue.
 
"The issues raised by the Canadian newspaper, if proven true, highlight the starkly different messaging by Prime Minister Justin Trudeau when it comes to allegations of Chinese interference, as compared to the same by India."

"While appearing before the Foreign Interference Commission on 16 October, Trudeau attempted to downplay alleged instances of Chinese diplomats targeting Canadian MPs as “what diplomats do”."

"At the same hearing, he said a “criminal leaked classified information” to The Globe and Mail on alleged instances of Chinese interference in domestic elections, while his own senior officials were briefing American reporters about alleged Indian meddling."

 
He has calculated it as being compartmentalized.
See it's all well and good, till India decides to spill this over into dhandho.

Not actual dhandho i mean of which there is little, but the export of our students and treasure into Kanedian colleges and universities.

First off, the first rule of international politics, is that Izzat matters less than concrete gains. Never ever EVER jeopardize a positive trade relation due to 'izzat' issues. At the current time, India gains FAR MORE through Indo-Canadian trade than Canada.
Basically, India is Britain and Canada is British Raj India as far as trade goes - we get shit tons of raw materials, such as food ( a lot of Indian daal comes from Canada) and in return we export to them finished goods and people.
These people send home approx 5-7 billion USD per annum as remittances, which is revenue for India.
FYI, India's total reimttences is around 50 billion from USA, 40 billion from middle east and rest of the world ( mostly AUS,Canada,Singapore and western Europe) make up the rest 30 billion, of which Canada contributes around 5-7.

Also, the nature of anti-immigration in Canada is very different than USA/UK. Whereas in US/UK the conservative voters poll at around 60-70% for 'keep UK/USA white', in Canada that number is around 10%.

However, like the French, Canadians are FAR more sensitive towards cost pressures translating to political impetus than rest of Anglodom and the main gripe of Canadians is, housing construction hasnt kept pace with immigration levels, driving costs up by 100-150% in the last 20 years. That is a huge thing, if a house doubles in price across the board inside a generation, because it means what you did to buy a house will no longer work for your children.

The internal hub-dub in Canada, particularly from PP is how to supercharge the housing market, to create oversupply like Finland did. Once we figure this out, immigration is back on track ( not that it has been severely curbed, they basically undid the post-covid raises, bringing the numbers back down to pre-2019 levels, which still makes it per capita one of the most heavily immigrated western nations).

Reality is, Canada cannot shy away from immigration and even the racist Canadians know this. This is because Canada is a very expensive country to live in, with significant overhead costs of infrastructure in middle of nowhere. The 'project western & Central Canada' hasnt reached 50% of its goal from 100 years ago, btw. yes, Canadians are butthurt about the golden horseshoe being totally unaffordable to live in, but most have come to realize that it makes sense for most immigrants to come try to live in the most heavily populated part of Canada in their initial years ( and a significant % choosing to live there permanently).
But reality is, Canada has plenty of free land available and every single Canadian govt. is gonna maximize its internal revnue and external trade by getting people to settle in said land. The drive for immigration in Canada comes from and ALWAYS has come from the administrative need to increase tax base, while incentivizing people to colonize lands that are literally Dr. Jekyll + Mr. Hyde to live in ( Canada isnt Dubai, where its generally shitty outside but you learn to deal quicky because hot is not that hot in night with breeze but -20 to -40 in winter is cold ALWAYS and hell as hell can be but in the other six months a year, canada is nearly paradise to live in).
Canada wants to get back on track as main immigration destination, in anglosphere, a title it lost to Australia around mid 20-teens IIRC.

But bottomline is, canadian gripe with immigration is to do with the mechanics of it that affects them, rather than good old white racist conservatism. That boat has sailed from Canada and a significant % of white racists who were rich have moved to the US already - they know that Canada, even if it stopped taking a single non-white guy in future, will end up > 50% non-white by 2075. Coz whites here ALSO breed at a much slower rate than non-whites ( including chinkus,but especially pinoys, us and A-raaabs, who all make it a mission in life to have at least 3,2 and 3 kids per family. (whites, like bhadralok bongs, tend to have like a huge % of 1 kid families, at least 33-40% of them are 1 kid family, while less than 50% whites make kids).

This reality hasnt hit the US yet, because US racist whites have a much bigger actual pool to pay with ( in demographic races, % matter less and less in immigration heavy societies to actual raw numbers) - USA has 200 million+ white people and a significant % of Latinos who come ( particularly from may-hee-co and ar-hen-tina or Brazil) tend to be white/white-passing and US 'racial demographics', is much more secure for another 2-3 generations than the smaller populated white nations are.
So the dynamics are quite different to keep in mind.

