Indian Air Force: News & Discussions

[IndiaRising]

Is it b2?

Yes

 

[Nutcracker]

View: https://x.com/HocusPocusPiza/status/1891429312512901247

Wtf wtf. Need more confirmations.

 

[IndiaRising]

View: https://x.com/nit_ayatana/status/1891450681652846947

Sad

 

[bruno]

The way the fakes news are spreading in your country is just amazing ! Like you wanted to confirm my previous point...

(i'm jocking)

 

[iNorthernerOn9]

This nation needs a bloody crushing defeat of an unfathomable scale...

Sadak par ludakh rahe chaapri se lekar top par baithne waale tak... sab ka dimaag theek ho jaayega

As I type... a very crafty low iq narrative is being forcefully spread on SM infusing all kind of shit logic... with aim to create a pan India unrest if govt goes ahead to ink F35 deal.

I strongly feel they are planning to riot and create mayhem if modi goes ahead with F35.

Sab ke sab bsdk defence expert hain.

Earlier today was reading something... and got reminded this... the last thing of substance that happened in previous trump presidency... barely a week before US presidential election in 2020... was inking of BECA... the last of the 3 foundational defence agreements... just a week before... for which then secretary of state & defence flew to India.

AMCA is not getting inducted before 2035 at the earliest... it won't be in squadron strength before say 2038.

Chinese will have atleast 700-800 J-20 by 2030... of which at the very least 1/4th would be parked within 1000km of our borders.

PAF will induct atleast 4 squadrons of J-35... of which I suppose atleast 2 would be operational by 2032. Inductions in all probability will begin in 2027 not later.

Bcoz of our lackluster planning and execution Our problem got compounded... we are very short of jets and there's no 5th gen option immediately available... both these things hit us at once.

If they wish to acquire F35... anything below 3 squadron(54 aircraft) would be a joke.

I hope they might have learnt from Mirage & Rafale Acquisition.

 

[Spitfire IX]

IAF needs fighters. Light fighters are soon to be delivered (Tejas Mk1A). but heavier fighters are also required. How quickly could the following fighters be delivered ?

F-35
Su-57
Tejas Mk2
Rafale

If the timeline for all of those is too long, what about Eurofighter?

It is all very well waiting for MRFA but while India is waiting IAF will be receiving nothing but short range, limited payload light fighters.

Is it time to scrap MRFA and buy a fighter with quick availability on a G2G basis?

 

[Indianhawk]

Is it time to scrap MRFA and buy a fighter with quick availability on a G2G basis?

MRFA has not been even notified yet. So it can't be scrapped.

 

[Indianhawk]

Chinese will have atleast 700-800 J-20 by 2030... of which at the very least 1/4th would be parked within 1000km of our borders.

Do they not already have 300 j20?? What's stopping them from attacking us right now!

PAF will induct atleast 4 squadrons of J-35... of which I suppose atleast 2 would be operational by 2032. Inductions in all probability will begin in 2027 not later.

What if by 2035 Chinese gift pak 2 squadron of j36-j50 whatever triangle they flew recently. Wouldn't that render f35 obsolete.

 

[Azaad]

Do they not already have 300 j20?? What's stopping them from attacking us right now!

The theater ization & modernization of the Chinese armed forces are due to be completed in 2027-28. Add a year's buffer though it's mostly on schedule or at least I haven't come across articles claiming otherwise .

Whatever you can anticipate, whether Taiwan or India will occur post 2028 or 29.

What if by 2035 Chinese gift pak 2 squadron of j36-j50 whatever triangle they flew recently. Wouldn't that render f35 obsolete.

 

[Brood Father]

Suddenly F35 is in everywhere , any tom dick Harry has turned into defence expert
Yesterday I was reading some tweets from a congress troll comparing F35 and Su57 giving Su57 edge based on range service ceiling , wtf ...

 

[Spitfire IX]

MRFA has not been even notified yet. So it can't be scrapped.

I don't query what you say but why are SAAB (and others I think) spending money pitching their wares, then?

 

[Asmodeus]

F-35 is the worst option for India.
to counter 500 J20/J35, 56 F-35 will be shot down within weeks..
but the money needed to mentain them until their eventual fate is equivalent to 4-5 years of delays for AMCA which can realistically act as a deterrance against any agression in near future. I don't understand why F-35 is even a discussion unless it is being funded by uncle sam.


Not to mention, Muricans will have access to our bases for MRO of such jets and full control over data collected and weaponary. target aquisition requires its signature to match with given library.

Better option is to join NATO and have them defend our borders instead of paying for your own colonisation.

 

[Indianhawk]

I don't query what you say but why are SAAB (and others I think) spending money pitching their wares, then?

They are that desparate.

It is obvious India has jet shortage. So they are angling for if and when mrfa takes place or perhaps a G2G deal to sell gripen.

Yet with mk2 prototype roll out gripen has no chance in India.

