Indian Air Force: News & Discussions

[Suryavanshi]

I feel it's too easy for people like us to sit on a sofa, in an air-conditioned room, sipping evening tea far from all the chaos that goes into manufacturing even a small plastic part let alone a multi-million, advanced system and ask for termination of scientists who are forced to work on a shoestring budget.

And if we're really adamant on scrutinizing them then first we should try to answer few questions

1. What is the timeline of fund release and deliveries?
2. Was there an event that was beyond the control of DRDO? Like say a pandemic or the kind of issue HAL is facing with engines
3. How much is the end product costing us compared to something in the open market?
4. What level of technological experiences are we gaining from this project that can be rapidly implemented in future projects?

True we Pawjeets are too entitled.
How many aircraft have we researched and made on our own? Tejas, hal 31, 26, hf 24, Saras?
Less than a dozen.
Go look at the list of aircraft produced by Russia, over 300 differnet types of aircraft produced since 1950s.
They have tried all different types of wings, shapes, purpose aircraft.
How can we hope to achieve parity with them when we aren't ready to shed some billions without strings attached?

Forum memberans itself would turn on Goemimt and Scientists if no tangible materiel comes out of research let alone the opposition and general "feeling e proud Indian army" janata.

A nation who says why do we need to invest in bullet trains will have no appreciation for non tangible scientific research.

It's not necessary that we may succeed in developing the final product we set out to build. As long as material research, electrical component research and production process is documented on paper or hard disk than it's not a failure.

Jeets need to embrace the idea or rapid prototyping and keep at it until you make it.

The central ethos of Hindu religion has been lost to us.

 

[Hari Sud]

Unfortunately, India is not being run as per how we feel.

It feels so good when someone mentions the bold text above but even our beloved PM is not able to do anything regards to that. Instead of cutting their pension, we see increase in their Pay by various Pay Commissions.​

Spend all the money on war materials instead of development and social welfare and become a beggar state like Pakistan and a few others. That choice a bulk of India populace will not excercise except a few vested interests. That means that Indian military matter research has to be privatized and made more efficient. The governments are definitely inefficient in research and development etc…. Think about it?

 

[shade2]

I was browsing plebbit and found a few pics showing the rough size of IAF platforms

Apache and LCH Prachand




Rafale, Tejas and Su-30MKI



Mi-24, Apache and ALH Rudra

 

[Spitfire IX]

Spend all the money on war materials instead of development and social welfare and become a beggar state like Pakistan and a few others. That choice a bulk of India populace will not excercise except a few vested interests. That means that Indian military matter research has to be privatized and made more efficient. The governments are definitely inefficient in research and development etc…. Think about it?

It would make a difference if funds were used more effectively on defence in India. That would be more likely if the labyrinthine state military development and production sectors were simplified and streamlined and there were a performance motive - as in profit in the private sector.

GOI and GOI-controlled or -owned entities seem to have little interest in being productive.

 

[Hari Sud]

It would make a difference if funds were used more effectively on defence in India. That would be more likely if the labyrinthine state military development and production sectors were simplified and streamlined and there were a performance motive - as in profit in the private sector.

GOI and GOI-controlled or -owned entities seem to have little interest in being productive.

Good luck for your effective lesson…..

 

[vin pahadi (kumauni)]

Misc,

You mistake my post as if I was saying India was a runt like Ukraine. No I am not. But remember Russia is not China and China is not Russia. China has far more resources than Russia.

And Ukraine has a more strategic importance to US because Russia is still US's number one or 2 enemy and Europe holds great strategic importance to US. Not only that US found a way to make Russia bleed but here's the thing: they don't care about Ukraine's butcher bill or how much blood Ukraine had to shed.

US will help us but not to the extent where we can minimize our casualties and give us great offensive power, only enough to tie China down, nothing more, nothing less. And that is not an ideal situation for India.

India must develop its own resources to be able to take on China and Pakistan at the same time without needing anyone else's help. Because only in that way, India can minimize its casaulties and not be a pawn of someone else's game.

think from american military companies point of view, who runs america. if USA isnt involved in any other wars, they definitely want someone ruin chinese military nd other resources in a war. if india goes for war,,,,i dont think america, france, israel, may be russia also dont want to drop this golden opportunity to make big profit by buying their weapons. thats what countries do/did, they will sell their equipment in higher price to india in a war, if they r not involve with china. india 620+ billion dollar forex reserves make sure that neutral nd enemy countries of china want to buy their used nd unused weapons to india in a war.

 

[vin pahadi (kumauni)]

TEDBF CDR is due to be completed this FY post which the IN will approach the centre for funds to begin prototyping. We'd get a lot of information on this & other programs in the forthcoming Aero India 25 air show.

You can ignore news about TEDBF featuring in the IAF in the form of ORCA or any other iteration as click bait for it's not going to happen as I detailed in a post sometime back.

The IAF already has an analogue of the TEDBF in a more sophisticated form known as the AMCA Mk-1 which is already being prototyped.

There's a strong chance you may see twice or even more than that of the 40 nos requirement projected now , going into the future now that it's fairly certain MMRCA / MRFA isn't going to materialize.

