Indian Air Force: News & Discussions

[jaijaganath]

View: https://x.com/DRDO_India/status/1882630245314072610
day light robery of our by joint venture of "import babus & videshi genrolls"

You have HTFE 25 which produces 25 Kn thrust.....you could have made indigenous HALE with specifications close to MQ 20...... IAF was interested in MQ 20

HTFE 25
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Additional 7 Kn can give indigenous drone a edge over MQ 20 in MTOW (fuel capacity)
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You have dry kaveri which produces 46 Kn dry....you could have made indigenous HALE with specifications close to RQ 4......

Kaveri dry
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Additional 12 kn could compensate over weight of kaveri by balancing T/W ratio....
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We validated SATCOM , ATOL , Datalink & other components in Tapas development
Should have taken indigenous way to develop HALE .....

IMO each eurodrone will have >200 Mn base price
Only 60 drones were planned to be made....number can go down in future if france says tata bye bye....

Either genrolls & babus giving ~30 pieces order to save eurodrone program like they did with sukhoi

Or cutting edge saaar....only 10 units enough saaaar....5 different equipments from 5 places saaar and struggling with spares , MRO for 30 years

Modi ji & Rajnath ji doing Aatmanirbhar & kadi ninda with

Le mig 21 SQDN's flying to guard airspace till 2030 bcoz of F404 delay and no funds for kaveri


Indian media & youtube channels earning food by covering this circus
Le highly qualified vets doing 40 Kg & 40 Km to impress some old on twitter


you haven't seen SSB gate gang begging for some attention right infront of SSB gate

This came out of blue definitely it has to do with FTA
But knowing our importkhors no possibility can ruled out

 

[shade2]

This came out of blue definitely it has to do with FTA
But knowing our importkhors no possibility can ruled out

>26 Rafale and 3 Scorpene for
>6 Type 214 Submarines for
>55 C-295 for

Wonder what such gifts are there for Gobi's friend, but we do get the 76mm naval gun from them so...

With these 4 we should have most of the EU appeased, assuming for FTA

 

[SKC]

>26 Rafale and 3 Scorpene for
>6 Type 214 Submarines for
>55 C-295 for

Wonder what such gifts are there for Gobi's friend, but we do get the 76mm naval gun from them so...

With these 4 we should have most of the EU appeased, assuming for FTA

Well, Doesn't Modiji claim -
"Sabka Sath Sabka Vikas"

 

[Raptor]

View: https://x.com/alpha_defense/status/1883031492269600803

 

[ArjunMK1A]

Well, Doesn't Modiji claim -
"Sabka Sath Sabka Vikas"

That is for Indian states.

But babaji forgot and done this for European countries.

 

[SKC]

That is for Indian states.

But babaji forgot and done this for European countries.

How else we are gonna be VishwaGuru!

 

[FalconSlayers]

View: https://x.com/akki_bauer22_/status/1883116463978070166

 

[mist_consecutive]

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View: https://x.com/akki_bauer22_/status/1883116463978070166

Shows how utter shit is Russian maal.

 

[The Shrike]

HTFE 25 hasn't finished ground trials.

Stuck in ground testing rig for almost a decade.

 

[maximus777]

Shows how utter shit is Russian maal.

While I agree with the quality concerns of Ruski hardware, the Migs are also 40+ years old at this point. You get what you pay for. Ruski stuff costs half of western ones and their lifespan would be accordingly shorter. Mig 29s were purchased in the 80s when we were a non-entity on the world's geopolik stage. Today we are an economic heavyweight, and we need to upgrade/re-arm accordingly. If our babus, PMO, AF dont get it, whose fault is it really?!?

 

[shade2]

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View: https://x.com/akki_bauer22_/status/1883116463978070166

I do not see a deluge of dalal patrakar articles and tweets by people with titles attached to their names shitting on the MiGs though.

Anything imported is ok as long as it's not Indian , delays, crashes sab chalta hai, sab changa si.

Thank God for ejection seats, it will be a bigger loss if such pilots would perish in situations where they couldn't recover the jet from whatever weird shit it was doing.

While I agree with the quality concerns of Ruski hardware, the Migs are also 40+ years old at this point. You get what you pay for. Ruski stuff costs half of western ones and their lifespan would be accordingly shorter. Mig 29s were purchased in the 80s when we were a non-entity on the world's geopolik stage. Today we are an economic heavyweight, and we need to upgrade/re-arm accordingly. If our babus, PMO, AF dont get it, whose fault is it really?!?

