Indian Air Force: News & Discussions

[mist_consecutive]

Their token support is only helping them stall and not turn the tide.

The US scheme is to "bleed Russia", with us it will be to "bleed China", ofc in the process it is the Ukies who are also bleeding now, and will be us in the future

Unlike the Ukies however we have a hostile demographic at home, who won't be recruited to die on the battlefield for obvious reasons...

You can imagine the long term consequences of this.

USA is no one's big brother that they will jump to your rescue without a second thought.

"Bleed China" strategy is good enough deterrence. What we know and learnt from 2020 skirmishes is that China is a cautious enemy, and doesn't play a losing game. The fear that USA will use India for their destruction is a deterrence strong enough for China to reconsider its many decisions.

Better keep the Ching away till we have enough domestic industrial capacity to stave them off ourselves without fully selling out to Uncle Sam, as we build up, it becomes less "easy peasy" for the Ching to attack us and get away with minimal costs.

Again, I have never advocated for dissolving MIC and become permanent lapdogs of foreign powers.

Keeping the China away plan sounds good but unfortunately isn't in our hands but completely depends on what China is planning. Even after goody-goody relations between Modi-Xi nariyal paani in Chennai China didn't even blink once before backstabbing us.

North Korea: 'No apology' for S Korea Cheonan sinking

North Korea rejects South Korean calls for an apology over the sinking of a warship, almost five years after the disaster killed 46 sailors.

www.bbc.com

This is an ancient report from 2015 of the Naarth Koreans sinking a SoKo corvette randomly in 2010.

No "befitting reply" was given from the SoKo to Naarthern brozzers over this, even though public sentiment was fully behind SoKo armed forces punishing the Kim-Jong worshippers.

A cope excuse was given that the SoKo govt was scared of the "Over 9000 Black Artillery Pieces of Kim Jong Un aimed at Seoul", but the truth is the start spangled masters of SoKo didn't allow them to retaliate, behind the scenes, remember it was 2010 and everything was Changa Xi economically in East Asia at the time.

By being US's bitch, you surrender your foreign policy to them, you attack when they tell you to, but you're supposed to take many L's when they forbid you to respond.
And the US can withdraw support at any time, leaving you holding the bag.

Not really informed about what happened during that incident, but what I will say is tit-for-tat reactions are generally never wise.

Well even without being US's bitch we took the last punch on the face vs. Pakistan yet didn't decide to strike back. So I guess strategic autonomy for us is like a beggar with no job mocking salarymen that they don't have any freedom.

Weak is respected by no one.

 

[Spitfire IX]

Tedbf airforce in 2 years ? How



View: https://t.me/diplomatic_delta/18937

Without evidence to the contrary, I would describe that as a ridiculous dream. It is good to have dreams. It is bad to plan your defence around them, especially when they are ridiculous.

 

[Azaad]

Tedbf airforce in 2 years ? How



View: https://t.me/diplomatic_delta/18937

TEDBF CDR is due to be completed this FY post which the IN will approach the centre for funds to begin prototyping. We'd get a lot of information on this & other programs in the forthcoming Aero India 25 air show.

You can ignore news about TEDBF featuring in the IAF in the form of ORCA or any other iteration as click bait for it's not going to happen as I detailed in a post sometime back.

The IAF already has an analogue of the TEDBF in a more sophisticated form known as the AMCA Mk-1 which is already being prototyped.

There's a strong chance you may see twice or even more than that of the 40 nos requirement projected now , going into the future now that it's fairly certain MMRCA / MRFA isn't going to materialize.

 

[shade2]

@Blademaster @shade2

I get your points. Our original discussion was regarding which fighter jet if not Rafale.

Rafale (or whatever import fighter) we get, will only allow us to stall the war and bleed and enemy who has a domestic MIC on overdrive and a 50-years expertise on manufacturing everything on the earth.

Point is F-15E & F-16 Block 80+ and if the budget permits F-35s will be a stop-gap for China steamrolling us.

We have to develop our indigenous fighters. Imports are not a replacement for Tejas, AMCA & ORCA, but just a insurance.

Regarding USA supporting us or not, no country will handhold you. Unless we get into a NATO-type agreement nothing of such sort is going to happen.

China is not going to "steamroll" us my dude, defeat yes with a pyrhhic victory but not "steamroll" because of the Himalayas.
I don't even expect major territory losses like Sikkim or AP in the event of a defeat

The main problem with the current handful of Rafales setup is that we cannot take the fight to them, we will be permanently on the defensive, same goes for any small quantities of American wunderwaffe, large quantities ofc is impossible.

There is no F-35 offered because it is a question of sovereignty and not of budget, They imposed so many conditions on F-35 purchase on the Emiratis that they purchased 80 Rafale instead, You can imagine what type of outrageous conditions these are that even the West-pasand Gulf sheikhdoms are not allowed to purchase them

At max what can happen is friendly countries helping us with weapons, intel and economic support during war, and that will matter hugely.

Is it mattering hugely for Ukraine? Did it matter hugely for South Vietnam?
And as you have mentioned before the gap between India/China isn't as big as Ukr/Rus.

