Indian Politics and Democracy

[Comet]

View: https://x.com/rishibagree/status/1813597150129099032

 

[Sanatani]

Surprisingly acknowledgment by Yogi. So now he needs to salvage UP in Assembly and also for the Lok Sabha.

Good that they realized and acknowledged. Otherwise things were looking bad.

 

[Vinash]

View: https://twitter.com/SudhanidhiB/status/1813485129894887429

For all those thinking that BJP woke up, the loser has already done a U-turn.

 

[karn]

Will be struck down in courts.

It violates 2 provisions in the constitution so that is a given . The assholes that are introducing it know it and this gives them the optics of "oh we tried but courts struck it down". But who is going to explain this 3d chess move to investors. Good for literally every state that is trying to get this low effort high return industry into their state.

 

[Comet]

View: https://x.com/BattaKashmiri/status/1813596547160109132

 

[crazywithmath]

For all those thinking that BJP woke up, the loser has already done a U-turn.

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Difference between him and Ghosh. The latter would have doubled down on it instead.

Bengal never elected a 'weak' party - moderates have no place in WB politics.

 

[Suryavanshi]

Difference between him and Ghosh. The latter would have doubled down on it instead.

Bengal never elected a 'weak' party - moderates have no place in WB politics.

I remember @Jackprince used to call Ghosh a Retard.
Seems like sentiment were never favorable for him, now behold of its alternate.

 

[Azaad]

How significant are general castes in Madhay pradesh I doubt they outnumber OBC and SC ST?
See they lost now we can point 100 reason why they lost, there is no solid reason.
I could pull up some other news article of pre election and say "see this is why they lost", but what is the authenticity of that?

Regardless , the abuse of the SC / ST act isn't new which is why the SC no bastion of conservatism , set it aside only for vote bank politics to bring it back thru Parliament.If anything this abuse is only going to increase.

I see it as a good sign in the long term for it lays a check on all non SC / STs to treat the SC / STs with respect thus reducing caste based oppression & consequently violence .

The more important point being it brings about an imminent clash between the OBCs & SCs / STs in the future which is when all these caste based parties will have their balls fried as the way caste heirarchies in rural / semi urban areas are developing , it's a direct competition for resources between the OBCs & the SCs since the GCs have more or less moved on from agriculture to mfg or the services sector.

Not so the OBCs & it won't be so for a long time.

 

[crazywithmath]

I remember @Jackprince used to call Ghosh a Retard.
Seems like sentiment were never favorable for him, now behold of its alternate.

Ghosh was loaned by the RSS to build the party from the ground up. Building a party in a state like Bengal requires herculean efforts - a job Ghosh excelled at. WB BJP was on a steady upsurge up until the 2019 Lok Sabha polls (they bagged 18/42 constituencies and came close 2nd in a few seats considered the den of the Adhikaries - the political dynasty Shubhendu belongs to). Hence, It made sense for Shubhendu to jump ships. He is NOT a mass leader - he cannot swing a single close contest outside his stronghold.

Adhikari's rise coincided with the gradual sidelining of Ghosh and a number of old timers like Shamik Bhattacharya (who would later be sent to the Rajya Sabha). A number of outsiders (who knew jack about WB politics) were imported from Hindi belt and allowed to micro manage things - they gave two shits to the opinions of WB BJP old timers and let an entire battalion of TMC rejects join the party. What transpired at the 2021 WB assembly polls was for everyone to see.

But Shubendu managed to defeat the Queen by a razor thin margin and became their new blue-eyed boy. Suddenly he was everywhere - he became the LoP and would routinely appear before the media; what came out of it?

Ghosh, otoh, was nowehere to be found. The party even denied him a ticket from the LS constituency he won back in 2019.

BJP suffered from devastating political violence in the run up to the 2019 LS polls; how many times did Ghosh approach the HC?

