Indian Air Force: News & Discussions

[silentassassin265]

Su 57 jets have shot down Ukrainian Su 27 & F16 from >150 kms away & without even triggering RWR/MAWS . Whatever tech they've is more than capable of taking down any Porki/Chinese jets. US is too unreliable to depend upon & we should never buy any fighter jets from them .

Which missile they used? Is it even possible to shoot down a jet from 150km?

 

[705-Lira]

Which missile they used? Is it even possible to shoot down a jet from 150km?

R-37M has that sort of capability

 

[maximus777]

Su 57 jets have shot down Ukrainian Su 27 & F16 from >150 kms away & without even triggering RWR/MAWS . Whatever tech they've is more than capable of taking down any Porki/Chinese jets. US is too unreliable to depend upon & we should never buy any fighter jets from them .

This is some serious Tom Cruise kind of $hit!! Any sources to verify this?

 

[Spitfire IX]

Su 57 jets have shot down Ukrainian Su 27 & F16 from >150 kms away & without even triggering RWR/MAWS .

Must be using a very stealthy A2A missile to do that, mustn't it?

 

[Hari Sud]

Might not be perfect stealth jet but still it's the best replacement for su30mki.
Relying solely on murrica for our local fighter jet program was a mistake, we must diversify our aquisition of fighter jet to keep our airforce running.

BS ….. The SU-30Mki is not due for replacement for another 20 to 30 years. It is highly upgraded in next three years.

 

[lexCommando]

you know what... its about time people started questioning indian airforce too.. keeping aside their jai ho invincible and perfect faultless indian military attitude.. if 50% blame goes to genrols and import lobbies then rest of 50% also goes to their training, maintainence, handling, protocols etc of IAF.. its probably the most crashed airforce too keeping in mind the ratio of their jets to crashes
View: https://x.com/gngziy2ldhfgg/status/1884717756626403486

 

[SKC]

you know what... its about time people started questioning indian airforce too.. keeping aside their jai ho invincible and perfect faultless indian military attitude.. if 50% blame goes to genrols and import lobbies then rest of 50% also goes to their training, maintainence, handling, protocols etc of IAF.. its probably the most crashed airforce too keeping in mind the ratio of their jets to crashes
View: https://x.com/gngziy2ldhfgg/status/1884717756626403486

We do that all the time.

 

[shade2]

you know what... its about time people started questioning indian airforce too.. keeping aside their jai ho invincible and perfect faultless indian military attitude.. if 50% blame goes to genrols and import lobbies then rest of 50% also goes to their training, maintainence, handling, protocols etc of IAF.. its probably the most crashed airforce too keeping in mind the ratio of their jets to crashes
View: https://x.com/gngziy2ldhfgg/status/1884717756626403486

All 3 forces seem to have a lax attitude towards maintenance and safety, although it is mainly crashing jets and ships falling in dry dock and boat-collisions that grab headlines.

Anyway don't take Ching and Paki seriously, they can cover-up their crashes.
Even US fighters crash like the recent F-35 and we have Roosi maal which is abused far beyond it's expiry date so it's expected

 

[Gandaberunda]

View: https://x.com/RusEmbIndia/status/1884590503913787411

How does this compare to the Rafale? Afaik it's not a true stealth jet either like the US or Ching ones.

Chings ones is true stealth with canards?

 

[shade2]

Chings ones is true stealth with canards?

I mean it has the shape and all.
Baaki idk, others are more knowledgable in this area

 

[Spitfire IX]

With AMCA prospectively not reaching FOC until some time in the 2040's, India is contemplating buying Su-57. This article suggests that Su-57 has a long way to go before it, too, will be fully developed. In view of what it says, should India be thinking of buying the Su-57?

From rubles to rubble: The true cost of fielding Su-57 Felon

The initial cost estimates for the Su-57 have been a matter of much speculation and debate. Early figures suggested a unit cost hovering around $35-$50 million.

bulgarianmilitary.com

 

[Spitfire IX]

I see an opportunity here for India to get a bargain. However, opportunities for getting a bargain need to be taken when they are there. Sadly, not something India is set up to do.

Breaking - Spain and France slash A400M orders, Airbus in trouble

Airbus faces significant challenges as reports suggest Spain and France are considering reductions in their initial orders for the A400M military aircraft.

bulgarianmilitary.com

 

[Ultraman]

people seem to be taking this as a sign IAF is leaning towards su-57

interesting times ahead .