Anyway US and West will still help even without purchases of F-16/15 Wunderwaffe because of the common anti-China goal, same as why they are drip-feeding Ukraine with weapon systems and munitions

 

[shade2]

Again, I have never advocated for dissolving MIC and become permanent lapdogs of foreign powers..

"Stop gap purchases" of F-15/F-16 will result in that.

US weapons are an ecosystem, they integrate seamlessly with one another, and most importantly, they integrate with other US & NATO assets.

You have in a post before mentioned about the "ecosystem" of US military hardware so you can understand how the arguments against buying any domestic fighter jets will pan out.

Already everyone and their dog got surprised over 500 or so Stryker procurement coming totally out of syllabus to kill the whAp


Anyway Emergency procoorments ke liye, assuming they take Taiwan or we know they will, any other fighter can fill the gap since F-15, even if contract will be signed today will start to be delivered in 2031+ as with this recent order for Israel https://www.reuters.com/world/middl...re-25-f-15-fighter-jets-boeing-co-2024-11-07/

So only other fighters we can get quickly is F-16, Gripen and Eurofighter.

This is purely from a numbers and quick delivery perspective, capability ka idk.

 

[ArjunMK1A]

IAF inducting F-15 and F-35 is near impossible scenario at this point. It looks good in imagination but does not happen in reality.

Only way forward is to acknowledge the challenges present before us and provide an solution for next 15-20 years. Currently RM and MOD Babus were only playing word salad instead of blatantly telling us that IAF don't have sufficient fighters, trainers to support its operation in both peace and war time.

One way to deal with way forward.

1. Acknowledge the strategic importance of having our own Jet engine is paramount.
2. Start an Roadmap with an apex body headed by PM/RM and one DRDO Sect to monitor the progress. Involve private companies from start go and convert them into suppliers once tech matures. Pour money to build necessary Infrastructure required for testing and academic collaboration to do Research on Materials necessary for an 5th gen or 6th gen. Setup Industrial Espionage units to gather information from partners (Chinese done this and we should do this).
3. Can see what we do with current programs like HAL Tejas, Sukhoi-30, Tejas MK2, NLCA, Prachand, LUH where these were in Serial production or in LSP stage.
4. If we want extra tejas then provide the numbers to field. If Tejas MK2 is ready then go with serial production of IOC spec followed by upgradation once key components matures. If HAL can produce puny 12 sukhois again, then it can produce Sukhoi in higher numbers with Indian avionics like Radar, APSJ pod and other things like MAWS, you need numbers and induct them.
5. Navy should have an NLCA squadron in A&N to provide support, NLCA is not dogshit, it has it limitations but still better to have them instead of waiting for TEDBF.
6. Replace chetaks with LUH in good numbers, Validation needs to be done concurrently. Same with Prachand order them and monitor ATGM integration. If delayed grill them.


With current products we can build enough deterrence as an confident booster. But still weaker against PLAAF numbers and fighter gens they have.

 

[Neil (नील/Нил)]

IAF Rafale, MiG-29 and Su-30 MKI.



The above two pics I think are from an exercise, don't know which one though.

 

[maximus777]

IAF Rafale, MiG-29 and Su-30 MKI.
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The above two pics I think are from an exercise, don't know which one though.

UN AF for a reason! 20+ years of delay of on MRFA is not funny! If speculations are to be believed, even our duffer neighbor is expected to get 5th gen fighters (Turkish and Chinese) soon. In a sharp short conflict, they will pull the mickey on us again and then IAF/GOI go around the world explaining how we downed the 5th gen fighters with Migs using "trust me bro" sources!!

 

[randombully]

View: https://youtu.be/zzeGIQObD38?si=oRlXD0fQJ_MsS9zA

So who out of you guys made this channel?

 

[AGNI 6 ICBM]

View: https://x.com/DRDO_India/status/1882630245314072610
day light robery of our by joint venture of "import babus & videshi genrolls"

You have HTFE 25 which produces 25 Kn thrust.....you could have made indigenous HALE with specifications close to MQ 20...... IAF was interested in MQ 20

HTFE 25



Additional 7 Kn can give indigenous drone a edge over MQ 20 in MTOW (fuel capacity)



You have dry kaveri which produces 46 Kn dry....you could have made indigenous HALE with specifications close to RQ 4......

Kaveri dry



Additional 12 kn could compensate over weight of kaveri by balancing T/W ratio....

We validated SATCOM , ATOL , Datalink & other components in Tapas development
Should have taken indigenous way to develop HALE .....

IMO each eurodrone will have >200 Mn base price
Only 60 drones were planned to be made....number can go down in future if france says tata bye bye....

