Indian Air Force: News & Discussions

[Suryavanshi]

"Aerospace Is Flagbearer Of India's Manufacturing Push": GE South Asia Chief

Hindustan Aeronautics Limited will soon begin making GE Aerospace's F414 jet engine,Vikram Rai, chief executive of GE Aerospace South Asia, said at the NDTV World Summit on Monday.

www.ndtv.com

Apparently GE has a facility in Pune where the F414 engine will be screwdrivered.

AFAIK, they mostly manufactured products related to Wind turbines.

 

[Miss Firing]

Indian Air Force signs MoU with Uber: Security concerns, data breaches faced by the ride-sharing app and a lesson from Strava​

The multiple data breaches faced by Uber in the past 10 years primarily puts the MoU between the ride-sharing app and the Indian Air Force at risk.


View: https://x.com/IAF_MCC/status/1847117598158385346

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[Ayan Barat]

Indian Air Force signs MoU with Uber: Security concerns, data breaches faced by the ride-sharing app and a lesson from Strava​

The multiple data breaches faced by Uber in the past 10 years primarily puts the MoU between the ride-sharing app and the Indian Air Force at risk.


View: https://x.com/IAF_MCC/status/1847117598158385346

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There's a bit more of a threat than just some hacking or data breach.

There are multiple ways in which you can degrade the air power of your adversary. You can target it before it takes off by destroying runways and hardened shelters. You can destroy it onces it takes off using a plethora of SAMs and AAMs.
But if you share a land border with the adversary and have a competent espionage unit then you can also try the most cost effective method...target the pilots "kinetically". Pilots as considered to be more valuable than an aircraft as it takes months to just get one type certified, atleast an year to be proficient in combat.

Just few days ago GUR found the pilot of one specific Tu-22M3 that was involved in a missile attack on a residential building, tracked and eliminate him...INSIDE Russia.

 

[narasimh]

Indian Air Force signs MoU with Uber: Security concerns, data breaches faced by the ride-sharing app and a lesson from Strava​

The multiple data breaches faced by Uber in the past 10 years primarily puts the MoU between the ride-sharing app and the Indian Air Force at risk.


View: https://x.com/IAF_MCC/status/1847117598158385346

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Why would airforce guys use uber for official travel? During leisure travel they may.. AFAIK air force on-duty phones are diff from personal phones.. if not there are countless other apps on personal phone that can share the data which are worse than uber.. an apple or Google is enough.. data policy is non existent.. Anybody know about our OS if deployed?

 

[Ayan Barat]

Tejas with 2x JDAM-ER training rounds or as colloquially called; Winged JDAM

Spoiler

Also as a bonus we have the weirdest take from...obviously our very own AlphaDefence

Powered-JDAM uses a more robust airframe like structure that wraps around the bomb body to better handle all the forces as opposed to regular JDAM-ER where the wing kit is attached using hardware store like hose connector. Moreover given the fact that it has a turbojet engine and fuel tank, the overall length of Powered-JDAM becomes almost double of the Mark-80 series bomb it's attached to.

And also 80km is pretty much the range of a regular JDAM-ER; for powered JDAM it's almost 500km.

 

[mist_consecutive]

Tejas with 2x JDAM-ER training rounds or as colloquially called; Winged JDAM
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Spoiler

Also as a bonus we have the weirdest take from...obviously our very own AlphaDefence
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Powered-JDAM uses a more robust airframe like structure that wraps around the bomb body to better handle all the forces as opposed to regular JDAM-ER where the wing kit is attached using hardware store like hose connector. Moreover given the fact that it has a turbojet engine and fuel tank, the overall length of Powered-JDAM becomes almost double of the Mark-80 series bomb it's attached to.
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And also 80km is pretty much the range of a regular JDAM-ER; for powered JDAM it's almost 500km.

Plain vanilla winged JDAM, not powered.

 

[Mr.Evil]

Tejas with 2x JDAM-ER training rounds or as colloquially called; Winged JDAM
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Spoiler

Also as a bonus we have the weirdest take from...obviously our very own AlphaDefence
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Powered-JDAM uses a more robust airframe like structure that wraps around the bomb body to better handle all the forces as opposed to regular JDAM-ER where the wing kit is attached using hardware store like hose connector. Moreover given the fact that it has a turbojet engine and fuel tank, the overall length of Powered-JDAM becomes almost double of the Mark-80 series bomb it's attached to.
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And also 80km is pretty much the range of a regular JDAM-ER; for powered JDAM it's almost 500km.

Plain vanilla winged JDAM, not powered.

Spoiler: Sauce

View: https://x.com/connect_rishav/status/1849050948783555009

 

[VictorDelta4]

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Spoiler: Sauce

View: https://x.com/connect_rishav/status/1849050948783555009

Gaurav is still under development/testing phase right?

 

[Ayan Barat]

GODDAMNIT
Tejas Mk-1A with 2x Astra BVRAAM and ELL-8222 self protection jammer

 

[Aaj Ka Hero]

Russia Offered Tu-160 Bombers to India? – Indian Defence Research Wing

idrw.org

It's mentioned by Veteran journalist Unnithan that Russians offered it again.

