Indian Railways

SKC said:
Those are remote locations where it can take long time to reach and see if anything goes wrong. Ofcourse you need to cover these tracks remotely via cameras.

We are not exactly loaded with absolute money to fund and maintain over 140K KM of track length with Camera placed every 200 mtr!​
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I am not good at writing ,let me try.

I agree with you it being costly affair.

Indian railways is British era antique org. (Not literally) it’s service rules, maintenance methodology etc all from British times and have not co-opted or paced with modern innovation and technology.
they have only made problem bed rather improving it. There exist debroy committe recommmedation but no one can dare to implement them in democracy, I guess.

1) in above post where I mentioned camera being installed at every 3rd OHE, it wasn’t asked by railway. It was simply done becoz consultants ,designers etc are all from western or SK hence such modernity in USBRL projects etc and there was no dearth for FUNDING since it was coming from PMO.

Still providing all those camera there will be all those lineman,key mate ,gang man etc will be doing petrolling on foot the whole track in day and night. All will be sarkari naukers.
As if that wasn’t enough there will be10-12 security personals from GRP at every entry and exist of bridge and tunnels, here I am not mentioning CRPF at stations and important bridges.

2) now considering the salary of all those sarkari naukers in lifetime of its running and having cameras and good methodology I think both will not be that far off.not mention we can super charge our camera and surveillance industry &methodolgy.
 
Blade you got the answer in video itself. The day cameras manufacturing takes root in India and its supply chain is established - you shall seem them being used in big and effective way. Right now everything is imported. Cheper option is only China and their Hikvison cameras. India started going big with them including in defence sectors only to realise as with most Chinese things - they were compromised. Solar Imdustries had even secured leak incident some time back due to using cameras in restricted zone for security.
 
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Anants said:
Blade you got the answer in video itself. The day cameras manufacturing takes root in India and its supply chain is established - you shall seem them being used in big and effective way. Right now everything is imported. Cheper option is only China and their Hikvison cameras. India started going big with them including in defence sectors only to realise as with most Chinese things - they were compromised. Solar Imdustries had even secured leak incident some time back due to using cameras in restricted zone for security.
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Then let’s encourage an home grown option. And we can use the IR to jump start a new industry.
 
Anants said:
And govt PLI in electronis is exactly for that. By the way AI cameras shall be installed inside trains.
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And we can boost the homemade cameras by using IR as the first big customer and order large orders from several vendors with the criteria that all parts must be Indian made and data collection localized. This will lead to other govt agencies and Indian municipalities making similar orders.
 
SKC said:
Those are remote locations where it can take long time to reach and see if anything goes wrong. Ofcourse you need to cover these tracks remotely via cameras.

We are not exactly loaded with absolute money to fund and maintain over 140K KM of track length with Camera placed every 200 mtr!​
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Installing proper fencing will eliminate 95% of these track sabotage and stone pelting cases. For the remaining 5%, IR can easily resolve them on a case-by-case basis.

Blademaster said:
And certain people think that installing security cameras is too much work and expensive! Those noise concrete barriers cost way more than the cameras themselves and they pretty much run the entire length of the track!
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Do you know on which line these barriers are being installed? It's for MAHSR, not a random IR line.
 
Physx32 said:
Installing proper fencing will eliminate 95% of these track sabotage and stone pelting cases. For the remaining 5%, IR can easily resolve them on a case-by-case basis.


Do you know on which line these barriers are being installed? It's for MAHSR, not a random IR line.
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And you are missing the point I’m making. Installed the entire length of the high speed rail track over 550 km long on both sides and cost way more than security cameras. Yet security cameras are too expensive and not necessary according to a certain poster.
 
Blademaster said:
And you are missing the point I’m making. Installed the entire length of the high speed rail track over 550 km long on both sides and cost way more than security cameras. Yet security cameras are too expensive and not necessary according to a certain poster.
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What I meant to say is that we shouldn't compare MAHSR to IR lines. MAHSR is being built to a completely different standard and mainly funded by JICA loan.

As for CCTV, they're now planning to install cameras (with AI based face detection) in trains and stations first. After that, they'll think about tracks.

www.indiatvnews.com

Good news for train passengers: Indian Railways to install 75 lakh AI-powered CCTV cameras in trains

Ashwini Vaishnav said the Indian Railways will install around 75 lakh AI-powered CCTV cameras in trains. Apart from the coach, cameras will also be installed in the locomotive engine to alert the loco pilot.
www.indiatvnews.com www.indiatvnews.com
 
Noticed a few things in Chinese rail blogs.
They install acess controlled gates in the smallest of stations.
Place two guards at the extreme end of both stations to prevent entry from tracks.

I think this will decrease some 20% of the crowd.
 
Suryavanshi said:
Noticed a few things in Chinese rail blogs.
They install acess controlled gates in the smallest of stations.
Place two guards at the extreme end of both stations to prevent entry from tracks.

I think this will decrease some 20% of the crowd.
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You're also not allowed to enter platforms at will. Need to scan your ticket to enter (this is true throughout Europe and Japan also). Also, at arrival platform if you keep wandering for minutes, security will kick you out.

They have good methods to control crowds at platforms.
 
Physx32 said:
You're also not allowed to enter platforms at will. Need to scan your ticket to enter (this is true throughout Europe and Japan also). Also, at arrival platform if you keep wandering for minutes, security will kick you out.

They have good methods to control crowds at platforms.
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Then how do you allow food vendors and hawkers? It would be a good idea because you can do some screening out although it can. Mean that station keepers can become corrupted and demand bribes for entry and right to sell food or goods at train stations.
 
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