Indian Army Artillery Programme

Clawreed said:
Orders are for light towed artillery. So, it's for against China. They should go for Bharat forge ULH. They have developed it already.
Baba Kalyani says it's one-third the price of m777 but they are made of steel.
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1/3rd the price implies less kickbacks to corrupt gernails and lobby, We will be very fortunate if atags even sees 100 no.s being ordered, its an Arjun in the making, and all corrupt bastards will go scot free...at this stage aatmanirbharta is a fking joke !
 
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Fatalis said:

Indian Army starts process to buy more powerful and lighter artillery guns for Rs 7,000 crore - The Economic Times

The Indian Army has issued a tender for next-generation artillery guns to be designed and manufactured domestically. With an initial requirement of 400 units, the number is expected to rise as older equipment gets replaced. Private defense companies like Larsen & Toubro, Bharat Forge, and Tata...
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Indian Army is doing its best to eliminate ATAGS from its acquisition list. Like the Olympic wrestling Championship where 100 grams were used to disqualify a candidate; Indian Army is using weight to disqualify a top of the line artillery gun with much higher range from acquisition. They did the same for Arjun tank about 10 years back, because they wanted a highly questionable T-90 tank.

The Army's acquisition and standard setting organization needs a full overhaul.
 
Fatalis said:

Indian Army starts process to buy more powerful and lighter artillery guns for Rs 7,000 crore - The Economic Times

The Indian Army has issued a tender for next-generation artillery guns to be designed and manufactured domestically. With an initial requirement of 400 units, the number is expected to rise as older equipment gets replaced. Private defense companies like Larsen & Toubro, Bharat Forge, and Tata...
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there are news reports this tender, but where is the tender(RFP)?
it's not on IA website, and there is no new arty related RFI either.
 
ezsasa said:
there are news reports this tender, but where is the tender(RFP)?
it's not on IA website, and there is no new arty related RFI either.
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Did you find the RFP for ATAGS?

Looks like either IA has not released it or they are keeping it out from public domain.
 

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"We're not giving the complete order at one time for a particular type of gun...so that we can absorb better technology.. technology is fast changing.The aim is with every type of gun we can get the best technology available in market. "

Trials are going on for guided extended range with a range of 75km(pinaka mk2 trials still going on?)

MGS trials next year ( Key features:crew and ammunition on board the system, shoot -and -scoot capability)
TGS trials to start next year.

"Hopeful Atags contract will be signed within this financial year. "
 
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Clawreed said:

View: https://youtu.be/Z2gSYZV9PAw?si=V-qCWbMILybslpNY
"We're not giving the complete order at one time for a particular type of gun...so that we can absorb better technology.. technology is fast changing.The aim is with every type of gun we can get the best technology available in market. "

Trials are going on for guided extended range with a range of 75km(pinaka mk2 trials still going on?)

MGS trials next year ( Key features:crew and ammunition on board the system, shoot -and -scoot capability)
TGS trials to start next year.

"Hopeful Atags contract will be signed within this financial year. "
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Hopefully this general waits until his retirement to make a decision post retirement...

But then he tells the same lame excuse of the technology is changing so we will be evaluating... 🥸

Technology always evolves but what we have on our inventory matters.

We are far behind our rivals on our artillery inventory....

It's quite lame that we never learn from our mistakes...

Without significant orders our private sector cannot invest in R&D for artillery. We need a decent amount of order to Fuel their growth in a sustainable way. About 300 artillery won't be enough.

It's quite saddening that our babus are willing to import stuff in significant amount but not willing to support local producers...
 
Clawreed said:
technology is fast changing.
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It's a fucking piece of artillery, the guns were the same 15 years ago and will remain the same 15 years later, WTF is he talking about.
"Technology is fast changing" that's why we will take a whole fucking decade just to do test and trials and still not order the fucking thing.


