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Hs might disapprove of the TMC but why would the Ms? WB INC leaders are on record admitting that total H-M polarization is the reason why they have lost their hold across North Bengal constituencies. Adhir even admitted that he did not know how to blunt the effects of H-M polarization and keep the INC alive in North Bengal because he had never witnessed such 'communal' brand of politics before (he lost to a nobody like Yusuf Pathan on his home turf).

Was H-M polarisation the reason the INC lost to the Marxists to begin with ? Since then the INC has been on a steady downward slope such that it retained pockets of support up until the last assembly & general elections. Now that's more or less gone.

Most pollsters have noted a familiar trend worldwide with voters which is nobody likes to back a losing candidate or side for obvious reasons except the most ideologically committed voter who in any case form a minority of the electorate .

Instead of Adhir wondering the reason he lost he should be wondering how he survived all this while when the party itself was falling all around him . You're seeing much the same with the Marxists today.
M votes used to get didvided among the TMC and the left up until 2016 (when the BJP wasn't anywhere to be found). Once the BJP guys became visible they shifted to the TMC because they were aware of the the stakes involved.
That's too be expected.
How are you so sure that internal sabotage or 'people not getting their share of the spoils' is the reason why the Ms are 'voting for the BJP' across these constituencies? Can you provide me some articles/surveys etc?

None whatsoever @articles / surveys etc but the entire scenario is counter intuitive which is the reason I argued the way I did. Logically what you say ought to follow but if that's not the case , in an employment deficit state like WB , how does the local economy survive or even thrive ?

It's thru state largesse or by parasiting the state thru mafia like ventures like the railway mafia , the construction mafia , coal mafia etc which are endemic all across states around the Indo Gangetic plains. You could add certain mafias exclusive only to WB in the mix like the cattle mafia etc.

What happens when one faction corners all the loot ? Logically the other faction hops over to the opposition but given the bloody politics prevalent in WB introduced courtesy the Marxists that's not an option or in any case not a viable option unless you don't value your head on your shoulders . What's the alternative then ? Subversion , internal sabotage etc.

These constituencies have exhibited this exact pattern in 2019 LS, in 2021 Assembly polls and in 2024 LS. I am pretty sure the results won't be any different in 2026 assembly either.

If you're referring to an outsized population of the peacefuls , the only way a party like the BJP scampers home as seen in similar scenarios across the North principally is a multi cornered contest where the H minority consolidates behind the BJP & the M majority votes gets divided between the various parties putting up M candidates .

Do we see that as a factor in these constituencies you've named ?
And these are some of the most communally charged constituencies of the state we are talking about.





Ms voting for the BJPwallahs to show their 'disapproval' of the TMC gormint is equivalent to the BJP gaining M votes in coastal Karmataka - neither makes sense.

How do you explain Ghani Khan Choudhary's continued survival in Malda then when the Marxists were sweeping everything around him if the Ms there were only in a slight majority as compared to the Hs ? All such contests should've been won by ABA with wafer thin margins . Was that the case ?

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Gormint surveys are not sacrosanct. MoSPI and NSO are criminally underfunded and many of the surveys are conducted with outdated samples and faulty methodologies.
I never claimed they were & if we're going to see the more of the same this census would go down the same way as the previous ones. However when you suggest that constituencies bordering BD which given the porous borders there , if not now then historically , with known & documented distortions in their populations towards Ms is no longer the case now , I find that hard to accept.
 
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Was H-M polarisation the reason the INC lost to the Marxists to begin with ? Since then the INC has been on a steady downward slope such that it retained pockets of support up until the last assembly & general elections. Now that's more or less gone.

INCwallahs lost to the Marxists because they stopped producing charismatic mass leaders. WB elections are, almost entirely, leader-centric.

Most pollsters have noted a familiar trend worldwide with voters which is nobody likes to back a losing candidate or side for obvious reasons except the most ideologically committed voter who in any case form a minority of the electorate .

Instead of Adhir wondering the reason he lost he should be wondering how he survived all this while when the party itself was falling all around him . You're seeing much the same with the Marxists today.

Adhir survived because the Ms were voting stretegically. They voted for his party across the INC strongholds and backed the Queen elsewhere - all to stop the BJP. But now, with a grand total of zero MLAs and an uninspiring central leadership, that too is gone. Ms have stopped giving a fuck about them altogether.

