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that would be true if this discussion was about ideologies in classical sense, at this point in time in the murican leftists are siding with islamists. and murican conservatives are trying to be more open to other races. as if, all sides are prioritising electoral victories (short-medium)over ideological purity(long term).

on the point of, whether their presence in that conference is a potential ideological compromise. i am saying this is a false binary. an outreach programme in U.S which has been in the works for years need not be a viewed as a potential compromise. it's just a platform for exchanging of ideas, atleast both sides will get to know their stated positions.

on the point of political parties/movements exist to achieve their supporters' goals, just like there are supporters here, there is a NRI support base there too. if they want build bridges in that country, and the political party is listening to that section of support base, perhaps it should not be viewed as a compromise.

lastly on the point of being disingenuous, it's an opinion on a opinion on a speech given in specific context. i suppose, these days i am extremely worried about the effect of online de-contextualisation is having on discourse.
It goes back to their fundamentals and end goals and whether such alliances are detrimental to one or both. Just because for eg leftists side with Islamists doesn't mean that right wing parties can also woo Muslims or that it is pragmatic for them to try and co opt the LGBTQ movement as another eg. The lack of a binary is also relevant the other way round in that not every desire for greater commitment to ideological purity is coming at the complete expense of pragmatism or a failure to recognize necessary optics and tactical retreats. Certainly, if electoral victories come at the expense of ideological goals then the argument can be made that a battle has been won while a war is perhaps closer to being lost.

Point was not that they should not be at that conference in the US, it's what talking points they seem to be espousing which are problematic and not just in an Indian rw context. The gora rw for what it's worth cannot help us solve our domestic/ social problems other than indirectly ensuring that we do not face international pressure for some decisions that we choose to take but I'm not against any token engagement in that regard.
 
It goes back to their fundamentals and end goals and whether such alliances are detrimental to one or both. Just because for eg leftists side with Islamists doesn't mean that right wing parties can also woo Muslims or that it is pragmatic for them to try and co opt the LGBTQ movement as another eg. The lack of a binary is also relevant the other way round in that not every desire for greater commitment to ideological purity is coming at the complete expense of pragmatism or a failure to recognize necessary optics and tactical retreats. Certainly, if electoral victories come at the expense of ideological goals then the argument can be made that a battle has been won while a war is perhaps closer to being lost.

Point was not that they should not be at that conference in the US, it's what talking points they seem to be espousing which are problematic and not just in an Indian rw context. The gora rw for what it's worth cannot help us solve our domestic/ social problems other than indirectly ensuring that we do not face international pressure for some decisions that we choose to take but I'm not against any token engagement in that regard.

on the first part, as far as U.S politics go, their conservative agenda itself is in a flux. will have to wait and see where they will land, at RNC their speakers are openly talking about fishing into democratic pond.

on the second part. highly doubtful, intent was to invite gora rw to solve our internal problems. as far as problematic talking points go, public speakers refine their statements as they go along.

on a side note, could also be the case, the reason there are so many open ended questions is because these circumstances are unprecedented. as in, when was the last time, India was 5th largest economy and a third term successive non-left govt? never. this is unchartered territory. may be being 5th largest economy and third successive term of a non-left govt comes with a set of global expectations, which internal discourse is not tuned into.
 
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on the first part, as far as U.S politics go, their conservative agenda itself is in a flux. will have to wait and see where they will land, at RNC their speakers are openly talking about fishing into democratic pond.

on the second part. highly doubtful, intent was to invite gora rw to solve our internal problems. as far as problematic talking points go, public speakers refine their statements as they go along.

on a side note, could also be the case, the reason there are so many open ended questions is because these circumstances are unprecedented. as in, when was the last time, India was 5th largest economy and a third term successive non-left govt? never. this is unchartered territory. may be being 5th largest economy and third successive term of a non-left govt comes with a set of global expectations, which internal discourse is not tuned into.
TBH even over there there are dissident voices that are not exactly fringe who have the sort of discussions we do too which is why the term RINO even came to be, it's not a monolith. Complaint from these commentators too is that neocons and mainstream ones tend to 'punch right' and not left when it suits them which is similar to what happened in the France elections too when you think about it.

These discussions are useful in so far as allowing RW movements - who cannot for obvious reasons be internationalist the way the left is - to come together and talk about how to deal with the globalist-Islamist nexus and to seek to create an environment with as few obstacles as possible for each other should they come to power. Beyond that there's not IMO all that much scope to collaborate on keeping in mind very divergent core values.
 
TBH even over there there are dissident voices that are not exactly fringe who have the sort of discussions we do too which is why the term RINO even came to be, it's not a monolith. Complaint from these commentators too is that neocons and mainstream ones tend to 'punch right' and not left when it suits them which is similar to what happened in the France elections too when you think about it. These discussions are useful in so far as allowing RW movements - who cannot for obvious reasons be internationalist the way the left is - to come together and talk about how to deal with the globalist-Islamist nexus and to seek to create an environment with as few obstacles as possible for each other should they come to power. Beyond that there's not IMO all that much scope to collaborate on keeping in mind very divergent core values.

i'll close our convo with this. on the outreach that is going on between Indian and western non-left, efforts are being made for some time to find issue based convergences. some one or the other from murican heritage foundation makes a regular appearance in India past few years.

this one is during this year's raisina dialogue .

EP-159 | China's Global Network Triggering Street Protests Across The World?​


View: https://youtu.be/3eQicPtJO14
 
On 'nameplates' on food shops on Kanwar route in Uttar Pradesh, BJP leader Mukhtar Abbas Naqvi says,
Confusion had erupted, on the basis of a limited administrative guideline. I am happy that the State Government has clarified all communal confusion. As far as devotion, respect and safety of Kanwar Yatra is concerned, nobody has any objection to it. Nobody should make any attempts to create communal confusion on matters like this. This is good neither for a country nor a religion or humankind...

On AIMIM chief Asaduddin Owaisi's take on the matter, he says,
A few people are habitual of indulging in 'communal notoriety' while donning 'secular sherwani'...I think this is in interest of neither the country nor in the interest of those for whom they are doing this...


View: https://x.com/ANI/status/1814178754920337819
 

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