Indian Air Force: News & Discussions

I think this euphoria around F-35 will die down in a week to 10 days time as there are huge reservations on both sides.

As per the joint statement the US has already set Stryker/Javelin/P-8I for this year's "hegemon tax" quota.

India is a non serious nation... I have repeatedly said... without a military humiliation that cannot be media managed (like Balakot & Ladakh) nothing positive is going to happen.

Modi has remained(for the most part) undefeated in elections... he is writing the script for his defeat on the battlefield with all his humongous delusions like Vasudhaiva kutumbkam, yudh nahi... buddha, not an era of war etc.

He wishes to become taller than Nehru... he will get a worse defeat than Nehru got in 1962.
 
It is better to buy an F-35 and have access to the latest hardware and software. It is a force multiplier and other nuances vis a vis its capabilities can be discussed in length but from where I am seeing, it has the following way of looking at it.

The F-35s can be kept isolated from offensive operations and strategic strike assets. It is like air-gapping them from mainstream doctrine and having a separate operational doctrine for F-35 for defensive purposes and support missions.

The debate is lost in technical aspects, running costs, and attached strings.

But looking at Indian posturing vis-a-vis China it is already very defensive. No way India is going to upset the status quo on the contrary it will try to avoid climbing the escalation ladder even if there is higher attrition on our side.

Furthermore, the risk of nuclear exchange will be a big contributor to quickly deescalate. I mean by the time you assign ground targets to IAF and load jets there will be de-escalation.

The InA posturing is showing no capabilities of being an invasion force.

A few other points suggest India is more focused on reactionary actions than preemptive ones.

The intent of the F35 is SEAD. It has to be the tip of the spear. If we keep them isolated wouldn't that defeat purpose? Then our 3rd, 4th, 4.5th gen aircraft would have to fight in a highly contested airspace. In such a scenario, there will be casualties/POWs and then the whole cabal of experts/opposition/peaceniks go into randirona mode all over!!
 
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Pakistan bitchslapped IAF out of the sky & paraded around blindfolded, because when Jf-17 was in similar shaky status as Tejas at early 2010s... They backed it with their full force & inducted 50 without BVRs, while ours called it a 3-legged chertah.
And today IAF has to celebrate barely surviving AAMs from an inferior Air Force & make face-saving claims that literally noone other than Indian civilians were fooled by.

Combat is an extension of politics & policies.
Your point is valid if you think we have only one enemy , but the major problem is not Pakistan but dragon in the north
Can you fight against them with sub standard jets ? That would be sending pilots to die without adequate missiles ..
Again designing and making jets do not come under IAF
And now when IAF has taken leap of faith and have given 100% behind Tejas it's now up to HAL to make it deliver as promised ..this is HAL and only HAL blame to take ..
 
In the wake of the ACM's comments regarding HAL, this debate is worth a listen


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbQn1mlkaDw

Again, people here keep on defending the HAL, and blaming Airforce preferring import over indigenous. But airforce is asking for competition in manufacturing the same aircraft and breaking the monopoly.

Here people keep on saying that private industry cannot do it or they only go after profit or not willing to do.

1 HAL didn’t put its money in the beginning it was the government who gave them funding. How can you except private company to put their own money. They need to be assured cost + profit or no private player will come in

2 It will take private sector some time to get things working, it took so many year and still HAL is not able to deliver, atleast the private contractors they won’t take as much time as HAL did but there are going to be some challenges for them as well.

3 if we have some competition then there will be better accountability from Hal. May the better one get the order. HAL will be on it toes if they don’t deliver, they can loose order.

4 It they give one assembly line now to a private sector company it might take them 15 years to mature and when it come time to manufacture ACMA, they will read to challenge HAL at that time. But for that the investment need to happen now.
 
I think this euphoria around F-35 will die down in a week to 10 days time as there are huge reservations on both sides.

As per the joint statement the US has already set Stryker/Javelin/P-8I for this year's "hegemon tax" quota.

India is a non serious nation... I have repeatedly said... without a military humiliation that cannot be media managed (like Balakot & Ladakh) nothing positive is going to happen.

Modi has remained(for the most part) undefeated in elections... he is writing the script for his defeat on the battlefield with all his humongous delusions like Vasudhaiva kutumbkam, yudh nahi... buddha, not an era of war etc.

He wishes to become taller than Nehru... he will get a worse defeat than Nehru got in 1962.

Well he was gungho at the time of Balakot but when the pilot was shot down and he was forced to restrain any further military response, I do not think he has much faith in the armed forces' ability to end a fight on India's terms. He's pushing for reforms but he can't do everything himself. He needs to find another avatar of the late Manihar Parrihar to tame MoD and control the armed forces, especially the foreign lobby.
 
I'd argue that we've lost whatever time we had to prepare for the upcoming war against China. That window closed last year.

