Indian Air Force: News & Discussions

[silentassassin265]

Can it not be challenged in an American court based on the contract and punitive measures imposed for the delays? US judiciary is very efficient and with the right attorneys India can push the envelope if they have the balls to do it.

How exactly will us court force employees to work

 

[Doreamon]

Check out twin canon system of zen technology for LCH .


View: https://youtu.be/LYJDXdGDeTY?si=BI_veL8v5AErefOs

I was going through the specification in their website . It seems better than the THL 20 currently used in LCH .

Underbelly Turreted Cannon System​

Underbelly Turreted Cannon System (UTCS) for 20mm Autocannon
Description :

Underbelly Turreted Cannon System (UTCS) for 20mm Autocannon

The Underbelly Turreted Cannon System (UTCS) is a state-of-the-art, lightweight, and compact solution designed for combat helicopters. It integrates a highly versatile 20mm twin-barrel autocannon with advanced precision and firepower capabilities, offering superior performance in dynamic combat scenarios.

Key Features :

• Enhanced Accuracy: The system boasts stabilization accuracy of <0.3 mRad, ensuring exceptional hit probability even during high-speed manoeuvres.
• Precise Targeting: A 19-bit rotary encoder ensures precise weapon positioning, offering unparalleled reliability in targeting.
• Wide Coverage: With an elevation range of -14.5° to 47° and a traverse range of ±105°, the turret provides extensive field coverage for enhanced situational engagement.

Performance Highlights :

• High Rate of Fire: The synchronized twin-barrel autocannon achieves a firing rate of up to 2600 rounds per minute, ensuring sustained firepower and minimal exposure time.
• Variable Rate of Fire: An electronically controlled firing system allows for adjustable rates as low as 780 rounds per minute, optimizing ammunition usage for diverse mission requirements.
• Automatic Misfire Handling: In the event of a misfire, the system incorporates automatic recocking up to three times using pyro cartridges, ensuring operational continuity.

Aircraft Compatibility :

• Lightweight and Compact: Weighing under 225 kg, the UTCS offers dimensions comparable to existing single-barrel 20mm solutions, making it an ideal upgrade option without compromising aircraft design or performance.
• Ammunition Compatibility: Fully compatible with standard 20x102mm ammunition, simplifying logistics and integration.

 

[Migflug]

 

[BON PLAN]

Weight is around 150kg higher and yes we will need to modify the airframes to accommodate that engine.
Burgericans had prevented china from getting any Western jet engine they might do same to us unless we buy their jets

Changing the airframe means nother bird because all the wind tunnels and air tests are to be made from scratch. Absolutely not a good solution.

 

[BON PLAN]

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My bet is that the bird was so close its air base that the Spectra was shut off.

 

[redpanda]

My bet is that the bird was so close its air base that the Spectra was shut off.

This is a big What IF IF. But it could have fallen thanks to fuel shortage as well. As far as I remember Rafale has that issue.

 

[Ajatshatru]

My bet is that the bird was so close its air base that the Spectra was shut off.

I’ve seen the wreckage of a Pakistani Mirage 5 and a JF-17, but so far, i have seen no wreckage of a Rafale. A picture is circulating on social media showing what appears to be an M88 engine lying on the ground, but it’s just a single engine—there’s no second engine, fuselage debris, missiles, or bombs.

 

[Anants]

My bet is that the bird was so close its air base that the Spectra was shut off.

My bet is that its a US sponsored question trying to degrade French ware. What are the sources? I dont remember any Indian source saying so. The line and tenor has only been published by American Ware Promotion publications. Can you fetch what was Ministey of Defense reply to that question?

There were losses but our pilots are back to base - thats the statement we get. They did not say pilots recovered/captured/injured but just back to base after ops. So what kind of losses ? Thats where everybody's wild imagination depending upon what bias/agenda/insecurity one has come up with their fav plane crashing. So. Candidates and numbers that have been thrown about in musings suggest our our half airforce was down.

 

[Pundit Pikachu]

Check out twin canon system of zen technology for LCH .


View: https://youtu.be/LYJDXdGDeTY?si=BI_veL8v5AErefOs

I was going through the specification in their website . It seems better than the THL 20 currently used in LCH .

Underbelly Turreted Cannon System​

Underbelly Turreted Cannon System (UTCS) for 20mm Autocannon
Description :

Underbelly Turreted Cannon System (UTCS) for 20mm Autocannon

The Underbelly Turreted Cannon System (UTCS) is a state-of-the-art, lightweight, and compact solution designed for combat helicopters. It integrates a highly versatile 20mm twin-barrel autocannon with advanced precision and firepower capabilities, offering superior performance in dynamic combat scenarios.