 

[Blademaster]

Russia Offered Tu-160 Bombers to India? – Indian Defence Research Wing

idrw.org

It's mentioned by Veteran journalist Unnithan that Russians offered it again.

It would have been worth it 25 years ago. Now it’s a piece of junk made obsolete by new SAMs that can easily down these birds. Stealth bombers are the way to go, not supersonic bombers whose speed can be easily overcome by hypersonic long range SAMs.

 

[Vishnugupt]

It would have been worth it 25 years ago. Now it’s a piece of junk made obsolete by new SAMs that can easily down these birds. Stealth bombers are the way to go, not supersonic bombers whose speed can be easily overcome by hypersonic long range SAMs.

These bomber are very useful to launch cruise missile. Nowadays this the only use of these bombers.

 

[Ayan Barat]

These bomber are very useful to launch cruise missile. Nowadays this the only use of these bombers.

Even in that specific use case, bombers are an "expeditionary" weapon; best used when you need to "go somewhere" to attack. Chinese need H-6K so that they can fly it for 3,000km, just outside the Air Defence Zone of US CBGs and launch a swarm of AShMs before quickly turning back. Or the Americans need B-52 that can go 10,000km away to Middle East to fire few JSOWs on a Hamas command centre.

These are some of cases where it makes sense. Every single adversary of ours is at a, to use the technical term...moot du to beh jaaye distance, there's absolutely no sense for us to have a bomber.

The only exception is that if somehow we manage to come up with an extremely stealthy bomber design like B-2 or B-21. Then we can use that to interdict deep into enemy airspace no matter how good ADS they have and drop bombs on HVTs.

 

[VictorDelta4]

The only exception is that if somehow we manage to come up with an extremely stealthy bomber design like B-2 or B-21. Then we can use that to interdict deep into enemy airspace no matter how good ADS they have and drop bombs on HVTs.

Correct me if I am wrong but isnt this role supposed to be taken up by Ghatak/SWiFT?

 

[silentassassin265]

It would have been worth it 25 years ago. Now it’s a piece of junk made obsolete by new SAMs that can easily down these birds. Stealth bombers are the way to go, not supersonic bombers whose speed can be easily overcome by hypersonic long range SAMs.

But do we have stealth bomber? We don't have any bombers at all something will always be better than nothing.
They can still fire cruise missiles even without leaving or borders if we use them against porkies.

 

[Blademaster]

But do we have stealth bomber? We don't have any bombers at all something will always be better than nothing.
They can still fire cruise missiles even without leaving or borders if we use them against porkies.

Not if it's going to be a money pit and those planes are hangar queens. I'd rather have our precious money go into more AMCAs and long range refuelers. That will get us 90% of what we need and far more effective than the Tu-160 bombers will be.

 

[Ayan Barat]

Correct me if I am wrong but isnt this role supposed to be taken up by Ghatak/SWiFT?

Ayyyeee SWiFT...it's just an improvised FTB meant to reduce the developmental time of Ghatak.

As for Ghatak yup, you're absolutely correct. Interdict deep into enemy territory with payload just enough to degrade things like command centre or radars so that full sized attack package of 4.5 gen fighters can come in.

I guess X-47B should be the closest contemporary to Ghatak.

They can still fire cruise missiles even without leaving or borders if we use them against porkies.

So can a 12x12 Tatra truck.
What unique capabilities a non-stealthy bomber would bring to the table?

 

[VictorDelta4]

As for Ghatak yup, you're absolutely correct. Interdict deep into enemy territory with payload just enough to degrade things like command centre or radars so that full sized attack package of 4.5 gen fighters can come in

Well then, we have a bomber at home.

 

[silentassassin265]

So can a 12x12 Tatra truck.
What unique capabilities a non-stealthy bomber would bring to the table?

They do have some good use after SEAD operation is done.
Missile costs a lot so after destroying the air defence we can just send 1 bomber and destroy whole air base instead of sending multiple jets.
It doesn't need be a supersonic one tough.

Regarding the stealth bomber the actual extend of their stealth is still speculative as they have not been used without SEAD operation.

 

[Ayan Barat]

They do have some good use after SEAD operation is done.
Missile costs a lot so after destroying the air defence we can just send 1 bomber and destroy whole air base instead of sending multiple jets.
It doesn't need be a supersonic one tough.

If we're talking about a coup de grace type attack to destroy everything in an environment with degraded ADS and too with a bomber that doesn't need to be strictly supersonic then why bother with a dedicated bomber at all?

The "bomb truck" concept of using transport planes to deliver massive amount of ordnance without any modification seems more justified for roles like this.

Here's one variant of the USAF's ongoing R&D of palletized missile and glide bomb delivery system than can be deployed with any cargo plane with a rear ramp

Regarding the stealth bomber the actual extend of their stealth is still speculative as they have not been used without SEAD operation.

In operation Desert Storm, F-117s were the first of the attack package to enter Iraqi ADZ and at that time Iraq was one of the most defended airspace.