Indian Special Forces

[GhatiyaOperator]

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I humbly request Eastern Command to send the SF units under them on a covert op to this gentleman and take these christmas gifts

 

[hkdas]

I want to ask you one question..

Lets say we remove Para SF from PSO..Which other unit or regiment should take this role then?

PBGs are a different airborne unit all together.

Infantry doesnt have the aptitude..You know how my fathers bodyguard was picked..it was usually the tallest and fittest soldier..nothing else.

Now we cannot even do away from this system of PSO as you know in wars Lt Gen are a big target and are assets for any Army.

So who do you suggest should be picked?

Just create a SPG like unit within army,
Why waste para SF. !?

 

[Blademaster]

U can use whatever vocabulary u want
Entire squad was wiped out except officer if I recollect rightly

And what kind of complex is this "how can para sf be killed by pakis"
There is no such thing as superiority in military everyone is vulnerable and have their own shortfalls

False. You are painting a picture that did not happen. The terrorists set off a bomb that killed 2 people and injured others. 3 died later at the hospital sustaining injuries. The terrorists fled. They did not hold territory at the end of the day. IA came and secured the spot. There were at least a reinforced platoon/company strength which means at least around 100 men. That is not wiping out an entire team.

Get your facts straight. You have been warned.

 

[Blademaster]

Pinned down/wipe out/team lost etc mean the same and it has happened 3 times in last 6 years.

Obviously,it could be said in a better way.

No it does not. I checked the articles and it says nothing like that. Jal Jaganath and Abingdonboy have been warned for spreading such falsehood.

 

[Blademaster]

These aren’t huge damages?

Militants attack Indian army base in Kashmir 'killing 17' - BBC News

Heavily-armed militants attack an army base in Indian-administered Kashmir, killing at least 17 soldiers in an attack officials appear to be blaming on Pakistan.

www.bbc.com

Five Dead in Rebel Attack on Indian Army Base in Kashmir

Suspected rebels attacked an army camp in Indian-administered Kashmir killing three soldiers before being shot dead themselves, police said.

thedefensepost.com

Recalling the Pulwama terrorist attack: what happened on Feb 14, 2019?

Five years ago, a Jaish-e-Muhammad terrorist rammed an explosives-laden car into a convoy of the CRPF. The incident led to a surgical strike in Pakistan by the Indian Air Force. Here's what happened.

indianexpress.com

Death Toll From Attack on Indian Air Force Base Rises

The attack on the Pathankot air force base, which started before dawn Saturday, left seven Indian troops and four gunmen dead.

www.nbcnews.com

In a serious country these would all be scandals of the highest order


Let’s just ignore the fact that this is decades into this conflict and they are still exploiting the most basic of SOP breaches

Ahh that’s right, not a wipeout just a few more guys in boxes? Cause one guy had a heartbeat at the end of it it’s all good and another job well done.


What was Kandi? EDI? Kupwara? These are just off the top of my head. I can’t think of another ‘SF’ in the last 50 years that has seen such a high % of their insertions obliterated as Indian ‘SF’

If you really want to open this can of worms- the K/D ratio is always so abysmal when Indian units are involved. A handful of goat herders are able to evade and hit at will- 26/11, Pathankot, PAFF etc etc and then we are forced on these sites to sit around and defend them, to argue the minutia of why it was actually a tactical victory despite all the losses and time taken. Special forces are meant to be just that- superior in training, tactics, equipment and why? So they can disproportionately inflict harm on the enemy. A 1:1 kill ratio (at best) is not something to be proud of

Oh but these are all reactionary ops you’ll say, everyone else is hitting the enemy in their beds. Is this really an excuse? SF throwing themselves at every CASO and QRF mission going just further highlights my point that India has no SOFs because it has no strategic employment mindset.

Those attacks occurred against regular IA forces and some of the attacks involved IEDs. You made it sound that the SF teams were wiped out during gunfights, not IED attacks or attacks on regular IA forces or security forces. That's a huge difference. Your post painted a highly misleading mischaracterization of the casualties that Indian SF sustained.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

No it does not. I checked the articles and it says nothing like that. Jal Jaganath and Abingdonboy have been warned for spreading such falsehood.

Bcoz those articles are edited by a educated person who uses the best language.

Op Randori Behak had how many survivors of that team?

Kandi op had how many survivors from that squad?

You are right in one thing that pinned down doesnt mean wipe out…infact it even means

to stop someone from escaping by surrounding and shooting at them if they try to escape:

pin someone down

1. to stop someone from escaping by surrounding and shooting at them if they…

dictionary.cambridge.org

 

[Airborne22]

Just create a SPG like unit within army,
Why waste para SF. !?

Military Police can raise such units imo but can you or anyone seeing this clarify my doubt ? Why did JSOC units gave PSD to generals throughout GWOT etc ? Can we reserve specific troops within para units for that purpose ?