That's too be expected.


None whatsoever @articles / surveys etc but the entire scenario is counter intuitive which is the reason I argued the way I did. Logically what you say ought to follow but if that's not the case , in an employment deficit state like WB , how does the local economy survive or even thrive ?

It's thru state largesse or by parasiting the state thru mafia like ventures like the railway mafia , the construction mafia , coal mafia etc which are endemic all across states around the Indo Gangetic plains. You could add certain mafias exclusive only to WB in the mix like the cattle mafia etc.

What happens when one faction corners all the loot ? Logically the other faction hops over to the opposition but given the bloody politics prevalent in WB introduced courtesy the Marxists that's not an option or in any case not a viable option unless you don't value your head on your shoulders . What's the alternative then ? Subversion , internal sabotage etc.

I am not denying that. It is just the way the political economy works in WB and factionalism is rampant. But M votes getting divided across constituencies that are witnessing communal riots almost on an weekly basis (trust me, outsiders have no idea how communally polarized these regions are - even the mainstream Bangla newspapers shy away from reporting these riots because the Queen maintains a tight grip over their reporting) makes little sense. Heck, I would even say that these riots were the reason the INC lost its hold over the north Bengal Ms. Adhir and the other leaders were moderates and tried playing both sides - unlike the Queen who provided steadfast backing to the Ms.

If you're referring to an outsized population of the peacefuls , the only way a party like the BJP scampers home as seen in similar scenarios across the North principally is a multi cornered contest where the H minority consolidates behind the BJP & the M majority votes gets divided between the various parties putting up M candidates .

Do we see that as a factor in these constituencies you've named ?

That is how a lot of pollsters explain these trends but I find it hard to believe. There are three cornered contests across a number of M dominated south Bengal assembly constituencies too. We do not see M votes getting divided there. And it is not a one off thing either. We have witnessed this exact trend in 2019, 2021 and 2024. Ms are known for voting strategically elsewhere - why then are they the outliers when it comes to these constituencies of WB?

I left Xitter long back else would have linked Tweets of local INC workers here (who are all very clear that Ms have deserted them altogether and that the party is scraping by gathering a % of H votes and some long time silent supporters). I am trying to source similar stuff from local Bangla media - will update/reply to this post once I find it.

How do you explain Ghani Khan Choudhary's continued survival in Malda then when the Marxists were sweeping everything around him if the Ms there were only in a slight majority as compared to the Hs ? All such contests should've been won by ABA with wafer thin margins . Was that the case ?

The political realities have changed since then. The Chaudharies did not have to deal with BJP's electoral juggernaut.
 
INCwallahs lost to the Marxists because they stopped producing charismatic mass leaders. WB elections are, almost entirely, leader-centric.



Adhir survived because the Ms were voting stretegically. They voted for his party across the INC strongholds and backed the Queen elsewhere - all to stop the BJP. But now, with a grand total of zero MLAs and an uninspiring central leadership, that too is gone. Ms have stopped giving a fuck about them altogether.



I am not denying that. It is just the way the political economy works in WB and factionalism is rampant. But M votes getting divided across constituencies that are witnessing communal riots almost on an weekly basis (trust me, outsiders have no idea how communally polarized these regions are - even the mainstream Bangla newspapers shy away from reporting these riots because the Queen maintains a tight grip over their reporting) makes little sense. Heck, I would even say that these riots were the reason the INC lost its hold over the north Bengal Ms. Adhir and the other leaders were moderates and tried playing both sides - unlike the Queen who provided steadfast backing to the Ms.



That is how a lot of pollsters explain these trends but I find it hard to believe. There are three cornered contests across a number of M dominated south Bengal assembly constituencies too. We do not see M votes getting divided there. And it is not a one off thing either. We have witnessed this exact trend in 2019, 2021 and 2024. Ms are known for voting strategically elsewhere - why then are they the outliers when it comes to these constituencies of WB?

I left Xitter long back else would have linked Tweets of local INC workers here (who are all very clear that Ms have deserted them altogether and that the party is scraping by gathering a % of H votes and some long time silent supporters). I am trying to source similar stuff from local Bangla media - will update/reply to this post once I find it.