It has been a regular feature in Indian history that after every few decades or atleast once in a century India becomes "ripe" for invasion. Due to certain philosophies and political constructs the situation keeps emerging... there hasn't been a single century in the last 10... when India wasn't invaded... the success of the invader can vary.
 
But airforce is asking for competition in manufacturing the same aircraft and breaking the monopoly.
Same aircraft ?
Private players won't enter into manufacturing "unproven" tech because they've seen Imported Airforce giving piece meal orders of LCA, So instead of betting on domestic product they will happily Collab with LM for F21 manufacturing.
 
Should buy 15-20 of this one, 60+ cargo capacity, reliability matches c17, modern, cheaper than c17, plus c17 lines closed.
Instead of 80+mta.
15-20 of these, and 40-50 of Brazilian c390.
Much better than
40-60 a400m or 60-80 c390.
Also upgrade the current ill76 to this standard
 

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I think this euphoria around F-35 will die down in a week to 10 days time as there are huge reservations on both sides.

As per the joint statement the US has already set Stryker/Javelin/P-8I for this year's "hegemon tax" quota.

India is a non serious nation... I have repeatedly said... without a military humiliation that cannot be media managed (like Balakot & Ladakh) nothing positive is going to happen.

Modi has remained(for the most part) undefeated in elections... he is writing the script for his defeat on the battlefield with all his humongous delusions like Vasudhaiva kutumbkam, yudh nahi... buddha, not an era of war etc.

He wishes to become taller than Nehru... he will get a worse defeat than Nehru got in 1962.

The only way we can keep up with China in a major war is to mass produce weapons at home.

Modi is ensuring that with doubling down on lca mk1a and mk2 .
By having capacity to build 24 jets per annum in peacetime. Which can be ramped to 30+ during war time.

Similarly he is multiplying our ammunition and artillery building capacity by involving private sector in multiple orders.

But it takes time .
 
Should buy 15-20 of this one, 60+ cargo capacity, reliability matches c17, modern, cheaper than c17, plus c17 lines closed.
Instead of 80+mta.
15-20 of these, and 40-50 of Brazilian c390.
Much better than
40-60 a400m or 60-80 c390.
Also upgrade the current ill76 to this standard
IL 76 platform main problem is narrower width than IL 76. You really need to strip tanks when you want to transport tanks to Frontline especially in himalayas.
 
Have you checked the news recently?


View: https://x.com/TheLegateIN/status/1873000117315481885


View: https://x.com/DrSJaishankar/status/1872802352178360583

H.R.4312 - To enhance the eligibility of India for Foreign Military Sales and exports under the Arms Export Control Act.



Told you guys. F 35 is on the menu.
“We are also paving the way to ultimately provide India with F-35 stealth fighters,” Mr. Trump said. The leaders pledged to accelerate defence technology cooperation across Space, air defence, missile, maritime and undersea domains, with the U.S. announcing a review of its policy on releasing fifth-generation fighters and undersea systems to India, the joint statement said.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.th...ighter-jets-to-india/article69217934.ece/amp/

I also distinctly remember telling everyone that only US manufactured munitions would be allowed for integration onto any Indian F 35.

View: https://x.com/TheLegateIN/status/1890596446254088582
 
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Again, people here keep on defending the HAL, and blaming Airforce preferring import over indigenous. But airforce is asking for competition in manufacturing the same aircraft and breaking the monopoly.

Here people keep on saying that private industry cannot do it or they only go after profit or not willing to do.

1 HAL didn’t put its money in the beginning it was the government who gave them funding. How can you except private company to put their own money. They need to be assured cost + profit or no private player will come in

2 It will take private sector some time to get things working, it took so many year and still HAL is not able to deliver, atleast the private contractors they won’t take as much time as HAL did but there are going to be some challenges for them as well.

3 if we have some competition then there will be better accountability from Hal. May the better one get the order. HAL will be on it toes if they don’t deliver, they can loose order.

4 It they give one assembly line now to a private sector company it might take them 15 years to mature and when it come time to manufacture ACMA, they will read to challenge HAL at that time. But for that the investment need to happen now.
The root is the deteriorations in education. No one is interested in research. Neither students-teachers, nor government. Metallurgy nowhere stands. That's why till the date unable to develop engine for Jets. Further, the Import lobby who gets kicks. They don't want indigenous products. A never ending loop is going on.
 
Told you guys. F 35 is on the menu.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.th...ighter-jets-to-india/article69217934.ece/amp/

I also distinctly remember telling everyone that only US manufactured munitions would be allowed for integration onto any Indian F 35.

View: https://x.com/TheLegateIN/status/1890596446254088582

So, to be clear, the F35 was on soft offer since 2014 I'd say. This is a proper formal proposal for the first time.

IAF was always keen on the F35 for obvious reasons, and we will never see Blk 4 offered to us - which again is fine - you cant expect India to export Hypersonic AShM to the US either.

