Indian Special Forces

[abingdonboy]

I want to ask you one question..

Lets say we remove Para SF from PSO..Which other unit or regiment should take this role then?

PBGs are a different airborne unit all together.

Infantry doesnt have the aptitude..You know how my fathers bodyguard was picked..it was usually the tallest and fittest soldier..nothing else.

Now we cannot even do away from this system of PSO as you know in wars Lt Gen are a big target and are assets for any Army.

So who do you suggest should be picked?

As I say again and again- India needs more specialists and not more generalists

PSO is a largely police function, let MPs carve out a specialist unit for this role. Ample decent trainers for this in India between SPG, NSG and CAPFs

I doubt Paras doing this job even get that much training in it- can they do defensive/offensive driving? It seems 90% of their brief is just to look swag


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[KumaoniReborn]

Thatswhat i was saying.

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And whose fault is this ?

Golf club generals have been insulated from any critique for too long, all the ‘rang de basanti’ angst against netas is well earned but that’s a pretty narrow problem (mostly on the capital side) but tactics, ORBAT, employment etc are all in the hands of big brain wannabe English aristocrats in uniform

Saying this is down to the govt picking generals is nonsense- at most the govt has a say in service chief selection but even then not so much as previous appointments skipping seniority causing uproar have shown. Only really in CDS does the GoI get a say. The service HQs are otherwise staffed and policed internally

I’ve seen geniuses saying Paras deserve the PSO role for generals so their officers get a ‘cushy’ Delhi posting every now and then

Rotten apples smell eventually

It’s not all down but it’s a huge problem. You keep blaming one branch of the problem when there are three in reality.

 

[KumaoniReborn]

As I say again and again- India needs more specialists and not more generalists

PSO is a largely police function, let MPs carve out a specialist unit for this role. Ample decent trainers for this in India between SPG, NSG and CAPFs

I doubt Paras doing this job even get that much training in it- can they do defensive/offensive driving? It seems 90% of their brief is just to look swag


View: https://youtu.be/onoUo8eA88M

Absolutely disgraceful that Paras are being used for general security now.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

As I say again and again- India needs more specialists and not more generalists

PSO is a largely police function, let MPs carve out a specialist unit for this role. Ample decent trainers for this in India between SPG, NSG and CAPFs

I doubt Paras doing this job even get that much training in it- can they do defensive/offensive driving? It seems 90% of their brief is just to look swag


View: https://youtu.be/onoUo8eA88M

I dont think Para does any driving courses not even 10 does that ..would be happy to proved wrong.

NSG does that.

 

[abingdonboy]

Absolutely disgraceful that Paras are being used for general security now.

Not even just COAS anymore but 2 star generals in peace time now

 

[KumaoniReborn]

My mind is just too fucked right now processing how things move in the army like 6/7 years back when I started following this SF stuff and learnt how easily the Meghdoot force came to life (relative to today) similarly 10's raising and 1's conversion + how quickly 9 came so close to become some SPG like force and also the new SF HQ and regiment which were later reversed . . .

Today it just seems impossible to change anything at any level
Fuck this shit

Because back then the army genrails were actually serious about who ran them. In 1965 war (when Meghdoot force was made), Major Gen Nirajan Prasad was sacked in one day for a failed operation in the BRB canal.

In july Indian forces killed 3 militants and lost 14 soldiers. Who was sacked for this failure? No one.

 

[KumaoniReborn]

Not even just COAS anymore but 2 star generals in peace time now

And then they wonder why Para gets hit hard in an operation. Peacetime tenures should have paras training to do cross LoC operations (i know strategic operations are too much to ask for in 2024).

 

[abingdonboy]

I dont think Para does any driving courses not even 10 does that ..would be happy to proved wrong.

NSG does that.

Doubt it too- guys are given an ear piece on day one and told you are PSOs now is my best guess

It’s all fun and games until they have to actually take on a dynamic threat one day. Even if you’re a super slick combatant close protection in an urban setting is a very niche job and every top such unit in the world is made up of law enforcement and not military guys in this role

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

Doubt it too- guys are given an ear piece on day one and told you are PSOs now is my best guess

It’s all fun and games until they have to actually take on a dynamic threat one day. Even if you’re a super slick combatant close protection in an urban setting is a very niche job and every top such unit in the world is made up of law enforcement and not military guys in this role

Latin countries have better trained people than us in this.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

View: https://x.com/jaywankhadejrw/status/1870078026618458240?s=46

 

[KumaoniReborn]

View: https://x.com/jaywankhadejrw/status/1870078026618458240?s=46

Pathetic. Revamp indian infantry entirely.

 

[Knight 07]

I want to ask you one question..

Lets say we remove Para SF from PSO..Which other unit or regiment should take this role then?

PBGs are a different airborne unit all together.

Infantry doesnt have the aptitude..You know how my fathers bodyguard was picked..it was usually the tallest and fittest soldier..nothing else.

Now we cannot even do away from this system of PSO as you know in wars Lt Gen are a big target and are assets for any Army.

So who do you suggest should be picked?

