Indian Air Force: News & Discussions

Suddenly F35 is in everywhere , any tom dick Harry has turned into defence expert
Yesterday I was reading some tweets from a congress troll comparing F35 and Su57 giving Su57 edge based on range service ceiling , wtf ...
 
F-35 is the worst option for India.
to counter 500 J20/J35, 56 F-35 will be shot down within weeks..
but the money needed to mentain them until their eventual fate is equivalent to 4-5 years of delays for AMCA which can realistically act as a deterrance against any agression in near future. I don't understand why F-35 is even a discussion unless it is being funded by uncle sam.


Not to mention, Muricans will have access to our bases for MRO of such jets and full control over data collected and weaponary. target aquisition requires its signature to match with given library.

Better option is to join NATO and have them defend our borders instead of paying for your own colonisation.
 
I don't query what you say but why are SAAB (and others I think) spending money pitching their wares, then?
They are that desparate.

It is obvious India has jet shortage. So they are angling for if and when mrfa takes place or perhaps a G2G deal to sell gripen.

Yet with mk2 prototype roll out gripen has no chance in India.
 
F-35 is the worst option for India.
to counter 500 J20/J35, 56 F-35 will be shot down within weeks..
but the money needed to mentain them until their eventual fate is equivalent to 4-5 years of delays for AMCA which can realistically act as a deterrance against any agression in near future. I don't understand why F-35 is even a discussion unless it is being funded by uncle sam.


Not to mention, Muricans will have access to our bases for MRO of such jets and full control over data collected and weaponary. target aquisition requires its signature to match with given library.

Better option is to join NATO and have them defend our borders instead of paying for your own colonisation.
That's a bad comparison. A majority of China's airpower is focused on taiwan not india. 56 F-35 will be a superior force than 40 J-35 Pakistan will supposedly buy and the few J-20's located in Tibet.
 
to counter 500 J20/J35, 56 F-35 will be shot down within weeks..
If we're talking a LSCO with China with 500 J-20 then everything would be shot down in weeks; be it all our antiques or 250 Su-30MkIs that we've kept upgrading continuously to Super Ultra Pro Max standard or whatever numbers of AMCA we'll theoretically produce in next 15 years. It's not a fact of how advanced J-20 is or the usual BS of F-35's kill switch or Su-57 being a cheaper...it's has more to do with the budget, infrastructure and first mover's advantage of China.

As for NATO, we can't even dream of joining the current NATO led by USA with such high uncertainty in foreign policies. Maybe if there's a "new" NATO with say France as its centerpiece with countries like Japan and SoKo also in it, then we can think of it.
 
That's a bad comparison. A majority of China's airpower is focused on taiwan not india. 56 F-35 will be a superior force than 40 J-35 Pakistan will supposedly buy and the few J-20's located in Tibet.
I am not considering Pakistanis having 5th gen for upcoming 5-8 years for various reasons. But I don't agree with China being focused on Taiwan. Its a tiny country can't last for 6 month if all out war broke out with all the help from Muricans which is questionable.

If we're talking a LSCO with China with 500 J-20 then everything would be shot down in weeks; be it all our antiques or 250 Su-30MkIs that we've kept upgrading continuously to Super Ultra Pro Max standard or whatever numbers of AMCA
not really, With super sukhoi and AMCA combo they will have the capacity to communicate with every asset that we deploy. A fight with system of systems (what saurav jha mentioned @DDR)
It is also backed by the fact that every 5th gen operator has doubled down on their production of 4.5 gen fighters because they need their numbers in air foe 5th gen to work in shadows.
As for NATO, we can't even dream of joining the current NATO led by USA with such high uncertainty in foreign policies. Maybe if there's a "new" NATO with say France as its centerpiece with countries like Japan and SoKo also in it, then we can think of it.
There were reports that US asked India to join NATO last year but we declined for obvious reasons.. But my point was if we have to choose between F-35 and NATO. The later is more convinient and cheaper option.
 
not really, With super sukhoi and AMCA combo they will have the capacity to communicate with every asset that we deploy.
I mentioned Super Sukhois as a sarcasm, not a fact
Where are all the Super Sukhois? Where are AMCAs? How many of these would be there in the next 15 years if all funds are cleared today?

Our Super Sukhoi is still on the drawing board and there's already flying in the form of J-15 and J-16. And they plan to do it fleet wise on all the 700 or so Sukhois they've. And if a "fight with system of systems" is in question then we don't even the components of such system like AWACS, EW and SEAD...they have. We can't make a system of systems with blank placeholders.
But my point was if we have to choose between F-35 and NATO.
People already in NATO are thinking of leaving it and making their own security alliance and you want us to think about it? Without NATO we might face a battering defeat in the hands of China but with the current USA led NATO we'd get torn into West and East India like Germany.
 
We do have the SEAD component coming online very soon..

View: https://x.com/alpha_defense/status/1891707374982795523

View: https://x.com/shreedharsingh9/status/1891590743447237052
also anti-sead
View: https://x.com/NewsIADN/status/1817986703682125894

EW, we are there already just not a public knowledge

View: https://x.com/alpha_defense/status/1891554544020054486


View: https://x.com/alpha_defense/status/1635620693093269508

AWACS is a mess currently I agree.
Things are going on in background but not many are aware.
 