 

[Kontakt5]

F-35 is the worst option for India.
to counter 500 J20/J35, 56 F-35 will be shot down within weeks..
but the money needed to mentain them until their eventual fate is equivalent to 4-5 years of delays for AMCA which can realistically act as a deterrance against any agression in near future. I don't understand why F-35 is even a discussion unless it is being funded by uncle sam.


Not to mention, Muricans will have access to our bases for MRO of such jets and full control over data collected and weaponary. target aquisition requires its signature to match with given library.

Better option is to join NATO and have them defend our borders instead of paying for your own colonisation.

That's a bad comparison. A majority of China's airpower is focused on taiwan not india. 56 F-35 will be a superior force than 40 J-35 Pakistan will supposedly buy and the few J-20's located in Tibet.

 

[Ayan Barat]

to counter 500 J20/J35, 56 F-35 will be shot down within weeks..

If we're talking a LSCO with China with 500 J-20 then everything would be shot down in weeks; be it all our antiques or 250 Su-30MkIs that we've kept upgrading continuously to Super Ultra Pro Max standard or whatever numbers of AMCA we'll theoretically produce in next 15 years. It's not a fact of how advanced J-20 is or the usual BS of F-35's kill switch or Su-57 being a cheaper...it's has more to do with the budget, infrastructure and first mover's advantage of China.

As for NATO, we can't even dream of joining the current NATO led by USA with such high uncertainty in foreign policies. Maybe if there's a "new" NATO with say France as its centerpiece with countries like Japan and SoKo also in it, then we can think of it.

 

[Asmodeus]

That's a bad comparison. A majority of China's airpower is focused on taiwan not india. 56 F-35 will be a superior force than 40 J-35 Pakistan will supposedly buy and the few J-20's located in Tibet.

I am not considering Pakistanis having 5th gen for upcoming 5-8 years for various reasons. But I don't agree with China being focused on Taiwan. Its a tiny country can't last for 6 month if all out war broke out with all the help from Muricans which is questionable.

If we're talking a LSCO with China with 500 J-20 then everything would be shot down in weeks; be it all our antiques or 250 Su-30MkIs that we've kept upgrading continuously to Super Ultra Pro Max standard or whatever numbers of AMCA

not really, With super sukhoi and AMCA combo they will have the capacity to communicate with every asset that we deploy. A fight with system of systems (what saurav jha mentioned @DDR)
It is also backed by the fact that every 5th gen operator has doubled down on their production of 4.5 gen fighters because they need their numbers in air foe 5th gen to work in shadows.

As for NATO, we can't even dream of joining the current NATO led by USA with such high uncertainty in foreign policies. Maybe if there's a "new" NATO with say France as its centerpiece with countries like Japan and SoKo also in it, then we can think of it.

There were reports that US asked India to join NATO last year but we declined for obvious reasons.. But my point was if we have to choose between F-35 and NATO. The later is more convinient and cheaper option.

 

[Ayan Barat]

not really, With super sukhoi and AMCA combo they will have the capacity to communicate with every asset that we deploy.

I mentioned Super Sukhois as a sarcasm, not a fact
Where are all the Super Sukhois? Where are AMCAs? How many of these would be there in the next 15 years if all funds are cleared today?

Our Super Sukhoi is still on the drawing board and there's already flying in the form of J-15 and J-16. And they plan to do it fleet wise on all the 700 or so Sukhois they've. And if a "fight with system of systems" is in question then we don't even the components of such system like AWACS, EW and SEAD...they have. We can't make a system of systems with blank placeholders.

But my point was if we have to choose between F-35 and NATO.

People already in NATO are thinking of leaving it and making their own security alliance and you want us to think about it? Without NATO we might face a battering defeat in the hands of China but with the current USA led NATO we'd get torn into West and East India like Germany.

 

[Asmodeus]

We do have the SEAD component coming online very soon..

View: https://x.com/alpha_defense/status/1891707374982795523

View: https://x.com/shreedharsingh9/status/1891590743447237052
also anti-sead
View: https://x.com/NewsIADN/status/1817986703682125894

EW, we are there already just not a public knowledge

View: https://x.com/alpha_defense/status/1891554544020054486


View: https://x.com/alpha_defense/status/1635620693093269508

AWACS is a mess currently I agree.
Things are going on in background but not many are aware.

 

[Ayan Barat]

We do have the SEAD component coming online very soon..

We don't have SEAD component, we rather have "a component" of SEAD.

There's difference between an Ukrainian Su-27 doing SEAD with HARM and a F-16CJ doing it. You need multiple additional components like enhanced Radar Warning Receiver, RF mapping equipments.

EW we are there already just not a public knowledge

Again, we've excellent jamming pods in the form of DRDO's ASPJs but that's not a dedicated EW system; just one component of it.

You need multiple jamming systems covering the whole radar spectrum with equipment weighing as much as 2 tonnes.

Definitely there's no doubt that we're on our way to achieve all these but the point here was a conflict with China. So how many of these we currently have is more important. And perhaps even more important is how much of these would we be fielding in the coming decade Vs how many China would be.

 

[Asmodeus]

Here it has 'every' component "Its a thread"

View: https://x.com/Varun55484761/status/1639641175060799490