India and indian view towards Canada should be very different than it is towards YOU-rope and Murrica, with perhaps only Australia being the equivalent : Vast lands to be colonized, plant long term cultural and geopolitical seeds as the main long term goal, with the short term goal being 'any trade = good trade'.

This is our 2nd chance in history to do a ' Suvarnabhumi' colonization like SE Asia was in the 100s CE-1000 CE period. The Chinese did the same from around 1300s-1800s fyi, taking a pause in the post-imperial period till about late 1980s. And they are doing the same now.

Treat Canada like China treats Canada - like an idiot-child who acts oversmart but you are still its boss and you still get something out of it that benefits u far more than it benefits Canada, so just ignore the fucker and take sharp pointed stick at chosen points.

Reality is, these kinds of incidents will continue and finger-pointing WILL continue as long as govt. of RoI acts docile and reactive, instead of proactive.

Canada isnt averse to messing with China and trying to arrest the Chinese equivalent of a aunty-fied Adani and shipping her off to Murrica as '' bali ki bakree for Trumpwah' is doing far more than it has done to India with this 'you killed someone here, Waaaah!!!!!' type of nautanki fyi.
What did China do ?
Instantly activated chinese lobby in Vancouver to buy time, then within 48 hrs, arrested two high profile Canadians in China - both businessmen but in one's case, a retired Canadian foreign service staff dude - in jail, on charges of espionage and bribery. the OLDEST facking charge in the book to say 'fuck ur agents now' that you know will stick, because spies are there to spy and if you throw a few obvious ones ( even if relatively harmless ones) under the bus, its an ACTUAL ungli up your butt, than just words and threats to do so.

The basic doctrine of 5 eyes/NATO is very simple.
America needs to maintain the ' benevolent vidhaataa' image. So American gets its paltu kuttas like Canada, Australia, UK,etc. to probe its enemies like China, Russia, India, etc. on weaknesses. This is such a probe.
So how do you get the aggro asshole dog of your asshole neighbour to stop barking and threatening to bite and run, while your neighbour watches ? You beat the dog to a pulp in a fast and quick manner to the point that the dog is stunned and the neighbout retrieves their dog to safety. China has done this.
India is yet to do this. That, is the bottomline.
 
"Beyond his onetime vocal advocacy for an independent Khalistan, Malik was a prominent businessman, serving as president of the Surrey-based Khalsa Credit Union and chairman of the private Khalsa School, supervising its campuses in Surrey and Vancouver. In more recent years, he had seemed to make amends with the government of India."


 


 
First off, the first rule of international politics, is that Izzat matters less than concrete gains. Never ever EVER jeopardize a positive trade relation due to 'izzat' issues. At the current time, India gains FAR MORE through Indo-Canadian trade than Canada.
Basically, India is Britain and Canada is British Raj India as far as trade goes - we get shit tons of raw materials, such as food ( a lot of Indian daal comes from Canada) and in return we export to them finished goods and people.
These people send home approx 5-7 billion USD per annum as remittances, which is revenue for India.
FYI, India's total reimttences is around 50 billion from USA, 40 billion from middle east and rest of the world ( mostly AUS,Canada,Singapore and western Europe) make up the rest 30 billion, of which Canada contributes around 5-7.

Also, the nature of anti-immigration in Canada is very different than USA/UK. Whereas in US/UK the conservative voters poll at around 60-70% for 'keep UK/USA white', in Canada that number is around 10%.

However, like the French, Canadians are FAR more sensitive towards cost pressures translating to political impetus than rest of Anglodom and the main gripe of Canadians is, housing construction hasnt kept pace with immigration levels, driving costs up by 100-150% in the last 20 years. That is a huge thing, if a house doubles in price across the board inside a generation, because it means what you did to buy a house will no longer work for your children.

The internal hub-dub in Canada, particularly from PP is how to supercharge the housing market, to create oversupply like Finland did. Once we figure this out, immigration is back on track ( not that it has been severely curbed, they basically undid the post-covid raises, bringing the numbers back down to pre-2019 levels, which still makes it per capita one of the most heavily immigrated western nations).

Reality is, Canada cannot shy away from immigration and even the racist Canadians know this. This is because Canada is a very expensive country to live in, with significant overhead costs of infrastructure in middle of nowhere. The 'project western & Central Canada' hasnt reached 50% of its goal from 100 years ago, btw. yes, Canadians are butthurt about the golden horseshoe being totally unaffordable to live in, but most have come to realize that it makes sense for most immigrants to come try to live in the most heavily populated part of Canada in their initial years ( and a significant % choosing to live there permanently).
But reality is, Canada has plenty of free land available and every single Canadian govt. is gonna maximize its internal revnue and external trade by getting people to settle in said land. The drive for immigration in Canada comes from and ALWAYS has come from the administrative need to increase tax base, while incentivizing people to colonize lands that are literally Dr. Jekyll + Mr. Hyde to live in ( Canada isnt Dubai, where its generally shitty outside but you learn to deal quicky because hot is not that hot in night with breeze but -20 to -40 in winter is cold ALWAYS and hell as hell can be but in the other six months a year, canada is nearly paradise to live in).
Canada wants to get back on track as main immigration destination, in anglosphere, a title it lost to Australia around mid 20-teens IIRC.