But these days, Shubhendu keeps moving to courts on a weekly basis. Politics is done on streets; not inside a fucking court. How many times do you think the Queen approached the courts when her party sat in opposition? Did her workers not suffer at the hands of the commies?

Ghosh is also a motormouth and does not mince his words one bit which given Bengal's electoral history is a net positive for the party. It is also why he was polling neck in neck with the Queen as the most preferred CM face in the run up to the 2021 Assembly polls - WB just adores this brand of politics.

WB BJP has actually made significant inroads into the urban regions but their overall vote share (at 2024 polls) increased only marginally. Do you know why? Because their rural vote share collapsed big time as there was nobody to protect their workers from the wrath of TMC's militia - while leaders like Shubhendu and Sukanta Majumdar kept giving media bites and fought one court case after another to lift section 144 at Sandeshkhali. The commies have actually witnessed an improvement in their vote share which ensured multiple three cornered contests across the Kolkata constituencies and helped anti TMC votes get divided - shows terrible micro management from the BJP. Commies are a dying force but they continue to retain a section of loyal cadres (who are in their 70s and 80s). A lot of anti TMC votes went there way in a general election (where they stood no chance of winning even a single constituency) just because the BJP leaders/workers were not very visible on the ground.

 

[silentassassin265]

Very few people get this.

India is the only country on the planet that practices state sponsored dysgenics. The quality of population is regressing with each passing year even though we are getting slightly richer. We are building on quick sand, we will collapse.

It's not the fault of any single party. Democracy powered by that useless book called the Constitution is the reason.

The cherry on top is our army is so indecisive that they cant choose their own weapons even after Spending decades, so the possibility of coup d'etat or dictatorship is negligible

 

[Roshan]

Re corporate DEI, it's a trade off they undertake knowing full well what money they can have access to if they choose to bend the knee as against what they lose in productivity and possibly bad PR for not doing so.

View: https://twitter.com/aaronsibarium/status/1668658866337218560?t=ZdWok2qQ44VKMsC8ieDAxA&s=19

 

[Roshan]

For all those thinking that BJP woke up, the loser has already done a U-turn.

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View: https://twitter.com/suryakane/status/1813251742659977558

 

[Vinash]

View: https://twitter.com/suryakane/status/1813251742659977558

RSS/BJP are Gandhians. Congress 2.0

Not an ounce of revolutionary spirit in them. They're merely happy to milk as much as they can while in power. They don't have the spine to take decisions that'll rattle the status quo. On the rare occasion that they do, they will backtrack at the slightest opposition instead of cracking the whip on the protestors.

I realized it a while ago. Hindus with a brain will eventually realize it at varying timelines.

 

[ezsasa]

View: https://twitter.com/suryakane/status/1813251742659977558

both speeches at recent NATCON (National Conservatism). this conference will probably happen in India next year.
noticed the commentary there after, similar to surya's comments.

doesn't look like the new lot of non-left commentariat who came into prominence after 2014, have realised the concept of pragmatism. on one hand the left and islamists are getting to bed together across the world to get electoral victories even though they have a history of theological and ideological sanction to eliminate each other across the world , and on the other hand we have our non-left commentariat who expect all their preferred check boxes to be ticked all the time.
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Swapan Dasgupta | Why India Suspects American Intentions​

View: https://youtu.be/FtDWIRgz01A

Ram Madhav | India’s Vision for World Conservatism​

View: https://youtu.be/yEUNh8HLluw

 

[Azaad]

'Knew Rahul as an articulate student at Cambridge': Nobel Laureate Amartya Sen gives ringing endorsement to Rahul Gandhi, says he's now articulate in politics

In an exclusive interview with PTI, Sen, who won the Nobel Prize in Economics in 1998, added that Rahul Gandhi's true test lies in how he leads the Opposition in Parliament during the current regime of Narendra Modi-led NDA government.

www.businesstoday.in

Since a Nobel laureate said so , it must be true.