View: https://x.com/hvtiaf_bharat/status/1884633092117152160

 

[Ultraman]

maybe already posted . source for that twitter post by wlvn

translation

"French pilots [on Rafale] regularly facing fifth-generation fighters [like the American F35] in inter-allied exercises note that the combat mission against stealth fighters is impossible to win with the current state of the sensors." Result: "In the event of engagement alongside its Western allies in a high-intensity conflict, the French fighter could be confined to the role of supporting fifth-generation fighters."


View: https://x.com/jdomerchet/status/1884231471407198384

article is behind paywall , but found another article

Une étude met en garde contre le possible "déclassement" de l'aviation de combat française - Zone Militaire

Lors d'une audition parlementaire, en juillet 2017, alors chef d'état-major de l'armée de l'Air et de l'Espace , le général André Lanata s'était inquiété

www.opex360.com

And to clarify: "French pilots regularly facing 5th generation fighters in inter-allied exercises note that 'the combat mission against stealth fighters on Rafale is impossible to win with the current state of the sensors."

While "radar stealth is certainly not enough to achieve air superiority," it is nevertheless an "undeniable asset, particularly in the toughest scenarios, unless low-altitude penetration missions are accepted, with a high level of risk," the authors of this study emphasize. In addition, they continue, "it could also become an entry ticket for front-line missions, and therefore a marker of influence for a coalition's strategic options."

Under these conditions, they warn, French fighter aircraft "could be confined to the role of 'supplementary'" in a "two-speed air coalition, in which 4th generation fighters will have their place." General Lanata had said nothing else almost eight years ago.

That being said, this "sensors" business is intriguing. If an aircraft like the F-35 can be "invisible" to certain means of detection [this is a priori not the case for passive radars and it depends on the frequency bands used], its infrared signature - with its F-135 engine - can betray it. The IR channel of the Optronic Front Sector [OSF] of the Rafale would be able to detect it face to face, subject, however, to weather conditions.

Incidentally, the Rafale will soon be equipped with an improved OSF, the General Directorate of Armaments having recently conducted tests on a new optic on the infrared channel of the OSF, this being supposed to improve the "image quality of the Night Identification function".

 

[Asmodeus]

I mean it has the shape and all.
Baaki idk, others are more knowledgable in this area

I have one argument to suggest.. J20 is highly manueverable like F-22 hence the canards right? J-20 flew somewhere around 2010. so Chini should be able to build stealth jet without canards based on J20 for added stealth if they want to. if you have F-22 class jet why would one go backwards to build twin engine F-35 with stolen tech?? unless J-20 isn't as stealthy, or Chong's stealth improvements don't match US. its same as after building AMCA we would do espionage to build F-35 again. Doesn't make sense to me.

 

[Neil (नील/Нил)]

Su 57 jets have shot down Ukrainian Su 27 & F16 from >150 kms away & without even triggering RWR/MAWS .

While I am a very big fan of the Russian Su-57, I am very much skeptical about this claim because its chances of being true are very low to simply outright impossible.

Let's dissect this claim & perform a simple analysis.
In terms of air-to-air missiles, the Su-57 can carry the R-77M, R-74M2, R-37.
According to your claim:
"Su 57 jets have shot down Ukrainian Su 27 & F-16 from >150 kms away....."
The R-74M2 is a short-range AAM with a range of 40 kilometres (25 mi) so it couldn't have been used in this hypothetical shootdown.
Next up we have the R-77M which is a modernized version of the original R-77 tailor made for the Su-57. The R-77M has a maximum range of 193km, so it could have been used by the Su-57 to shootdown jets like the Su-27 & F-16 being operated by the Ukrainian Airforce but this is also very unlikely because even though the R-77M has a range of 190+ kms, at distances like more than 150 kms the missile would have lost most of its speed, velocity, Kinetic energy (KE) etc and would have been too sluggish (in other words, not manoeuvrable enough) to hit a target such as an F-16 or Su-27, because both of these aircraft can pull off 9+ G maneuvers and at those ranges, an R-77M would have lost so much of its KE, that it would have been easily dodged/evaded. The R-37 with its impressive range of 150-400 kms is by far the most likely candidate.

"& without even triggering RWR/MAWS."
This is the hardest part for me to believe, afaik there is no such missile that is so stealth that it can completely evade triggering RWR or MAWS. What you are describing seems to be more reminiscent of something one would find in some game like Ace Combat.

Your claim would have been more believable if it was just:
"Su-57 jets have shot down Ukrainian Su 27 & F-16 from >150 kms away."

But you lost me when you brought up
"& without even triggering RWR/MAWS."
That said, if you can provide a source from where you got this claim from, it would be most appreciated or else at the moment it will be taken as unsubstantiated and made up stories. Peace out.