We do have the SEAD component coming online very soon..
We don't have SEAD component, we rather have "a component" of SEAD.

There's difference between an Ukrainian Su-27 doing SEAD with HARM and a F-16CJ doing it. You need multiple additional components like enhanced Radar Warning Receiver, RF mapping equipments.
EW we are there already just not a public knowledge
Again, we've excellent jamming pods in the form of DRDO's ASPJs but that's not a dedicated EW system; just one component of it.

You need multiple jamming systems covering the whole radar spectrum with equipment weighing as much as 2 tonnes.

Definitely there's no doubt that we're on our way to achieve all these but the point here was a conflict with China. So how many of these we currently have is more important. And perhaps even more important is how much of these would we be fielding in the coming decade Vs how many China would be.
 
I am not considering Pakistanis having 5th gen for upcoming 5-8 years for various reasons. But I don't agree with China being focused on Taiwan. Its a tiny country can't last for 6 month if all out war broke out with all the help from Muricans which is questionable.


not really, With super sukhoi and AMCA combo they will have the capacity to communicate with every asset that we deploy. A fight with system of systems (what saurav jha mentioned @DDR)
It is also backed by the fact that every 5th gen operator has doubled down on their production of 4.5 gen fighters because they need their numbers in air foe 5th gen to work in shadows.

There were reports that US asked India to join NATO last year but we declined for obvious reasons.. But my point was if we have to choose between F-35 and NATO. The later is more convinient and cheaper option.
China is preparing for a war against the Americans, a vast majority of their air assets are positioned towards the east, far away from India. There is not enough infrastructure near the border to support large air operations from China. Chinese jet's have to takeoff with less payload as well due to higher elevation of Tibetan plateau. We've only seen very small number of J20 in tibet. Fear mongering Chinese airpower in numbers doesn't make sense when logistically it would be near impossible for China to actually field that many fighters near India.
 
I believe the IAF also comes to such a conclusion, else J-20 has been in production for very long time and MoD did not bat an eye. But when Pakistan announced purchase for only a few J-35, there is suddenly interest again in import stopgap yada yada. Pakistan fighters are 100% aimed towards india, while China can only muster up small portion of it's fleet in the local area.
 
These come out every now and then, notice gobar times havent reported the news as confirmed, it said pakistan is seeking..




 
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China is preparing for a war against the Americans, a vast majority of their air assets are positioned towards the east, far away from India. There is not enough infrastructure near the border to support large air operations from China. Chinese jet's have to takeoff with less payload as well due to higher elevation of Tibetan plateau. We've only seen very small number of J20 in tibet. Fear mongering Chinese airpower in numbers doesn't make sense when logistically it would be near impossible for China to actually field that many fighters near India.
Chinese jet's have to takeoff with less payload as well due to higher elevation of Tibetan plateau.
China has 21 tankers right are now.
And producing 10-15 Y-20 transport/tanker/awacs per year.
By 2030 they will have 35-45 tanker aircraft and could reach 70+ tankers by 2035, plus they are also going for conversion system to convert transport varient of y20 to temporary tankers when needed.

Plus j20 with just IWB payload(stealth mode) won't be much affected by high elevation.
 
We do have the SEAD component coming online very soon..

View: https://x.com/alpha_defense/status/1891707374982795523

View: https://x.com/shreedharsingh9/status/1891590743447237052
also anti-sead
View: https://x.com/NewsIADN/status/1817986703682125894

EW, we are there already just not a public knowledge

View: https://x.com/alpha_defense/status/1891554544020054486


View: https://x.com/alpha_defense/status/1635620693093269508

AWACS is a mess currently I agree.
Things are going on in background but not many are aware.

Super Sukhoi is at least a decade away.
 
Super Sukhoi is at least a decade away.
not decade 5 years. Its not like F35 will be delivered tommarrow.

View: https://x.com/livefist/status/1891740685990064316

Ridiculous that HAL is only now test-firing Astra from Tejas Mk-1A

I have confused opinion on this for 2 reasons
A) Kind of understandable that you can't do firing trials because of lack of engines (cat B only 8 that too were delayed by IAF AFAIK)
B) IAF suggested some last minute sofware changed in last year March which needed to be validated first (don't know if commitment to deliver 10mk1a's was when contract was signed 2021 or when changes were suggested, March,24)

can anyone confirm??

 
F-35 is the worst option for India.
to counter 500 J20/J35, 56 F-35 will be shot down within weeks..
but the money needed to mentain them until their eventual fate is equivalent to 4-5 years of delays for AMCA which can realistically act as a deterrance against any agression in near future. I don't understand why F-35 is even a discussion unless it is being funded by uncle sam.


Not to mention, Muricans will have access to our bases for MRO of such jets and full control over data collected and weaponary. target aquisition requires its signature to match with given library.

Better option is to join NATO and have them defend our borders instead of paying for your own colonisation.
You mean that Chinese made third rate Stealth fighters will shoot down the F-35 within a week……. Dream on.
 

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