Key Features :

• Enhanced Accuracy: The system boasts stabilization accuracy of <0.3 mRad, ensuring exceptional hit probability even during high-speed manoeuvres.
• Precise Targeting: A 19-bit rotary encoder ensures precise weapon positioning, offering unparalleled reliability in targeting.
• Wide Coverage: With an elevation range of -14.5° to 47° and a traverse range of ±105°, the turret provides extensive field coverage for enhanced situational engagement.

Performance Highlights :

• High Rate of Fire: The synchronized twin-barrel autocannon achieves a firing rate of up to 2600 rounds per minute, ensuring sustained firepower and minimal exposure time.
• Variable Rate of Fire: An electronically controlled firing system allows for adjustable rates as low as 780 rounds per minute, optimizing ammunition usage for diverse mission requirements.
• Automatic Misfire Handling: In the event of a misfire, the system incorporates automatic recocking up to three times using pyro cartridges, ensuring operational continuity.

Aircraft Compatibility :

• Lightweight and Compact: Weighing under 225 kg, the UTCS offers dimensions comparable to existing single-barrel 20mm solutions, making it an ideal upgrade option without compromising aircraft design or performance.
• Ammunition Compatibility: Fully compatible with standard 20x102mm ammunition, simplifying logistics and integration.

Specifications of twin 20mm Autocannon system by Zen technology for LCH .

Dimensions = 2000 x 830 x 500
Weight = <225 Kg
Weapon = 20 mm Twin Barrel Autocannon
Elevation Range = -14.5°-47°
Traverse Range = +105°
Encoder Resolution = 19-bit
Stabilization Accuracy = <0.3 mRad
Chambering = 20 x 102 mm
Rate of Fire = 780-2600 Rounds per minute (adjustable)
Firing Modes = 20/50/unlimited burst
Effective Range = 2500 m
Muzzle Velocity = 1040 m/s
Ammunition types = TP , TP-T , API , API-T , HEI

 

[Corvus Splendens]

@BON PLAN

 

[liberalredditor]

@BON PLAN
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wait what about the partnership with Reliance ada group?? what about DRAL nagpur plant???

but this is a clear signal of dassault getting 50+ rafale orders thats why they are getting a fuselage unit in india with tasl

at this point tasl is partners with everyone, from hal to airbus to boeing to lockheed to dassault

 

[BON PLAN]

This is a big What IF IF. But it could have fallen thanks to fuel shortage as well. As far as I remember Rafale has that issue.

Indeed,
a Rafale M was lost :

"Moins d'un quart d'heure après le catapultage, un voyant signale un problème de carburant. Il s'agit en réalité d'une petite panne du système électronique, sans gravité immédiate, comme si la jauge de votre voiture ne fonctionnait plus alors que vous venez de faire le plein.
Le pilote décide légitimement de faire demi-tour pour revenir sur le porte-avions. Pour une raison liée aux manoeuvres à la mer, il doit attendre un peu, car le porte-avions ne peut le "ramasser" tout de suite. Pour se poser, il lui faut s'alléger suffissament afin d'accrocher sans dégât les brins d'arrêt de la piste. L'avion est alors lourdement chargé : deux gros réservoirs supplémentaires et plusieurs bombes. Pour s'alléger, il ne peut que se débarasser d'une partie de son carburant - une manoeuvre très courante. Il utilise ce que les aviateurs appellent le "vide-vite", qui permet, comme son nom l'indique, de vider vite. Le pilote vide donc ses réservoirs, ceux situés dans les ailes et les bidons accrochés sous la voilure.
Pour une raison inconnue, le Rafale doit ensuite se ravitailler auprès d'un chasseur gréé en ravitailleur, surnommé "nounou". Malheureusement, le carburant transféré est aussitôt rejeté dans l'air, à cause du vide-vite toujours en fonctionnement. La présence de réservoirs supplémentaires sous les ailes pourrait expliquer, partiellement, le problème. En effet, une fois le vite-vide des réservoirs percuté, ceux-ci ne peuvent plus se réfermer. Le carburant entre par un trou et ressort aussitôt par un autre... La seule manière de fermer le système est de larguer les réservoirs. C'est en tout cas ce que précise le manuel. Or le pilote ne l'a pas fait. Et le carburant s'est aussitôt volatilisé dans les airs... On ignore encore si le pilote, son co-équipier de la patrouille ou la nounou, ont vu la chose se produire. Quoi qu'il en soit l'avion est tombé rapidement en panne sèche, conduisant le pilote à s'ejecter et l'avion à s'écraser dans l'océan indien."

