Indian Special Forces

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Are those some type of AK derived rifles?
Do special forces use them usually?

Chings can easily copy some AR-15 derivatives so why stick to AK derivative?

Its not AK derivative its kind of mix
Action of AK is best but its ergonomics and modularity are shit
In ar modularity and ergonomics are great
So in this chinki rifle which is qbz191
It have action of AK and ergonomics of ar i think we should also have done and adopted something similar i think drdo ugrum is also kind of same concept

 

[abingdonboy]

Yup, those patches have their ranks and respective names, take a close look.

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Always thought this was very silly- yes low vis ranks are good but to include their own names on them are kind of defeating the point.

One thing NSG has quietly but staunchly rolled out in recent years is using callsign/role identifiers and you’ll struggle to see a SAG (even the more direct action SRGs/SCGs) unit without them these days:

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View: https://x.com/IN_NetajiSubhas/status/1855977498502107640

once you see it you can’t unsee it:

View: https://youtube.com/shorts/LGHLCWlKgcA?si=j218xsEspLIGW-HV

View: https://x.com/platypus_10/status/1836795555244302339?s=46


View: https://x.com/kilo_spec/status/1785636816810606907?s=46

This should be mandatory for all Indian specialist units especially those with sensitive mandates as the risk from honeypots/infiltration is just too strong these days. All you need to know is someone’s name and branch and you can find them pretty easily on the web. Then you get the Paras who regularly walk around with their full names and ranks in bright badges but alas…

Have been doing quite a lot of looking into NSG recently and I find it quite interesting to see the disparity in the various units- SAGs, SCGs and SRGs. On the one hand it’s positive to see that SRGs are being trained (and somewhat equipped) up to a CT standard but when you see a NSG unit with bare A1 MP5s and sh!tty gear it’s fair to assume they are SRG:




As I said there’s a LOT of NSG content out there now (mostly from SRG guys, make of that what you will) but it gives a relatively decent insight into their current level

View: https://youtube.com/shorts/p9kr52O8g_Y?si=juNDufxOQXR37ubg


View: https://youtube.com/shorts/FpQ3guqPp2Y?si=LYg7F4eF2i1-JOlC

https://youtube.com/shorts/Yl63eSj5_ck?si=t8PS_ci_1cV_TfpG

https://youtube.com/shorts/Ng98OyEgC5A?si=eISTRcfXVorb--g_

https://youtube.com/shorts/9_F8l1alIMc?si=3BRXphnokLORWTdM

https://youtube.com/shorts/CYA3XAcyBhY?si=sxjfXruUy1vNGJ9g

still hilariously behind any contemporary unit in the West but at the same time decently uniform and showing decent evolution. That said >90% of the content out there will be from SRGs/SCGs, we won’t see the best stuff (CTFF) very often and maybe that’s for the best.

NSG seems to be evolving into a bit of a FBI tactical team model- local hubs have SWAT teams whilst the CTTF is retained for the top tier threats like HRT. It’s a decent foundation especially with NSG being pulled out of VVIP guarding roles from early 2025- incidentally if NSG are being pulled from this why the fk is this still a role for PARAs? Senior IA brass have bigger egos and smaller pr!cks than even petty netas now?

 

[abingdonboy]

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He's C clamping , sweeeeeeeeeeeeetttt..........

Train as you fight….

Last time Paras took their own (sh!tty) weapons, this time used host provided weapons?

You’ll almost never see Western (or even decent Asian) SOFs participating in these joint exs without their standard loadouts but Indian units will borrow weapons/helmets from hosts and issue brand new specifically provided for the ex equipment. This is not serious warfighter behaviour and makes them look like LARPers

 

[hkdas]

View: https://x.com/Elite_Mavericks/status/1858168634096631811?t=WD20CwwjulWcKM6IWR9dIQ&s=19

 

[hkdas]

View: https://x.com/airnewsalerts/status/1858130541725565039?t=SFJfpePaQulwNVs6YB0FIQ&s=19

 

[Airborne22]

Always thought this was very silly- yes low vis ranks are good but to include their own names on them are kind of defeating the point.

One thing NSG has quietly but staunchly rolled out in recent years is using callsign/role identifiers and you’ll struggle to see a SAG (even the more direct action SRGs/SCGs) unit without them these days:

once you see it you can’t unsee it:

View: https://youtube.com/shorts/LGHLCWlKgcA?si=j218xsEspLIGW-HV

View: https://x.com/platypus_10/status/1836795555244302339?s=46


View: https://x.com/kilo_spec/status/1785636816810606907?s=46

This should be mandatory for all Indian specialist units especially those with sensitive mandates as the risk from honeypots/infiltration is just too strong these days. All you need to know is someone’s name and branch and you can find them pretty easily on the web. Then you get the Paras who regularly walk around with their full names and ranks in bright badges but alas…

Have been doing quite a lot of looking into NSG recently and I find it quite interesting to see the disparity in the various units- SAGs, SCGs and SRGs. On the one hand it’s positive to see that SRGs are being trained (and somewhat equipped) up to a CT standard but when you see a NSG unit with bare A1 MP5s and sh!tty gear it’s fair to assume they are SRG:

View attachment 15649


As I said there’s a LOT of NSG content out there now (mostly from SRG guys, make of that what you will) but it gives a relatively decent insight into their current level

View: https://youtube.com/shorts/p9kr52O8g_Y?si=juNDufxOQXR37ubg


View: https://youtube.com/shorts/FpQ3guqPp2Y?si=LYg7F4eF2i1-JOlC


View: https://youtube.com/shorts/Yl63eSj5_ck?si=t8PS_ci_1cV_TfpG


View: https://youtube.com/shorts/Ng98OyEgC5A?si=eISTRcfXVorb--g_


View: https://youtube.com/shorts/9_F8l1alIMc?si=3BRXphnokLORWTdM


View: https://youtube.com/shorts/CYA3XAcyBhY?si=sxjfXruUy1vNGJ9g

still hilariously behind any contemporary unit in the West but at the same time decently uniform and showing decent evolution. That said >90% of the content out there will be from SRGs/SCGs, we won’t see the best stuff (CTFF) very often and maybe that’s for the best.