But bottomline is, canadian gripe with immigration is to do with the mechanics of it that affects them, rather than good old white racist conservatism. That boat has sailed from Canada and a significant % of white racists who were rich have moved to the US already - they know that Canada, even if it stopped taking a single non-white guy in future, will end up > 50% non-white by 2075. Coz whites here ALSO breed at a much slower rate than non-whites ( including chinkus,but especially pinoys, us and A-raaabs, who all make it a mission in life to have at least 3,2 and 3 kids per family. (whites, like bhadralok bongs, tend to have like a huge % of 1 kid families, at least 33-40% of them are 1 kid family, while less than 50% whites make kids).

This reality hasnt hit the US yet, because US racist whites have a much bigger actual pool to pay with ( in demographic races, % matter less and less in immigration heavy societies to actual raw numbers) - USA has 200 million+ white people and a significant % of Latinos who come ( particularly from may-hee-co and ar-hen-tina or Brazil) tend to be white/white-passing and US 'racial demographics', is much more secure for another 2-3 generations than the smaller populated white nations are.
So the dynamics are quite different to keep in mind.

India and indian view towards Canada should be very different than it is towards YOU-rope and Murrica, with perhaps only Australia being the equivalent : Vast lands to be colonized, plant long term cultural and geopolitical seeds as the main long term goal, with the short term goal being 'any trade = good trade'.

This is our 2nd chance in history to do a ' Suvarnabhumi' colonization like SE Asia was in the 100s CE-1000 CE period. The Chinese did the same from around 1300s-1800s fyi, taking a pause in the post-imperial period till about late 1980s. And they are doing the same now.

Treat Canada like China treats Canada - like an idiot-child who acts oversmart but you are still its boss and you still get something out of it that benefits u far more than it benefits Canada, so just ignore the fucker and take sharp pointed stick at chosen points.

Reality is, these kinds of incidents will continue and finger-pointing WILL continue as long as govt. of RoI acts docile and reactive, instead of proactive.

Canada isnt averse to messing with China and trying to arrest the Chinese equivalent of a aunty-fied Adani and shipping her off to Murrica as '' bali ki bakree for Trumpwah' is doing far more than it has done to India with this 'you killed someone here, Waaaah!!!!!' type of nautanki fyi.
What did China do ?
Instantly activated chinese lobby in Vancouver to buy time, then within 48 hrs, arrested two high profile Canadians in China - both businessmen but in one's case, a retired Canadian foreign service staff dude - in jail, on charges of espionage and bribery. the OLDEST facking charge in the book to say 'fuck ur agents now' that you know will stick, because spies are there to spy and if you throw a few obvious ones ( even if relatively harmless ones) under the bus, its an ACTUAL ungli up your butt, than just words and threats to do so.

The basic doctrine of 5 eyes/NATO is very simple.
America needs to maintain the ' benevolent vidhaataa' image. So American gets its paltu kuttas like Canada, Australia, UK,etc. to probe its enemies like China, Russia, India, etc. on weaknesses. This is such a probe.
So how do you get the aggro asshole dog of your asshole neighbour to stop barking and threatening to bite and run, while your neighbour watches ? You beat the dog to a pulp in a fast and quick manner to the point that the dog is stunned and the neighbout retrieves their dog to safety. China has done this.
India is yet to do this. That, is the bottomline.
Izzat and trade relations are two different issues. At worst of time WW2 or during the Cold War days, two way trade continued but on reduced scale.

If you are a Bania then money is more important. But if you are a Rajput then Izzaat is more important. Canada has challenged at US behest, India’s Izzaat, then it cannot be left unchallenged. Canada is the same country where Air India flight was blown in the sky with 329 dead in 1985. At that time, Canada took minor action and let the prime culprits escape prosecution. Same is happening now and it cannot be left unchallenged.

As regards to remittance from Canada or Daal from Canada, much of this is for Canada’s benefit too. There is no other market for Daal elsewhere in the world. As regards to remittance, it is the Canadian work that the Indian computer specialists are doing. Without them, Canada industry will grind to a halt.

Hence, leave the monetary aspects aside and deal with the challenge.
 

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