The political realities have changed since then. The Chaudharies did not have to deal with BJP's electoral juggernaut.
Good data points but far from conclusive . For eg I find it hard to believe in this day & age that there's practically daily communal violence in North Bengal .

After all we had extensive coverage in the MSM & SM of the post poll violence following the last assembly elections in spite of Begum & her goons trying their level best to prevent news spreading outside . How come they're successful now when they weren't so earlier ? After all the recent rape case in a medical college in Kolkata saw her xhitting bricks.

Moreover , if we go by what you're saying about these incidents being true & if Begum is actually supporting the peacefuls why is it so ? Quite obviously their population has gone beyond the tipping point which essentially negates your entire stance & which makes her behave the way she does.

In the absence of any further data which points one way or another I don't think one can conclusively prove anything out here .
 
Seriously SuSu replying to INC :unsure:

Is history going to repeat itself?


View: https://twitter.com/Swamy39/status/1886584139991912675




him and his daughter are known snakes.
Why he hasn't been booted out of the party is a mystery

As for random rankings, it's by this site, not by Forbes -> https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries
Forbes only has an article on it.

Apparently this "US News" whole job is to make country, state etc rankings.
 
him and his daughter are known snakes.
Why he hasn't been booted out of the party is a mystery

As for random rankings, it's by this site, not by Forbes -> https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries
Forbes only has an article on it.

Apparently this "US News" whole job is to make country, state etc rankings.
INC Kerala SM handles are probably run by teenagers. You can see similar comebacks from Indian plebittors on left leaning subs.
 
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Good data points but far from conclusive . For eg I find it hard to believe in this day & age that there's practically daily communal violence in North Bengal .

There are riots in South Bengal too. WB is possibly the most riot prone state right now - with a large no of riots going unreported to the NCRB.

Forgive me for linking this commie trash here but these are the only guys who even dares to talk on these issues (use an ad/paywall blocker - do not give these ccp chamchas ad revenue);



After all we had extensive coverage in the MSM & SM of the post poll violence following the last assembly elections in spite of Begum & her goons trying their level best to prevent news spreading outside . How come they're successful now when they weren't so earlier ? After all the recent rape case in a medical college in Kolkata saw her xhitting bricks.

We are not talking about Gujarat 2002 type riots here. These incidents are (mostly) hyperlocal. The Kolkata Police even sent Nupur Sharma (then a BJP spokesperson) a notice because she questioned the silence of Bangla media over Dhulagarh riots.

All these riots played a crucial role in the rise of the BJP in the state.
Moreover , if we go by what you're saying about these incidents being true & if Begum is actually supporting the peacefuls why is it so ? Quite obviously their population has gone beyond the tipping point which essentially negates your entire stance & which makes her behave the way she does.

If the Queen does not provide backing to these rioters someone else will. And her party already faces tough competition from a local party called ISF at some south Bengal constituencies (the party is led by some big name Peerzada who used to be a TMC lapdog but has had public fallouts since). She witnessed the downfall of the left and the INC (leftwallahs were hopeless ideologues and wanted to continue their secular brand of politics while the INC had leaders like Adhir who were moderates and did not quite fit in the changed political scenario of the state) and won't repeat the same mistakes. With her grip on H votes loosening, it is necessary for her to cling on to the Ms (who have a tendency of voting as a bloc).

In the absence of any further data which points one way or another I don't think one can conclusively prove anything out here .

Agreed. This is a theory only. Someday in the future I will talk about the Assam constituencies too.
 
INCwallahs lost to the Marxists because they stopped producing charismatic mass leaders. WB elections are, almost entirely, leader-centric.



Adhir survived because the Ms were voting stretegically. They voted for his party across the INC strongholds and backed the Queen elsewhere - all to stop the BJP. But now, with a grand total of zero MLAs and an uninspiring central leadership, that too is gone. Ms have stopped giving a fuck about them altogether.



I am not denying that. It is just the way the political economy works in WB and factionalism is rampant. But M votes getting divided across constituencies that are witnessing communal riots almost on an weekly basis (trust me, outsiders have no idea how communally polarized these regions are - even the mainstream Bangla newspapers shy away from reporting these riots because the Queen maintains a tight grip over their reporting) makes little sense. Heck, I would even say that these riots were the reason the INC lost its hold over the north Bengal Ms. Adhir and the other leaders were moderates and tried playing both sides - unlike the Queen who provided steadfast backing to the Ms.