NSG seems to be evolving into a bit of a FBI tactical team model- local hubs have SWAT teams whilst the CTTF is retained for the top tier threats like HRT. It’s a decent foundation especially with NSG being pulled out of VVIP guarding roles from early 2025- incidentally if NSG are being pulled from this why the fk is this still a role for PARAs? Senior IA brass have bigger egos and smaller pr!cks than even petty netas now?

its some state police cdo unit in first pic not NSG

 

[Airborne22]

View: https://x.com/Elite_Mavericks/status/1858168634096631811?t=WD20CwwjulWcKM6IWR9dIQ&s=19

10 para SF ?

 

[Suryavanshi]

@abingdonboy good to see you here.

We were missing you.

 

[abingdonboy]

its some state police cdo unit in first pic not NSG

Potentially Bihar ATS then, incidentally they seem to have permanent NSG trainers with them:


View: https://youtube.com/shorts/q-aRR5f31kE?si=P1rX8LIyJpGMa2MY

 

[Indradeep Roy]

We are wasting money on NSG. Since its inception, the force has rarely seen combat. Instead, we could have used that budget to provide superior facilities to Army SFs.

There's no practicality of NSG in the Indian scenario. Its creation can be justified if it is used extensively in Kashmir instead of RR and Army for CT ops.

Also, create a new Parachute/Airborne/Pathfinder regiment and exclusively convert the present Parachute Reg into SF.

 

[VictorDelta4]

There's no practicality of NSG in the Indian scenario

LOL what? You want state police swat to handle a 26/11 type attack? or do you want your Military SFs to take care of internal issues?

 

[TAVOUR 21]

We are wasting money on NSG. Since its inception, the force has rarely seen combat. Instead, we could have used that budget to provide superior facilities to Army SFs.

There's no practicality of NSG in the Indian scenario. Its creation can be justified if it is used extensively in Kashmir instead of RR and Army for CT ops.

Also, create a new Parachute/Airborne/Pathfinder regiment and exclusively convert the present Parachute Reg into SF.

they are made for the worst situation and are the last solution when shit happens. Air marshals are actively deployed so you cant say we dont need them. abb haar rooz thodi hijack aur attack hoga .

 

[Indradeep Roy]

LOL what? You want state police swat to handle a 26/11 type attack? or do you want your Military SFs to take care of internal issues?

My point is not to undermine the importance of handling internal issues or urban terror threats like 26/11 but to question whether the NSG, as it stands, is the most efficient use of resources.

If the NSG has been rarely deployed for combat, wouldn’t it make more sense to direct that budget toward units like the Army SF or state police SWAT? The NSG could either be repurposed for regular CT ops in Kashmir, relieving the Army SF and RR, or its resources could strengthen existing structures.

Given, that our armed forces are loosely modeled on the UK, any exceptional high-intensity terror attack would come under the prerogative of the SAS. My point is if we have a force like NSG, maintained exclusively for domestic CT ops why not use it extensively in the actual CT zone i.e. Kashmir? NSG any day is better trained and equipped than CRPF or RR for such roles. What are they getting trained for then?

Also, restructuring the Parachute Regiment into a dedicated SF unit while creating a separate Airborne/Pathfinder regiment would enhance role clarity and operational efficiency. This isn’t about abandoning urban CT capability but ensuring every resource is used where it's most effective.

 

[abingdonboy]

We are wasting money on NSG. Since its inception, the force has rarely seen combat. Instead, we could have used that budget to provide superior facilities to Army SFs.

There's no practicality of NSG in the Indian scenario. Its creation can be justified if it is used extensively in Kashmir instead of RR and Army for CT ops.

Also, create a new Parachute/Airborne/Pathfinder regiment and exclusively convert the present Parachute Reg into SF.

I’ve heard it all now

India needs more specialists not more generalists

Give the internal CT job to Para SF? Use NSG instead of RR (effectively an infantry role) in JK? I actually laughed out loud to this

NSG are a last line of defence, they should only be used for the worst and most extreme circumstances. Not every two bit COIN/law enforcement job around. I agree NSG should be used more in JK but only for the high level complex ops that fit into their mandate ie hostage rescue- it should’ve been NSG used in EDI not the paras who botched it in just about every way possible

Also just because they don’t fire rounds off doesn’t mean they aren’t working, who do you think provides the strategic overwatch for high level government events in Delhi and around India? NSG are so stretched in their forward deployments that they have cancelled their raising day celebrations 2 times just in the last 5 years.

Paras are struggling to maintain their ‘specialties’ as they run around as super infantry and you think diluting their mandate and strength further with national CT responsibilities is a good idea?

As an aside NSG are funded by MHA, taking their quite modest budget and throwing it at the black hole that is MoD isn’t going to give you the returns you would think.