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Less than fifteen minutes after launching, a warning light signaled a fuel problem. It was actually a minor electronic system malfunction, with no immediate consequences, like if your car's fuel gauge stopped working after you'd just refueled.
The pilot legitimately decided to turn around to return to the aircraft carrier. For reasons related to maneuvering at sea, he had to wait a bit, as the carrier couldn't "pick him up" immediately. To land, he needed to lighten his load enough to safely engage the runway arresting lines. The aircraft was heavily loaded: two large additional tanks and several bombs. To lighten its load, it could only jettison some of its fuel—a very common maneuver. He used what aviators called "quick dump," which, as its name suggests, allowed for rapid emptying. The pilot then empties his tanks, those located in the wings and the cans attached under the wing.
For some unknown reason, the Rafale then had to refuel from a fighter rigged as a tanker, nicknamed "nanny." Unfortunately, the transferred fuel was immediately released into the air, due to the still-functioning dump valve. The presence of additional tanks under the wings could partially explain the problem. Indeed, once the tank dump valve is hit, they can no longer close. The fuel enters through one hole and immediately exits through another... The only way to close the system is to jettison the tanks. At least, that's what the manual specifies. But the pilot didn't do it. And the fuel immediately vanished into thin air... It's still unknown whether the pilot, his patrol teammate, or the nanny saw this happen. In any case, the plane quickly ran out of fuel, leading the pilot to eject and the plane to crash into the Indian Ocean.

 

[Neil (नील/Нил)]

"Vintage Vibes!!"

An IAF Mig-21 sporting a cool yellow livery with black spots! Now decommissioned from service. From Bharat Rakshak Forum.

 

[maximus777]

How exactly will us court force employees to work

Wouldn't not delivering on time amount to breach of contract and thereby liable to any punitive measures listed in there? We need to figure out a way impose financial costs for not delivering on time. Whether the employees work on or not is not our concern, but the parent company which signed the contract needs to face the consequences. Without legal protection what good is a contract?!?

 

[shade2]

My bet is that its a US sponsored question trying to degrade French ware. What are the sources? I dont remember any Indian source saying so. The line and tenor has only been published by American Ware Promotion publications. Can you fetch what was Ministey of Defense reply to that question?

There were losses but our pilots are back to base - thats the statement we get. They did not say pilots recovered/captured/injured but just back to base after ops. So what kind of losses ? Thats where everybody's wild imagination depending upon what bias/agenda/insecurity one has come up with their fav plane crashing. So. Candidates and numbers that have been thrown about in musings suggest our our half airforce was down.

It's classified will be their answer.

This could be a sponsored question by American dalals yes, or it could also be a question by Dassault and other French MIC dalals either for funding for Rafale F5 development or the new FCAS plane, maybe Dassault will do a walkout from that program and build their one Atmanirbhar France edition like how Rafale was to the Eurofighter.

 

[shade2]

@BON PLAN
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This means more orders of Rafale for IAF are incoming, it also means that Tata will possibly get the Tejas Mk2 and AMCA production in the future as the 2nd production site apart from HAL.

 

[snakeeyes07]

View: https://x.com/KesariDhwaj/status/1930862932989968805

Not sure if AEW&Cs alone with a range of 400-500km can guide such missile over 6-8 minute of missile's flight. As shooters are likely to be closer to engagement area than AEW&Cs on station. Looks like PLAAF does have a sophisticated & synthesized system to guide PL17 & PL21.

 

[shade2]

View: https://x.com/KesariDhwaj/status/1930862932989968805

Not sure if AEW&Cs alone with a range of 400-500km can guide such missile over 6-8 minute of missile's flight. As shooters are likely to be closer to engagement area than AEW&Cs on station. Looks like PLAAF does have a sophisticated & synthesized system to guide PL17 & PL21.

They are testing a new spinny-radar based awacs on their bootlegged C-17 version.


Their current in service one is a 3 faced static radar inside an idli shaped casing on a chinku IL-17

So yes they do

 

[FalconSlayers]

Looks like RWR or some sensor went off?

View: https://x.com/ndtvindia/status/1930950864241311811

 

[redpanda]

My thoughts on the current situation.

Buying off-the-shelf jets won’t immediately solve our capability gaps. The F-35 program already has a massive backlog of orders, and ongoing supply chain issues continue to delay deliveries even for existing customers. We’re not a formal U.S. ally either, so even through the Foreign Military Sales (FMS) route, the process is anything but quick—it would likely take at least 5–6 years, and possibly 8 years, as seen in the U.S.–Czech Republic deal. Realistically, if we place an order next year, the first F-35s may not arrive until 2032–2034.


Moreover, pilot training, infrastructure adaptation, and tech transfer negotiations would stretch timelines further.


Even if we opt for the sub-optimal Su-57E with local production, the entire process will still take its sweet time, bogged down by the usual complexities of government-to-government negotiations, technology transfer talks, and setting up production lines. Given Russia’s current economic and geopolitical situation, even maintaining a steady supply chain would be a challenge. Also it will probably come with Chinese components.


The only option we have is to focus on fastracking development of ADs, BVRAAMs, , CATS, Hypersonic missiles, AMCA etc. Also we need to fastrack Netra mk2. That's all we can do in next 4-5 years.


Feel free to share your thoughts.