 

[Blademaster]

That is not what house of cards means here

I mean that the structure that Indian leaders sit on is fragile and mostly for show

Effectively India is a paper tiger- Indian leaders can’t use conventional strength because it largely doesn’t exist

Pray do tell how so? Indian Army is the only largest conventional standing army in the world that does corp level exercises once or every 2 years and it goes on for a month or so. It regularly consumes nearly war level ammo of artillery and bullets in training every year.

Do you see Pakistan doing the same thing? China doing the same thing? US Army the same thing? PLA doesn't even do corp level exercises on a regular basis.

 

[username unkown]

Military Police can raise such units imo but can you or anyone seeing this clarify my doubt ? Why did JSOC units gave PSD to generals throughout GWOT etc ? Can we reserve specific troops within para units for that purpose ?

If I remember correctly most of the tier 1 nato sof including delta and sas provided persnol protection to vip or generals
But I still think it is just a waste just train unit in military police for this specific role as only focus to vip protection in hostile environment and just like spg is alot better at vip protection then para sf or Marcos because they train for specific purpose

 

[Blademaster]

I mean RR and infantry was used extensively in the 90s to deal with harder operations so Paras could do hunting ops around the LoC.

How far we have come down. Pathetic. We need to revamp RRs training tactics

No battle tactics and technology has changed. RR has to update their training tactics to reflect the changing battlefield environment. Terrorists now have NGVs, radios, spotters and improved training. IA needs to acknowledge that.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

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[KumaoniReborn]

No battle tactics and technology has changed. RR has to update their training tactics to reflect the changing battlefield environment. Terrorists now have NGVs, radios, spotters and improved training. IA needs to acknowledge that.

They also have armor piercing rounds which are piercing through the convoys vehicles

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

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[Vinash]

I deleted a handful posts that are more or less goading and will only lead to further to and fro insults.

All parties involved, please calm down. Go to chitchat thread if you want to argue about varying opinions.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

I deleted a handful posts that are more or less goading and will only lead to further to and fro insults.

All parties involved, please calm down. Go to chitchat thread if you want to argue about varying opinions.

The true character of any man is shown when he is handed power…

choose your moderators well!

You deleted my one post in which i just praised @rkhanna and nothing else.

Its ok..but still worth mentioning coz i want him to know i appreciated him.

 

[Vinash]

The true character of any man is shown when he is handed power…

choose your moderators well!

You deleted my one post in which i just praised @rkhanna and nothing else.

Its ok..but still worth mentioning coz i want him to know i appreciated him.

C'mon, your post was deleted because you were comparing a mod with @rkhanna

Had you not made a comparision and only praised rkhanna, your post wouldn't have been deleted.

Also, new mods typically need time to settle down. They do the mod job for free and they aren't paid i.e they are volunteers.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

C'mon, your post was deleted because you were comparing a mod with @rkhanna

Had you not made a comparision and only praised rkhanna, your post wouldn't have been deleted.

Also, new mods typically need time to settle down. They do the mod job for free and they aren't paid i.e they are volunteers.

I didnt compare i just said i wonder how @rkhanna is never made a mod just because he didnt invest money and influence.

But its ok i understand the finance..i have already dealth with another moderator of this thread who is a headache @ 18.

And this is not a free job..the other moderator of this thread is a wannabe journalist..such things come in handly for future.

Anyway..i dont wanna belittle or hurt anyone..but please be careful…first you elect mods then you become apologetic about them…cmon!!!!!

 

[Vinash]

I didnt compare i just said i wonder how @rkhanna is never made a mod just because he didnt invest money and influence.

But its ok i understand the finance..i have already dealth with another moderator of this thread who is a headache @ 18.

And this is not a free job..the other moderator of this thread is a wannabe journalist..such things come in handly for future.

Anyway..i dont wanna belittle or hurt anyone..but please be careful…first you elect mods then you become apologetic about them…cmon!!!!!

Anyone who wants to take on Mod duties is free to DM any of the admins.

That includes @rkhanna , you or anyone else.

 

[Simon Riley]

I want to ask you one question..

Lets say we remove Para SF from PSO..Which other unit or regiment should take this role then?

PBGs are a different airborne unit all together.

Infantry doesnt have the aptitude..You know how my fathers bodyguard was picked..it was usually the tallest and fittest soldier..nothing else.

Now we cannot even do away from this system of PSO as you know in wars Lt Gen are a big target and are assets for any Army.

So who do you suggest should be picked?

Agreed with you on this ,besides it makes no sense to raise a unit specifically for close protection of generals and military vips. So para is the best option IMO

 

[KumaoniReborn]

But its ok i understand the finance..i have already dealth with another moderator of this thread who is a headache @ 18.

And this is not a free job..the other moderator of this thread is a wannabe journalist..such things come in handly for future.

Anyway..i dont wanna belittle or hurt anyone..but please be careful…first you elect mods then you become apologetic about them…cmon!!!!!

Which moderator was giving a headache??