MiG 29s were intended for export, we got the Su-27 and derivatives only because USSR collapsed.
Rooskie ((( export quality ))) is absolutely

 

[mist_consecutive]

While I agree with the quality concerns of Ruski hardware, the Migs are also 40+ years old at this point. You get what you pay for. Ruski stuff costs half of western ones and their lifespan would be accordingly shorter. Mig 29s were purchased in the 80s when we were a non-entity on the world's geopolik stage. Today we are an economic heavyweight, and we need to upgrade/re-arm accordingly. If our babus, PMO, AF dont get it, whose fault is it really?!?

Those Mig-29s are recently MLUed, so theoretically there should be no lifespan issues.

You get what you pay for. Ruski stuff costs half of western ones and their lifespan would be accordingly shorter.

But then when I try to justify cost of US platforms every dephens phanboy will be frothing from mouth how Mudi is corrupt, Generals are corrupt, and our Airforce is wasting monies by not buying the cheapest shit in Costo under sale at least 50% off.

US platforms are one of the most bang / buck you can get.

 

[shade2]

Those Mig-29s are recently MLUed, so theoretically there should be no lifespan issues.



But then when I try to justify cost of US platforms every dephens phanboy will be frothing from mouth how Mudi is corrupt, Generals are corrupt, and our Airforce is wasting monies by not buying the cheapest shit in Costo under sale at least 50% off.

US platforms are one of the most bang / buck you can get.

The Cost of US maal is not in terms of $$$.

The Cost is when you want to do something but Masta Sam doesn't want you to, like

• The Turks doing their Cyprus Invasion in the 70s, post which they got arms embargo'd by the US but they got away in a few years because of their utility vs the USSR preventing a full rupture with NATO/US
• The Indonesians invading East Timor to Anschluss it, once again another Arms Embargo and their F-16s couldn't fly, they bought Su-27 and Su-30 out of spite and need.
• Our very own Padosi Mulq in the 1965 was where both their sugar daddies, UK/US did "both-sides" and arms embargo'd them, this caused their increased dostana with the Chings.
• Not 1:1 with the above examples but Egypt has always fought Israel over Palestine, but since Anwar Sadat pimped the country out to the US, in exchange for lots of US military aid and F-16s and Abrams, Egypt has not beefed with Israel militarily since, Ofc Egypt can give support to Hamas and other terrorist orgs if they wish to, hope you realize the parallels with our situation...

This is aside from them only wanting you to buy their own munitions and other hardware for their platforms( Israel gets an exception ofc ) and their ((( inspection regimes ))) for Non-(((Allies))) like us

For more on the ((( inspection regime))) for F-16, suffered by our Padosi Mulq, read

How America’s Experience with Pakistan Can Help it Deal with Turkey​

How America’s Experience with Pakistan Can Help it Deal with Turkey - War on the Rocks

In its ties with Turkey, the United States finds itself in a classic Catch-22. Turkish foreign policy often runs afoul of U.S. interests. However, Ankara

warontherocks.com

It is why the IAF, IN, IA avoid inducting large amounts of US made frontline combat platforms( not transport, support or parts ) till date.

The IAF runs after Rafale while F-16 Block 70/72 would provide more "benefits" of both kinds.
The IN also wants the Rafale over the F-18, once again more benefits in the latter.
Bulk of IA's stuff is Soviet/Russian.

After the INS Jalashwa (((inspection))) fiasco the IN tore out every single ((( inspectable ))) item from that ship including the Phalanx CIWS which was replaced by the good ol' AK-630

Indeed this is why most Dephens Fanbois are frothing at the mouth whenever US is mentioned, not because of any Dollar/Rupee/Euro costs.

Going all in on US gear is only good if you don't mind having your Foreign Policy controlled from Washington DC and are willing to let your armed forces be their Sepoy in invading random countries across the world.

Perhaps in the future when the US doesn't wish to remote control countries it sells arms to, they would be a good choice but not now.

 

[shade2]

Btw Nibbiar's is there any update over the MTA program of IAF?
I can only find news from October last year.
Apparently it is planned to replace ~120 AN-32s and IL-17s currently in service, pretty large amount of planes to replace



Hope pic related's manufactures can be enticed to give us the design and full manufacturing ToT in addition to building more planes domestically.

