Indian Special Forces

[Airborne22]

Let’s say something went wrong during surgical strikes. Pak intel knew they were raiding and a group of 50-100 pak ssg and militants lay an ambush of 9 para, what happens then? Would 9 Para fight till the end or do they have the Comm abilities to call in an airstrike like wetsern sofs would do and get proper extraction?

God we are so behind in not just equipment but literally everything

They won't call in an airstrike/artillery support that's for sure. Do they have that capability in terms of comm. And training - yes. By rule the commander (at corps or div level) will send in a heliborne extraction team... I'm not sure if they will but by rule they should and we have special troops and pilots for that purpose too.

 

[125mm_Smoothbore]

Let’s say something went wrong during surgical strikes. Pak intel knew they were raiding and a group of 50-100 pak ssg and militants lay an ambush of 9 para, what happens then? Would 9 Para fight till the end or do they have the Comm abilities to call in an airstrike like wetsern sofs would do and get proper extraction?

God we are so behind in not just equipment but literally everything

the first option i guess calling airstrike is too much things to clear than some bodies (sadly)
our leadership havent had a spine in years i guess its indra gandhi whou had been the leader which at least took decisions (good or bad is debatable)

 

[Noob]

Human Rights Violations don't matter when you are the all powerful.

"Screechhhh Bald Eagle Noises"

 

[jaijaganath]

What is Indian satellite capabilities like? I remember a huge portion of Gulf War and 2003 victories against Iraq were credited due to Satelite Imagery which allowed for not only airstrikes to vaporize whole iraqi divisions but for SFs to do SADO ops on artillery batteries and wipe out entire Artillery units. Does india have such capabilities?

I remember the core reason Operation Riddle turned into a disaster in Sept 6-10th 1965 was because IA was clueless of Pakistans 1st armored division in Kasur, as a result the indian thrust to Kasur was completely stopped. Satellite imagery would have given india oin point precision on Paki armored divisions and have allowed for the IAF to wipe them out.

Kargil could've been prevented if we had good surveillance using satellite
So post Kargil we literally quantum leaped in terms of satellite surveillance and intelligence
That's why I say Kargil type situation is impossible coz of constant satellite surveillance
Infact it was infact a suggestion from kwc

 

[jaijaganath]

Man i have to say after reading about US SOF operations I am a bit humbled. They are in a league of their own.

They have dedicated comms and consistent contact with the airforce so when something goes wrong, to avoid life of operators, they can call in airstrikes or reinforcements. Not to mention they have far superior intel capabilities via satellites and infiltration capabilities. They operate completely differently as to Para SF which sitll operates in an infantry manner. How is the combined arms warfare skills of the indian military? Let’s say para is deployed in Syria one day and they get ambushed, can para call in airstrikes to get extracted or will they be expected to thug it out?

Meanwhile our men still operate in a cold war manner. Smh!

Comon after so many years kumaoni accepting airstrikes as part of sof missions
Comming to dedicated comms and contact with AF we don't establish that for every mission but we do have capability
If situation arrives that they need air support and prior informed then we can perform it
We do have bulky in-hand laser designator for pin point air strikes

 

[Unknowncommando]

 

[jaijaganath]

One question- Could proper Satcom and satellite intel have prevented the disaster in Jaffna University of 10 Para?

But we didn't have such satellite intel capabilities I mean tech and even we didn't have LV for such such satellites

 

[lexCommando]

They won't call in an airstrike/artillery support that's for sure. Do they have that capability in terms of comm. And training - yes. By rule the commander (at corps or div level) will send in a heliborne extraction team... I'm not sure if they will but by rule they should and we have special troops and pilots for that purpose too.

We don't even have any special operations supporting aviation regiment/squadron like 160th SOAR (USSOCOM), No. 7 squadron RAF and 658 squadron AAC (UKSF), 171 SOAS (SOCOMD), 427 SOAS (CANSOFCOM), 4e RHFS (French COS), Helicopter Wing 64 (KSK). Do we?

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

We don't even have any special operations supporting aviation regiment/squadron like 160th SOAR (USSOCOM), No. 7 squadron RAF and 658 squadron AAC (UKSF), 171 SOAS (SOCOMD), 427 SOAS (CANSOFCOM), 4e RHFS (French COS), Helicopter Wing 64 (KSK). Do we?

Yes we do with c130.

 

[lexCommando]

Yes we do with c130.

I don't think we have the capability for operations involving landing strips and c130s in hostile territory. I was asking for heliborne operation units who are always ready in support of SF (insertion or extraction).. usually they should have gunships too but vishwaguru syndrome saar

 

[Airborne22]

We don't even have any special operations supporting aviation regiment/squadron like 160th SOAR (USSOCOM), No. 7 squadron RAF and 658 squadron AAC (UKSF), 171 SOAS (SOCOMD), 427 SOAS (CANSOFCOM), 4e RHFS (French COS), Helicopter Wing 64 (KSK). Do we?