 

[Roshan]

both speeches at recent NATCON (National Conservatism). this conference will probably happen in India next year.
noticed the commentary there after, similar to surya's comments.

doesn't look like the new lot of non-left commentariat who came into prominence after 2014, have realised the concept of pragmatism. on one hand the left and islamists are getting to bed together across the world to get electoral victories even though they have a history of theological and ideological sanction to eliminate each other across the world , and on the other hand we have our non-left commentariat who expect all their preferred check boxes to be ticked all the time.
====

Swapan Dasgupta | Why India Suspects American Intentions​

View: https://youtu.be/FtDWIRgz01A

Ram Madhav | India’s Vision for World Conservatism​

View: https://youtu.be/yEUNh8HLluw

2 things to keep in mind, first one being that you're not the left, especially where values and end goals are concerned so what lessons you are trying to learn from them is something you should be careful about. When you can recognize this you can also better recognize whether you're infact doing something pragmatic or just trying to dress up an avoidable compromise as pragmatism which can only dilute your position. Else O'Sullivan's law will almost surely kick in which means over time you will take many such pragmatic steps which will ensure a slow, irreversible drift in the direction of entropy which is what the left itself represents.
Second is that political parties/movements exist to achieve their supporters' goals, not the other way round. It's a little disingenuous IMO to think everyone who asks questions of them or thinks they're making mistakes is only doing so from a place of impractical impatience, as if they are infallible.

 

[ezsasa]

2 things to keep in mind, first one being that you're not the left, especially where values and end goals are concerned so what lessons you are trying to learn from them is something you should be careful about. When you can recognize this you can also better recognize whether you're infact doing something pragmatic or just trying to dress up an avoidable compromise as pragmatism which can only dilute your position. Else O'Sullivan's law will almost surely kick in which means over time you will take many such pragmatic steps which will ensure a slow, irreversible drift in the direction of entropy which is what the left itself represents.
Second is that political parties/movements exist to achieve their supporters' goals, not the other way round. It's a little disingenuous IMO to think everyone who asks questions of them or thinks they're making mistakes is only doing so from a place of impractical impatience, as if they are infallible.

that would be true if this discussion was about ideologies in classical sense, at this point in time in the murican leftists are siding with islamists. and murican conservatives are trying to be more open to other races. as if, all sides are prioritising electoral victories (short-medium)over ideological purity(long term).

on the point of, whether their presence in that conference is a potential ideological compromise. i am saying this is a false binary. an outreach programme in U.S which has been in the works for years need not be a viewed as a potential compromise. it's just a platform for exchanging of ideas, atleast both sides will get to know their stated positions.

on the point of political parties/movements exist to achieve their supporters' goals, just like there are supporters here, there is a NRI support base there too. if they want build bridges in that country, and the political party is listening to that section of support base, perhaps it should not be viewed as a compromise.

lastly on the point of being disingenuous, it's an opinion on a opinion on a speech given in specific context. i suppose, these days i am extremely worried about the effect of online de-contextualisation is having on discourse.

 

[hit&run]

both speeches at recent NATCON (National Conservatism). this conference will probably happen in India next year.
noticed the commentary there after, similar to surya's comments.

doesn't look like the new lot of non-left commentariat who came into prominence after 2014, have realised the concept of pragmatism. on one hand the left and islamists are getting to bed together across the world to get electoral victories even though they have a history of theological and ideological sanction to eliminate each other across the world , and on the other hand we have our non-left commentariat who expect all their preferred check boxes to be ticked all the time.
====

Swapan Dasgupta | Why India Suspects American Intentions​

View: https://youtu.be/FtDWIRgz01A

Ram Madhav | India’s Vision for World Conservatism​

View: https://youtu.be/yEUNh8HLluw

My DFI old post on conservative order. Rather, actually doing it these people have started to fake it.

Quad is dead. It will only be mentioned during some lavish diplomatic parties.
Let us not waste time on it.