 

[Hari Sud]

What does India has to do relieve the AWACS and AEW&S shortage in the airforce.

My recommendation is to take it out of DRDO hands and give it private sector. Alternative is to fire the DRDO scientists working on this project for 30 years and send them home. I will deny them pension for which they are working for incompetence.

How do the others in forum feel.

 

[karn]

What does India has to do relieve the AWACS and AEW&S shortage in the airforce.

My recommendation is to take it out of DRDO hands and give it private sector. Alternative is to fire the DRDO scientists working on this project for 30 years and send them home. I will deny them pension for which they are working for incompetence.

How do the others in forum feel.

The largest ever purchase of civil aircraft was placed by Indian companies. One of the buyers TATA has a large aerospace company as part of its group . When they themselvs couldn't be arsed to develop a civil aircraft for their own needs a meager AWACs order is far away from that.
Oh and DRODOs AWACS are already in service.

 

[Ayan Barat]

I feel it's too easy for people like us to sit on a sofa, in an air-conditioned room, sipping evening tea far from all the chaos that goes into manufacturing even a small plastic part let alone a multi-million, advanced system and ask for termination of scientists who are forced to work on a shoestring budget.

And if we're really adamant on scrutinizing them then first we should try to answer few questions

1. What is the timeline of fund release and deliveries?
2. Was there an event that was beyond the control of DRDO? Like say a pandemic or the kind of issue HAL is facing with engines
3. How much is the end product costing us compared to something in the open market?
4. What level of technological experiences are we gaining from this project that can be rapidly implemented in future projects?

 

[shade2]

The largest ever purchase of civil aircraft was placed by Indian companies. One of the buyers TATA has a large aerospace company as part of its group . When they themselvs couldn't be arsed to develop a civil aircraft for their own needs a meager AWACs order is far away from that.
Oh and DRODOs AWACS are already in service.

This is not even a question of developing a Civil Aircraft.
It is the question of developing the AWACS Radar that sit on top of the Civil Aircraft.

I'm sure Tata, which is the master of in this country, can make a deal with Saab/IAI Elta/Northrop Grumman( excluding Russkies, suit-boot don't have the to deal with them ) to their products and pass it as indigenous

Jet to kidhar se bhi le sakte hai, there is your Airbus/Boeing on the big-bird end and a bevy of private-jet merchants on the small-bird side depending on what radar is developed ToT'd

 

[karn]

This is not even a question of developing a Civil Aircraft.
It is the question of developing the AWACS Radar that sit on top of the Civil Aircraft.

I'm sure Tata, which is the master of in this country, can make a deal with Saab/IAI Elta/Northrop Grumman( excluding Russkies, suit-boot don't have the to deal with them ) to their products and pass it as indigenous

Jet to kidhar se bhi le sakte hai, there is your Airbus/Boeing on the big-bird end and a bevy of private-jet merchants on the small-bird side depending on what radar is developed ToT'd

Ok .. For a private company to develop a radar they would need to have some expertise in producing radars ... And the number of private companies producing/developing radars in country is *checks notes* fuck all.
And modifying a random 3rd party aircraft without OEM handholding to be an AWACs is pretty ambitious for any company that does not manufacture or develop aircraft.
Nevermind me I am just blackpilled by *private companies* lack of trying to develop anything by themselves and all want to be glorified traders and this is not just in the defense sphere.

 

[shade2]

Ok .. For a private company to develop a radar they would need to have some expertise in producing radars ... And the number of private companies producing/developing radars in country is *checks notes* fuck all.
And modifying a random 3rd party aircraft without OEM handholding to be an AWACs is pretty ambitious for any company that does not manufacture or develop aircraft.
Nevermind me I am just blackpilled by *private companies* lack of trying to develop anything by themselves and all want to be glorified traders and this is not just in the defense sphere.

Correct.
Even if any private company with the of steel required would have to invest large sums of money, hire niche talent and go through over 9000 tests to R&D the AWACs radar
Only for the "users" to reject your product and buy some of these instead https://defense.embraer.com/air/p600-aewec/



btw I don't blame the Dhandhos for , that is what they are incentivized for, not proper R&D to create their own, Indian IP and supply chains.