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> We have some 600 or so fighters; ranging from most advanced Rafale to MiG-21s
> Chinese have some 1,300 or so of just Flankers and Firebirds
> Almost 200 Fagins on top of that

Even if we completely ignore 5th gen fighter or technical intricacies like exponentially bigger support fleet...they outnumber us 2:1 by sheer number

What else can we do except fighting with whatever we have
Import 80 Rafale please and IAF shall swear parity achieved for at least 1 year.

China has got that big fleet on the basis of local manufacturing not by importing. Nobody can maintain a China sized air force by importing. With IAF itself setting target for 2047 for complete local IAF - that's indirect realistic answer that IAF cannot achieve parity at least until 2047.
 
> We have some 600 or so fighters; ranging from most advanced Rafale to MiG-21s
> Chinese have some 1,300 or so of just Flankers and Firebirds
> Almost 200 Fagins on top of that

Even if we completely ignore 5th gen fighter or technical intricacies like exponentially bigger support fleet...they outnumber us 2:1 by sheer number

What else can we do except fighting with whatever we have
Yep, that's one thing that worries me the most. We sleep peacefully (i don't understand how) saying that Su-30MKI's are our backbone and we can take on any adversary.

> Our total inventory of Su-30 MKI's is slightly less than or equal to their fleet of just J-11's.

> Equal number of J-16's. And then there are the Electronic version as well.

> Then theres the J-10 fleet.

> Heck their imported fleet of Su-27 family numbers around 50-60 % of our total fleet.

> Yeah, and 2 5th gen planes also numbering around 150-200

> Long range bomber, something we never look into.

* We have non-Aesa MKI's, some with only half their life left.
* Jaguars which have trouble just taking off
* M2K which form our backbone but are on the verge of their lives.
* mig-29, don't know what's their exact purpose
* Samosa Tejas, which lets admit, is an interceptor. That's it
* 2 squadrons of the rafales. Yeah we'll win wars with just 2 squadrons.

We can handle "conflicts" but it's really sad to say, that the outcome of any "war", like a fullscale one probably won't be in our favour if we strictly consider the role of air forces of both nations
 
Bhaiyo I have always wondered about this. Maybe your opinions can clear this up.

There is no way Russia will remain even the shell of the defence exporting giant it once used to be. Its biggest casualty will be their fighter jet manufacturers, right ?

I mean except for Iran and Egypt, i haven't heard of any nation saying they'll buy russian planes.

So, i know how peace loving and non-confrontational we are, but cant we aggressively lobby so that we can manufacture more Su-30MKI's and pull something like what china pulled with J-11 and J-16 (not completely copying them without Russia's permission). This can be considered follow on for the MKI fleet and not MRFA ?

Any thoughts or has this been discussed in the past ?
 
Bhaiyo I have always wondered about this. Maybe your opinions can clear this up.

There is no way Russia will remain even the shell of the defence exporting giant it once used to be. Its biggest casualty will be their fighter jet manufacturers, right ?

I mean except for Iran and Egypt, i haven't heard of any nation saying they'll buy russian planes.

So, i know how peace loving and non-confrontational we are, but cant we aggressively lobby so that we can manufacture more Su-30MKI's and pull something like what china pulled with J-11 and J-16 (not completely copying them without Russia's permission). This can be considered follow on for the MKI fleet and not MRFA ?

Any thoughts or has this been discussed in the past ?
What's completely non-existent in terms of indigenous aviation industry? Support platforms.

Majority of our heavy lift, both fixed and rotary, is US dependent (C-17, C-130J and CH-47). What's not US based suffers from serious spare parts scarcity (Il-76). We have plans for Tejas Mk-2, Naval one, AMCA but for transport, it's nill. NAL Saras is a saga in itself.

And despite this did we bother buying Embraer when it was dying for someone to take it for just $5 billion?
Imagine local production of C-390. Competing with C-130J in export markets. Imagine the local sales of civilian ERJ or E-Jet family considering the rise in low cost carriers here. And its export too. But perhaps most importantly, imagine all the patents, years of R&D, scientists, TDPs.

We bought 31 Predators for $4 billion.

It was bit of a weird tangent, but I hope you got your answer.
 
Bhaiyo I have always wondered about this. Maybe your opinions can clear this up.