Either genrolls & babus giving ~30 pieces order to save eurodrone program like they did with sukhoi

Or cutting edge saaar....only 10 units enough saaaar....5 different equipments from 5 places saaar and struggling with spares , MRO for 30 years

Modi ji & Rajnath ji doing Aatmanirbhar & kadi ninda with

Le mig 21 SQDN's flying to guard airspace till 2030 bcoz of F404 delay and no funds for kaveri


Indian media & youtube channels earning food by covering this circus
Le highly qualified vets doing 40 Kg & 40 Km to impress some old on twitter


you haven't seen SSB gate gang begging for some attention right infront of SSB gate

 

[karn]

View: https://x.com/DRDO_India/status/1882630245314072610
day light robery of our by joint venture of "import babus & videshi genrolls"

You have HTFE 25 which produces 25 Kn thrust.....you could have made indigenous HALE with specifications close to MQ 20...... IAF was interested in MQ 20

HTFE 25
View attachment 22938


Additional 7 Kn can give indigenous drone a edge over MQ 20 in MTOW (fuel capacity)
View attachment 22940


You have dry kaveri which produces 46 Kn dry....you could have made indigenous HALE with specifications close to RQ 4......

Kaveri dry
View attachment 22941


Additional 12 kn could compensate over weight of kaveri by balancing T/W ratio....
View attachment 22942
We validated SATCOM , ATOL , Datalink & other components in Tapas development
Should have taken indigenous way to develop HALE .....

IMO each eurodrone will have >200 Mn base price
Only 60 drones were planned to be made....number can go down in future if france says tata bye bye....

Either genrolls & babus giving ~30 pieces order to save eurodrone program like they did with sukhoi

Or cutting edge saaar....only 10 units enough saaaar....5 different equipments from 5 places saaar and struggling with spares , MRO for 30 years

Modi ji & Rajnath ji doing Aatmanirbhar & kadi ninda with

Le mig 21 SQDN's flying to guard airspace till 2030 bcoz of F404 delay and no funds for kaveri


Indian media & youtube channels earning food by covering this circus
Le highly qualified vets doing 40 Kg & 40 Km to impress some old on twitter


you haven't seen SSB gate gang begging for some attention right infront of SSB gate

HTFE 25 hasn't finished ground trials.

 

[jaijaganath]

View: https://x.com/DRDO_India/status/1882630245314072610
day light robery of our by joint venture of "import babus & videshi genrolls"

You have HTFE 25 which produces 25 Kn thrust.....you could have made indigenous HALE with specifications close to MQ 20...... IAF was interested in MQ 20

HTFE 25
View attachment 22938


Additional 7 Kn can give indigenous drone a edge over MQ 20 in MTOW (fuel capacity)
View attachment 22940


You have dry kaveri which produces 46 Kn dry....you could have made indigenous HALE with specifications close to RQ 4......

Kaveri dry
View attachment 22941


Additional 12 kn could compensate over weight of kaveri by balancing T/W ratio....
View attachment 22942
We validated SATCOM , ATOL , Datalink & other components in Tapas development
Should have taken indigenous way to develop HALE .....

IMO each eurodrone will have >200 Mn base price
Only 60 drones were planned to be made....number can go down in future if france says tata bye bye....

Either genrolls & babus giving ~30 pieces order to save eurodrone program like they did with sukhoi

Or cutting edge saaar....only 10 units enough saaaar....5 different equipments from 5 places saaar and struggling with spares , MRO for 30 years

Modi ji & Rajnath ji doing Aatmanirbhar & kadi ninda with

Le mig 21 SQDN's flying to guard airspace till 2030 bcoz of F404 delay and no funds for kaveri


Indian media & youtube channels earning food by covering this circus
Le highly qualified vets doing 40 Kg & 40 Km to impress some old on twitter


you haven't seen SSB gate gang begging for some attention right infront of SSB gate

This came out of blue definitely it has to do with FTA
But knowing our importkhors no possibility can ruled out

 

[shade2]

This came out of blue definitely it has to do with FTA
But knowing our importkhors no possibility can ruled out

>26 Rafale and 3 Scorpene for
>6 Type 214 Submarines for
>55 C-295 for

Wonder what such gifts are there for Gobi's friend, but we do get the 76mm naval gun from them so...

With these 4 we should have most of the EU appeased, assuming for FTA

 

[SKC]

>26 Rafale and 3 Scorpene for
>6 Type 214 Submarines for
>55 C-295 for

Wonder what such gifts are there for Gobi's friend, but we do get the 76mm naval gun from them so...

With these 4 we should have most of the EU appeased, assuming for FTA

Well, Doesn't Modiji claim -
"Sabka Sath Sabka Vikas"

 

[Raptor]

View: https://x.com/alpha_defense/status/1883031492269600803

 

[ArjunMK1A]

Well, Doesn't Modiji claim -
"Sabka Sath Sabka Vikas"

That is for Indian states.

But babaji forgot and done this for European countries.

 

[SKC]

That is for Indian states.

But babaji forgot and done this for European countries.

How else we are gonna be VishwaGuru!

 

[FalconSlayers]

View: https://x.com/akki_bauer22_/status/1883116463978070166

 

[mist_consecutive]

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View: https://x.com/akki_bauer22_/status/1883116463978070166

Shows how utter shit is Russian maal.

 

[The Shrike]

HTFE 25 hasn't finished ground trials.

Stuck in ground testing rig for almost a decade.