ORCA hv no place in IAF...TEDBF will take 2033-35 itself for production ready (if everything going according to plan).
1:- tejas mark 2 will take time for production ready near 2028-30. that time our jaguar, mirage 2000 nd mig 29 will starting to retire. so tejas mark 2 will replace all these fighters.
2:- if TEDBF will production ready near 2033-35,,,its air version take another 2-3 year for production ready. that time no aircraft is ready to retire nd if we need additional fighter squadron, we can buy additional tejas mark 2.
3:- than near 2042, our first batch of su 30 mki will completed their 40 year of service. although russian aircraft can give 50 years service life nd our air force known for sucking last drop of juice of aircraft. let assume our first batch of su30 mki was ready to retire near 2042. that time we hv AMCA (finger crossed ) nd 5 genration technology. so replacing su 30 mki with a 4.5 genration ORCA doesnt make sense. that time a single engine, medium weight, less operation cost 5 genration fighter (just like su75) make more sense to replace su 30 mki. we dont need heavy weight 5 genration aircraft, coz we hv 1500+ km range cruise missiles nd ghatak like stealth bombers for ground missions. cats system makes our 4.5 genration fighters keep away from enemy bvr missiles nd sam missiles. hope they also add a stealthy BVR equipped cats warrior drone. current cats warrior drones also hv two bvr, but it will be hanged on outer sides nd close range infrared BVR. what we need a proper bvr euip internal bay in hunter. which make it much more stealthy.

 

[shade2]

View: https://x.com/RusEmbIndia/status/1884590503913787411

How does this compare to the Rafale? Afaik it's not a true stealth jet either like the US or Ching ones.

 

[silentassassin265]

View: https://x.com/RusEmbIndia/status/1884590503913787411

How does this compare to the Rafale? Afaik it's not a true stealth jet either like the US or Ching ones.

Might not be perfect stealth jet but still it's the best replacement for su30mki.
Relying solely on murrica for our local fighter jet program was a mistake, we must diversify our aquisition of fighter jet to keep our airforce running.

 

[RocketMan]

View: https://x.com/RusEmbIndia/status/1884590503913787411

How does this compare to the Rafale? Afaik it's not a true stealth jet either like the US or Ching ones.

Su 57 jets have shot down Ukrainian Su 27 & F16 from >150 kms away & without even triggering RWR/MAWS . Whatever tech they've is more than capable of taking down any Porki/Chinese jets. US is too unreliable to depend upon & we should never buy any fighter jets from them .

 

[Blademaster]

Su 57 jets have shot down Ukrainian Su 27 & F16 from >150 kms away & without even triggering RWR/MAWS . Whatever tech they've is more than capable of taking down any Porki/Chinese jets. US is too unreliable to depend upon & we should never buy any fighter jets from them .

Please share news reports of this. Haven't heard of it before.

 

[silentassassin265]

Su 57 jets have shot down Ukrainian Su 27 & F16 from >150 kms away & without even triggering RWR/MAWS . Whatever tech they've is more than capable of taking down any Porki/Chinese jets. US is too unreliable to depend upon & we should never buy any fighter jets from them .

Which missile they used? Is it even possible to shoot down a jet from 150km?

 

[705-Lira]

Which missile they used? Is it even possible to shoot down a jet from 150km?

R-37M has that sort of capability

 

[maximus777]

Su 57 jets have shot down Ukrainian Su 27 & F16 from >150 kms away & without even triggering RWR/MAWS . Whatever tech they've is more than capable of taking down any Porki/Chinese jets. US is too unreliable to depend upon & we should never buy any fighter jets from them .

This is some serious Tom Cruise kind of $hit!! Any sources to verify this?

 

[Spitfire IX]

Su 57 jets have shot down Ukrainian Su 27 & F16 from >150 kms away & without even triggering RWR/MAWS .

Must be using a very stealthy A2A missile to do that, mustn't it?

 

[Hari Sud]

Might not be perfect stealth jet but still it's the best replacement for su30mki.
Relying solely on murrica for our local fighter jet program was a mistake, we must diversify our aquisition of fighter jet to keep our airforce running.

BS ….. The SU-30Mki is not due for replacement for another 20 to 30 years. It is highly upgraded in next three years.

 

[lexCommando]

you know what... its about time people started questioning indian airforce too.. keeping aside their jai ho invincible and perfect faultless indian military attitude.. if 50% blame goes to genrols and import lobbies then rest of 50% also goes to their training, maintainence, handling, protocols etc of IAF.. its probably the most crashed airforce too keeping in mind the ratio of their jets to crashes
View: https://x.com/gngziy2ldhfgg/status/1884717756626403486

 

[SKC]

you know what... its about time people started questioning indian airforce too.. keeping aside their jai ho invincible and perfect faultless indian military attitude.. if 50% blame goes to genrols and import lobbies then rest of 50% also goes to their training, maintainence, handling, protocols etc of IAF.. its probably the most crashed airforce too keeping in mind the ratio of their jets to crashes
View: https://x.com/gngziy2ldhfgg/status/1884717756626403486

We do that all the time.

 

[shade2]

you know what... its about time people started questioning indian airforce too.. keeping aside their jai ho invincible and perfect faultless indian military attitude.. if 50% blame goes to genrols and import lobbies then rest of 50% also goes to their training, maintainence, handling, protocols etc of IAF.. its probably the most crashed airforce too keeping in mind the ratio of their jets to crashes
View: https://x.com/gngziy2ldhfgg/status/1884717756626403486

All 3 forces seem to have a lax attitude towards maintenance and safety, although it is mainly crashing jets and ships falling in dry dock and boat-collisions that grab headlines.

Anyway don't take Ching and Paki seriously, they can cover-up their crashes.
Even US fighters crash like the recent F-35 and we have Roosi maal which is abused far beyond it's expiry date so it's expected

 

[Gandaberunda]

View: https://x.com/RusEmbIndia/status/1884590503913787411

How does this compare to the Rafale? Afaik it's not a true stealth jet either like the US or Ching ones.

Chings ones is true stealth with canards?