That is how a lot of pollsters explain these trends but I find it hard to believe. There are three cornered contests across a number of M dominated south Bengal assembly constituencies too. We do not see M votes getting divided there. And it is not a one off thing either. We have witnessed this exact trend in 2019, 2021 and 2024. Ms are known for voting strategically elsewhere - why then are they the outliers when it comes to these constituencies of WB?

I left Xitter long back else would have linked Tweets of local INC workers here (who are all very clear that Ms have deserted them altogether and that the party is scraping by gathering a % of H votes and some long time silent supporters). I am trying to source similar stuff from local Bangla media - will update/reply to this post once I find it.



The political realities have changed since then. The Chaudharies did not have to deal with BJP's electoral juggernaut.

There are riots in South Bengal too. WB is possibly the most riot prone state right now - with a large no of riots going unreported to the NCRB.

Forgive me for linking this commie trash here but these are the only guys who even dares to talk on these issues (use an ad/paywall blocker - do not give these ccp chamchas ad revenue);





We are not talking about Gujarat 2002 type riots here. These incidents are (mostly) hyperlocal. The Kolkata Police even sent Nupur Sharma (then a BJP spokesperson) a notice because she questioned the silence of Bangla media over Dhulagarh riots.

All these riots played a crucial role in the rise of the BJP in the state.


If the Queen does not provide backing to these rioters someone else will. And her party already faces tough competition from a local party called ISF at some south Bengal constituencies (the party is led by some big name Peerzada who used to be a TMC lapdog but has had public fallouts since). She witnessed the downfall of the left and the INC (leftwallahs were hopeless ideologues and wanted to continue their secular brand of politics while the INC had leaders like Adhir who were moderates and did not quite fit in the changed political scenario of the state) and won't repeat the same mistakes. With her grip on H votes loosening, it is necessary for her to cling on to the Ms (who have a tendency of voting as a bloc).



Agreed. This is a theory only. Someday in the future I will talk about the Assam constituencies too.

Thanks for your insight on small scale riots in Bongol and it's effect on Bhajipao's fortunes

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Do you think this is enough to dislodge TMC electorally in the 2026 election?
As per you Congress is extinct there and CPI is an endangered species.

Could greens turn against Mamta if she is seen to not be giving #PhoolSapport to them and split votes between TMC, ISF, CPI?
 

This is the state of the national capital & if you're to read the BJP's reaction you'd actually think the BJP is in the opposition both in the state & the center.
 

This is part of the campaign baramati che wakde tond kaka has been trying to unleash which found mention in that article . @crazywithmath

The issue here is if the voting went beyond the stipulated time why didn't the other parties object to it then & there . Besides why did their polling agents sign on to the ECI reports after closure of polls & if they signed under protest where are their dissenting notes or even public statements immediately after the election?

Why're these issues cropping up now?
 
Thanks for your insight on small scale riots in Bongol and it's effect on Bhajipao's fortunes

Apart from riots, the anti H violence in kangluland would help them increase their VS.

Do you think this is enough to dislodge TMC electorally in the 2026 election?

No. WB BJP does not have a leader who can take the Queen head on. The only guy who could have done that (Dilip Ghosh) got sidelined post their 2019 LS success for reasons unknown to us all.

WB elections are, almost entirely, leader centric.

As per you Congress is extinct there and CPI is an endangered species.

Left might not be electorally very relevant these days but they poll enough across the Kolkata/24 Parganas constituencies to ensure smooth TMC victories (happened in 2024 too). For the BJP to win an election they will have to either eat into that VS or snatch votes from the TMC. I do not see either happening.

If they can bag 120 seats that would be a phenomenal performance in itself. A victory would be asking a bit too much. The BJPwallahs have not yet built up the kind of organization they boast of in Maha, Gujarat or Hindi heartland states.

Could greens turn against Mamta if she is seen to not be giving #PhoolSapport to them and split votes between TMC, ISF, CPI?

Queen is on record calling BJP a party of the kuffr. Not even the ISF has such hardline stances. Ms are not deserting her party anytime soon.
 

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