Clawreed said:
Trials are going on for guided extended range with a range of 75km
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Pundit Pikachu said:
It's a fucking piece of artillery, the guns were the same 15 years ago and will remain the same 15 years later, WTF is he talking about.
"Technology is fast changing" that's why we will take a whole fucking decade just to do test and trials and still not order the fucking thing.



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indigenisation process of 155mm arty started only after 2011 with dhanush, with first gun produced in 2015. our clock starts in 2015.

Since 2015 the public and private together produced :

AWEIL
- Dhanush (induction in process )
- Dhanush MGS (Proposed)
- Sharang

KALYANI
- ATAGS
- Bharat ULH - 39
- Bharat 45
- Bharat 52
- MarG 155-BR (MGS)

TATA
- ATAGS
- MGS 155/52
- ALTGS (Proposed)

Mahindra
- M777 (assembly) (delivered)

L&T
- K9 Vajra (assembly with modifications) (delivered)

Orders given :
2016 - M777
2016 - K9 Vajra
2017 - Dhanush
2018 - Sharang

Upcoming orders
ATAGS 307

Upcoming trails
MGS

Upcoming RFI
TGS

since towed gun requirement is around 1800 guns, that's where most of the noise is. rest of orders are in 100's, have been a relatively smoother process so far.
 
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Clawreed said:
We're not giving the complete order at one time for a particular type of gun...so that we can absorb better technology.. technology is fast changing.The aim is with every type of gun we can get the best technology available in market. "
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Right....With jokers like this in IA, no wonder ATAGS will never get any orders beyond 300 (that too is doubtful)

Better rename IA to 'SMALL ARMS AND ARTILLERY ZOO'
 
ezsasa said:
you are talking about an era where parliamentary defence committee meetings used to end early because MPs had flight to catch,
you are talking about an era where russians would deny permission to add a cooling system to T-90,
you are talking about an era, where services to return tens of thousands of crores of unspent capex each year,
you are talking about an era, where defence minister in parliament said there is no money to buy new jets.
you are talking about an era, when IAF chief had to run a secret op to open a forward airfield in ladakh because gormint of the day won't allow it.
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You don't need me to tell me about this list, I already know about all that,
In an ideal scenario when the political situation changed for the army, they should have introspected and made-up for that lost time, which they have (army in particular) not
You know why ?
because It was the same era when Navy admirals used to sell their Imaan for some Russian poosy,
It was the same era when DRDO was forced to put additional security on Arjun prototype because it could have gotten sabotaged inside a Army base.

In the era you are talking about both military and Political leadership were in cahoots however even though now political leadership has changed but army has not and I am merely calling them out

It's true that we can't go back in time but we can atleast makeup for that lost time by doing things more swiftly and at a break neck speed in the present,
which we are not cause if we were then there wouldn't have been such lack luster attitude towards this whole fiasco and no one would have been making such outlandish claims as you
nobody would have been waiting for gold plated wunderwaffe by saying "technology is fast changing" nobody would have been giving excuses like "Trials going on" or will be ordered soon" or "RFI released" even though we are yet to see a firm order

ezsasa said:
don't drag me into shouting matches, i try my best to be a neutral and factual in my posts. i have no interest in these point scoring games
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I am not dragging you into shouting matches I am merely reminding you that you are being hopelessly optimistic even against you better judgement because even you know orders of most of the items you mentioned in your last post are going to take atleast a decade to materialize.
 
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Pundit Pikachu said:
Dhanush and Sarang are fucking ancient, they were good in 2005 not 2015, it's based on ToT from a 90s gun in essence it's a 30 year old technology.
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Yet the Swedes have literally no issues fielding the Archer FH77 on the frontline in 2024, and ruining Russkies in Ukraine. They were even made using the same batch of FH77 guns India ordered, but later cancelled.
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Could anyone enlighten me with what happened to the Light howitzer which had a titanium barrel (?) and was touted as a competitor/supplement to the M777? Wasn't there a separate tender for light howitzers as well?
 
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