There is no way Russia will remain even the shell of the defence exporting giant it once used to be. Its biggest casualty will be their fighter jet manufacturers, right ?

I mean except for Iran and Egypt, i haven't heard of any nation saying they'll buy russian planes.

So, i know how peace loving and non-confrontational we are, but cant we aggressively lobby so that we can manufacture more Su-30MKI's and pull something like what china pulled with J-11 and J-16 (not completely copying them without Russia's permission). This can be considered follow on for the MKI fleet and not MRFA ?

Any thoughts or has this been discussed in the past ?

We'll still need Roosi engines, don't know about the other stuff that goes in Su30 MKI and our capabilities to manufacture them.

What's completely non-existent in terms of indigenous aviation industry? Support platforms.

Majority of our heavy lift, both fixed and rotary, is US dependent (C-17, C-130J and CH-47). What's not US based suffers from serious spare parts scarcity (Il-76). We have plans for Tejas Mk-2, Naval one, AMCA but for transport, it's nill. NAL Saras is a saga in itself.

And despite this did we bother buying Embraer when it was dying for someone to take it for just $5 billion?
Imagine local production of C-390. Competing with C-130J in export markets. Imagine the local sales of civilian ERJ or E-Jet family considering the rise in low cost carriers here. And its export too. But perhaps most importantly, imagine all the patents, years of R&D, scientists, TDPs.

We bought 31 Predators for $4 billion.

It was bit of a weird tangent, but I hope you got your answer.

Agree on the lack of attention paid to transport but any Embraer purchase would be blocked by Uncle Sam for the obvious reasons, or even if it went through there would be other sabotage.

At the end of the day the Imported Air Force only wants Malai and the GoI sees haseen sapne of good economies and dhandho maxxxing while burying it's head in the sand like an Ostrich.

Just pray that China finally finding it's balls and the Pakeez coming out of kangali don't happen at the same time.
 
If true, something sensible is being done to mitigate delays in Mk2. India should be able to get these aircraft for next to nothing. Even if only good for spares, they would help keep IAF's Jaguars flying longer.


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What's the point of "Ground Attack" Aircraft when IAF has to deal with 200 plus J-20 and 1000 Flanker copies in Air? There is no usage of Ground Attack Aircraft when you don't achieve parity in Air.
 
What's the point of "Ground Attack" Aircraft when IAF has to deal with 200 plus J-20 and 1000 Flanker copies in Air? There is no usage of Ground Attack Aircraft when you don't achieve parity in Air.

You have a point but we won't be facing all of China's stock in a war, most of their stock will still be kept away incase of a Free & Democratic attack on their precious coast and most of their cities which are on the coast.
 
What's the point of "Ground Attack" Aircraft when IAF has to deal with 200 plus J-20 and 1000 Flanker copies in Air? There is no usage of Ground Attack Aircraft when you don't achieve parity in Air.
Few spare parts to keep the small fleet airworthy. Why keep the small fleet you ask?
Well someone should be there to break some Geneva Conventions Suggestions
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On a serious note, Jaguars with CBU-97s would be one of our primary weapons against Pakistani armoured formations; everything from tanks to SHORADS can be absolutely massacred in minutes
 
Few spare parts to keep the small fleet airworthy. Why keep the small fleet you ask?
Well someone should be there to break some Geneva Conventions Suggestions
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On a serious note, Jaguars with CBU-97s would be one of our primary weapons against Pakistani armoured formations; everything from tanks to SHORADS can be absolutely massacred in minutes
That badass aircraft got AESA radar before Mig29 and Su-30. Heck yeah we gonna use it till it's last breath. Just slap some GaN jammer and wingtop missiles.
 
That badass aircraft got AESA radar before Mig29 and Su-30. Heck yeah we gonna use it till it's last breath. Just slap some GaN jammer and wingtop missiles.
Why shy away!? You can easily go full on Growler mode with them.

A big multi-band jammer on centreline pylon, 2x EFTs on inboards, 2x Rudram-1 on outboards and 2x ASRAAM on overwing.
 
In light of recent developments in the space sector w.r.t military applications, I propose setting up a separate thread documenting all possible activities, missions, assets and acquisitions of our trilateral Defense Space Agency.

Will that be good?
 
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