Ideally,The Military Police should've its own squad of elite bodyguards ,trained and equipped for such duties .But as far as our MPs are concerned,they are practically traffic wardens ( According to a Retd Col friend of mine ) .Unlike the rest of Developed world .Indian Army's Military Police don't even have any capacity or training to conduct In house Criminal Investigation,Any serious criminal cases is handed over to Local Police / CID/ CBI ..
They only deal with open and shut cases like Suicide .
Can't say about Air Force or Navy Police

 

[GhatiyaOperator]

Ideally,The Military Police should've its own squad of elite bodyguards ,trained and equipped for such duties .But as far as our MPs are concerned,they are practically traffic wardens ( According to a Retd Col friend of mine ) .Unlike the rest of Developed worlds .Indian Army's Military Police don't even have any capacity or training to conduct even In house Criminal Investigation,Any serious criminal cases is handed over to Local Police / CID/ CBI ..
They only deal with open and shut cases like Suicide .
Can't say about Air Force or Navy Police

The most that I heard of them is when some of their troops buy a maroon beret on purpose (really close to their red ones) and flex that

 

[hkdas]

View: https://x.com/FrontalForce/status/1870044821521641743?t=8Q4otK1BBLlNCysjgt-DBA&s=19

 

[GhatiyaOperator]

View: https://x.com/FrontalForce/status/1870044821521641743?t=8Q4otK1BBLlNCysjgt-DBA&s=19

I humbly request Eastern Command to send the SF units under them on a covert op to this gentleman and take these christmas gifts

 

[hkdas]

I want to ask you one question..

Lets say we remove Para SF from PSO..Which other unit or regiment should take this role then?

PBGs are a different airborne unit all together.

Infantry doesnt have the aptitude..You know how my fathers bodyguard was picked..it was usually the tallest and fittest soldier..nothing else.

Now we cannot even do away from this system of PSO as you know in wars Lt Gen are a big target and are assets for any Army.

So who do you suggest should be picked?

Just create a SPG like unit within army,
Why waste para SF. !?

 

[Blademaster]

U can use whatever vocabulary u want
Entire squad was wiped out except officer if I recollect rightly

And what kind of complex is this "how can para sf be killed by pakis"
There is no such thing as superiority in military everyone is vulnerable and have their own shortfalls

False. You are painting a picture that did not happen. The terrorists set off a bomb that killed 2 people and injured others. 3 died later at the hospital sustaining injuries. The terrorists fled. They did not hold territory at the end of the day. IA came and secured the spot. There were at least a reinforced platoon/company strength which means at least around 100 men. That is not wiping out an entire team.

Get your facts straight. You have been warned.

 

[Blademaster]

Pinned down/wipe out/team lost etc mean the same and it has happened 3 times in last 6 years.

Obviously,it could be said in a better way.

No it does not. I checked the articles and it says nothing like that. Jal Jaganath and Abingdonboy have been warned for spreading such falsehood.

 

[Blademaster]

These aren’t huge damages?

Militants attack Indian army base in Kashmir 'killing 17' - BBC News

Heavily-armed militants attack an army base in Indian-administered Kashmir, killing at least 17 soldiers in an attack officials appear to be blaming on Pakistan.

www.bbc.com

Five Dead in Rebel Attack on Indian Army Base in Kashmir

Suspected rebels attacked an army camp in Indian-administered Kashmir killing three soldiers before being shot dead themselves, police said.

thedefensepost.com

Recalling the Pulwama terrorist attack: what happened on Feb 14, 2019?

Five years ago, a Jaish-e-Muhammad terrorist rammed an explosives-laden car into a convoy of the CRPF. The incident led to a surgical strike in Pakistan by the Indian Air Force. Here's what happened.

indianexpress.com

Death Toll From Attack on Indian Air Force Base Rises

The attack on the Pathankot air force base, which started before dawn Saturday, left seven Indian troops and four gunmen dead.

www.nbcnews.com

In a serious country these would all be scandals of the highest order


Let’s just ignore the fact that this is decades into this conflict and they are still exploiting the most basic of SOP breaches

Ahh that’s right, not a wipeout just a few more guys in boxes? Cause one guy had a heartbeat at the end of it it’s all good and another job well done.


What was Kandi? EDI? Kupwara? These are just off the top of my head. I can’t think of another ‘SF’ in the last 50 years that has seen such a high % of their insertions obliterated as Indian ‘SF’

If you really want to open this can of worms- the K/D ratio is always so abysmal when Indian units are involved. A handful of goat herders are able to evade and hit at will- 26/11, Pathankot, PAFF etc etc and then we are forced on these sites to sit around and defend them, to argue the minutia of why it was actually a tactical victory despite all the losses and time taken. Special forces are meant to be just that- superior in training, tactics, equipment and why? So they can disproportionately inflict harm on the enemy. A 1:1 kill ratio (at best) is not something to be proud of

Oh but these are all reactionary ops you’ll say, everyone else is hitting the enemy in their beds. Is this really an excuse? SF throwing themselves at every CASO and QRF mission going just further highlights my point that India has no SOFs because it has no strategic employment mindset.

Those attacks occurred against regular IA forces and some of the attacks involved IEDs. You made it sound that the SF teams were wiped out during gunfights, not IED attacks or attacks on regular IA forces or security forces. That's a huge difference. Your post painted a highly misleading mischaracterization of the casualties that Indian SF sustained.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

No it does not. I checked the articles and it says nothing like that. Jal Jaganath and Abingdonboy have been warned for spreading such falsehood.

Bcoz those articles are edited by a educated person who uses the best language.

Op Randori Behak had how many survivors of that team?

Kandi op had how many survivors from that squad?

You are right in one thing that pinned down doesnt mean wipe out…infact it even means

to stop someone from escaping by surrounding and shooting at them if they try to escape:

pin someone down

1. to stop someone from escaping by surrounding and shooting at them if they…

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