We have, No.7 vieled vipers c130 for special operations, some heptr units from army avn and airforce for fire support and SOF transportation. SOF transport isn't limited to sitting in the aircraft, it incl. STIE, G-PADS, CFF capability too

 

[Airborne22]

I don't think we have the capability for operations involving landing strips and c130s in hostile territory. I was asking for heliborne operation units who are always ready in support of SF (insertion or extraction).. usually they should have gunships too but vishwaguru syndrome saar

we have this too bas use nhi hota bas kahin as of late

 

[KumaoniReborn]

Comon after so many years kumaoni accepting airstrikes as part of sof missions
Comming to dedicated comms and contact with AF we don't establish that for every mission but we do have capability
If situation arrives that they need air support and prior informed then we can perform it
We do have bulky in-hand laser designator for pin point air strikes

Aistrikes, CAWs, comms, these are the basis and bread and butter of every SOF. If india wants to be a global power, it will have to up everywhere. We need better SATCOM intel. In Gulf War USAF vaporized entire Iraqi divisions with their SATCOM. We need that advantage.

 

[KumaoniReborn]

the first option i guess calling airstrike is too much things to clear than some bodies (sadly)
our leadership havent had a spine in years i guess its indra gandhi whou had been the leader which at least took decisions (good or bad is debatable)

Indira is the only one which used an airstrike against an insurgency and vaporized thousands of Mizos. This insurgency was as violent and proxy warred as J and K. Pak posts were sheltering Mixo leaders directly.

And now 56” has the audacity to condemn a decision like that.

 

[KumaoniReborn]

Kargil could've been prevented if we had good surveillance using satellite
So post Kargil we literally quantum leaped in terms of satellite surveillance and intelligence
That's why I say Kargil type situation is impossible coz of constant satellite surveillance
Infact it was infact a suggestion from kwc

Yeah. Satcom is so important. SAS was given intel and able to go behinf enemy lines due to US satcom. Same with the current urkaine war. UK SOF is able to launch drone strikes due to SATCOM.

Man what are we doing? We are in big trouble if we don’t fix shit up. Why aren’t we using SATCOM intel in J and K?

 

[KumaoniReborn]

But we didn't have such satellite intel capabilities I mean tech and even we didn't have LV for such such satellites

I feel like SATCOM intel could have definitely turned lanka in our favor.

 

[jaijaganath]

Yeah. Satcom is so important. SAS was given intel and able to go behinf enemy lines due to US satcom. Same with the current urkaine war. UK SOF is able to launch drone strikes due to SATCOM.

Man what are we doing? We are in big trouble if we don’t fix shit up. Why aren’t we using SATCOM intel in J and K?

Satcom is very recent for us
And who says we aren't using it
It thing it's not standalone system it has to be synced within a secure datalink which it self has many terminals and sub systems
SDR being important one
But positive is we have our own indigenous datalink and it's getting better everyday
Post 27th Feb and ladakh material and funds have gone to make datalink more secure and prevalent
We have few armoured vehicles enabled with it
Tapas has indigenous satcom systeme ven indigenous fighters are getting those to perform well with datalink
In future we may have attack drones with such features and provide assistance to sof
I can see marcos issuing SDR widely and afaik 9 4 11 para have decent number of sdr

 

[Airborne22]

Yeah. Satcom is so important. SAS was given intel and able to go behinf enemy lines due to US satcom. Same with the current urkaine war. UK SOF is able to launch drone strikes due to SATCOM.

Man what are we doing? We are in big trouble if we don’t fix shit up. Why aren’t we using SATCOM intel in J and K?

we have satcom, i guess you are talking about sat based ISR and not SATCOM ?

 

[lexCommando]

Our SF lacks signals... all of the western SOFs have a dedicated signals regiment attached to them

 

[Airborne22]

Satcom is very recent for us
And who says we aren't using it
It thing it's not standalone system it has to be synced within a secure datalink which it self has many terminals and sub systems
SDR being important one
But positive is we have our own indigenous datalink and it's getting better everyday
Post 27th Feb and ladakh material and funds have gone to make datalink more secure and prevalent
We have few armoured vehicles enabled with it
Tapas has indigenous satcom systeme ven indigenous fighters are getting those to perform well with datalink
In future we may have attack drones with such features and provide assistance to sof
I can see marcos issuing SDR widely and afaik 9 4 11 para have decent number of sdr

new SDR are a standard issue in regt now, even some LAC ghatak unit were issued those. It is so because army is trying to make their BMS more widely accessible which has been in the works since 2011-13.