What GoI and IAF had been sticking to was the rights to modify the F35 to enable it to be integrated to the AFNET (very critical) and then to use Indian developed and stockpiled weapons - so Python, Derby, Meteor, ASRAAM, SAAW, etc etc etc

The AFNET thing is also what the US DoD is panicked about because S400 is also connected to the same network.

Apparently, we have demonstrated to the USAF that the S400 is not bugged with Russian backdoors, and thus compromise wont happen - during the first B1 bomber exercise here.

How easy would it be to now get through the US govt this proposal is unknown at the moment.

But F35 is happening. We might see purchases of some other combat aircraft also. USN is decommissioning its first EA18G squadron - those were land based only and could be a very lucrative cheap way to get lethal EA capabilities.
 
If we discuss just aircrafts then...

• Engine technology : Absolutely YES but would be almost impossible to get to the levels we actually want. Engine tech is like a philosopher's stone; you sell it to someone and from that day onwards he never comes to you for buying gold.

• C-17 : Badly needed because there isn't much of international analogue nor can I think of an indigenous alternative anytime sooner. Compared to a fighter that might never see any combat during its whole service life, these are needed on "daily basis" from evacuation during floods to oxygen transport to acting as a mobile hospital.
But the problem is, it'll be a hella tough job to get these economically because of line closure.

• C-130J-30 : Would be good from logistical point of view as we already operate them. But if the ultimate value for cost is becoming too irrational then we always have C-390s.

• AH-64E : Not just totally not-required but even the Army order for 6 should be scrapped. But that's just one part of the coin, the other's HCH. We just can't cancel Apache and keep sitting on LCH that's yet to test ATGM; we'll have to rapidly field a HCH.

• F-35B : Bit iffy service record but most importantly, would burn the deck of our carriers. So it's better avoided.

• F-35A : Good plane but would require either a modification with fuselage section from C to accomodate probe-n-drogue refueling or we'll have to get dedicated boom refuellers for just two planes (P-8 and F-35)

• F-35C : On paper perhaps the best variant with good range and refuelling capability. Might also take-off from carrier with internal air-to-air load.
All the kill switch and "US will know everything" is just BS because to prevent Iran from flying their F-14s the most logical thing US found to do was to destroyer its whole fleet. And when one F-35 vanished then it took them a considerable time and also embarrassment to find it when it theory they could have used all those kill switches and backdoors and what not. The biggest REALISTIC problem with F-35s would be the integration of local subsystems and availability of spares. Imagine wating for a bunch of cocaine snorting, retarded congressman to pass your request for AMRAAM when China is actively attacking all the while having a full-fledged assembly line for much cheaper Astra Mk-II.

• F-16/15/18/21 : We don't need any; have analogue for all of them.

• P-8Is : It would be good if we get few pieces because these have shown great service record but the fact is these are slowly on their way to obsolescence because of UAVs.

• Refueler/AWACS/ELIT : Naah, not required. Maybe just a subsystem or two incase it really is a wunderwaffen.

• F-22 : 🥺

• UAVs : Can be good for stop-gap measures, especially higher end ones like Avenger. But this too can easily be done locally.

• EW platforms like Growler : Absolutely needed by as, we are nowhere in SEAD/DEAD. But the problem is that these are extremely confidential systems, maybe even more than F-35s.
 
With the arrival of Tejas MK1A and Tejas MK2 by 2028, the likelihood of importing large numbers of 4th-generation fighter jets is zero. possibility of importing a 5th-generation fighter jet like F-35 remains open.
 
Well Well Well.

If we are going to acquire F-35. This new kid should learn some manners.
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Then new kid should meet his family.

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Meet the family Patriarch, grumpy old man MIG-21. 70 years old but still sprint like Usain bolt.


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Meet the second oldest grandpa. Jaguar, can pound the ground. Unfortunately, suffering an heart problem which is not pumping at full capacity. Heart Transplant was planned but the donor Honeywell is not doing the operation.


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Meet Uncle Dmitri. He release black smoke to confuse enemies. Carries an Hump to store extra Russian Vodka.


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This is Uncle Louise, Born in France. He is an Expert Nuclear Weapons Dealer.


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Meet Uncle Sergei. Gym Body and bulkiest of all. Uncle can handle dishes made in France, Israel and Indian. Currently training with new toys.

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This is uncle Macron. Relative to Uncle Louise. He is the most tech focused Uncle we ever seen. Have variety of gadgets.


Finally, meet the youngest son. We don't have great opinion of him. Least favorite for his parent. Trying to impress with some shady stunts.

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He is your cousin Tejas, we call him Samosa. Not the brightest lot. Took 25 years to learn new things. We don't like him since he is not getting more marks than opposite house Sharma sir ka beta.




We are welcoming you wholeheartedly to this family.
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Make a collage of these & share on socia media so that it reaches news channels. :LOL::ROFLMAO:📡🛰️📺📲💻🖥️
 

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