Be ready to test some big smoky devices. Station few in space, double the arsenal in next 10 years. Change the bloody security paradigm and tilt the so called balance with lowest ever threshold.

Stabilize the union internally. More FDI means more lethal police force. Invest heavily on internal security, face recognition, riot predictive AI, bug every compromised Politician, infiltrate naxals and librandu inner circles, compromise opposition, buy every bloody hot head on the street, check their money flow, invest in 3rd or 4th front to address electoral anti-incumbency, make alliances with global RW entities, create a global fund to establish conservative order.

Do this and see how Librandus fall in line.

 

[Roshan]

that would be true if this discussion was about ideologies in classical sense, at this point in time in the murican leftists are siding with islamists. and murican conservatives are trying to be more open to other races. as if, all sides are prioritising electoral victories (short-medium)over ideological purity(long term).

on the point of, whether their presence in that conference is a potential ideological compromise. i am saying this is a false binary. an outreach programme in U.S which has been in the works for years need not be a viewed as a potential compromise. it's just a platform for exchanging of ideas, atleast both sides will get to know their stated positions.

on the point of political parties/movements exist to achieve their supporters' goals, just like there are supporters here, there is a NRI support base there too. if they want build bridges in that country, and the political party is listening to that section of support base, perhaps it should not be viewed as a compromise.

lastly on the point of being disingenuous, it's an opinion on a opinion on a speech given in specific context. i suppose, these days i am extremely worried about the effect of online de-contextualisation is having on discourse.

It goes back to their fundamentals and end goals and whether such alliances are detrimental to one or both. Just because for eg leftists side with Islamists doesn't mean that right wing parties can also woo Muslims or that it is pragmatic for them to try and co opt the LGBTQ movement as another eg. The lack of a binary is also relevant the other way round in that not every desire for greater commitment to ideological purity is coming at the complete expense of pragmatism or a failure to recognize necessary optics and tactical retreats. Certainly, if electoral victories come at the expense of ideological goals then the argument can be made that a battle has been won while a war is perhaps closer to being lost.

Point was not that they should not be at that conference in the US, it's what talking points they seem to be espousing which are problematic and not just in an Indian rw context. The gora rw for what it's worth cannot help us solve our domestic/ social problems other than indirectly ensuring that we do not face international pressure for some decisions that we choose to take but I'm not against any token engagement in that regard.

 

[ezsasa]

It goes back to their fundamentals and end goals and whether such alliances are detrimental to one or both. Just because for eg leftists side with Islamists doesn't mean that right wing parties can also woo Muslims or that it is pragmatic for them to try and co opt the LGBTQ movement as another eg. The lack of a binary is also relevant the other way round in that not every desire for greater commitment to ideological purity is coming at the complete expense of pragmatism or a failure to recognize necessary optics and tactical retreats. Certainly, if electoral victories come at the expense of ideological goals then the argument can be made that a battle has been won while a war is perhaps closer to being lost.

Point was not that they should not be at that conference in the US, it's what talking points they seem to be espousing which are problematic and not just in an Indian rw context. The gora rw for what it's worth cannot help us solve our domestic/ social problems other than indirectly ensuring that we do not face international pressure for some decisions that we choose to take but I'm not against any token engagement in that regard.

on the first part, as far as U.S politics go, their conservative agenda itself is in a flux. will have to wait and see where they will land, at RNC their speakers are openly talking about fishing into democratic pond.

on the second part. highly doubtful, intent was to invite gora rw to solve our internal problems. as far as problematic talking points go, public speakers refine their statements as they go along.

on a side note, could also be the case, the reason there are so many open ended questions is because these circumstances are unprecedented. as in, when was the last time, India was 5th largest economy and a third term successive non-left govt? never. this is unchartered territory. may be being 5th largest economy and third successive term of a non-left govt comes with a set of global expectations, which internal discourse is not tuned into.