Indian Special Forces

abingdonboy · 2024-12-22T06:58:44+0530

ManhattanProject said:
Whats the point of wearing that plate carrier when there is nothing in or on it? Nice beret commando!!

95% is for the swag with these guys these days

Noob · 2024-12-22T10:31:36+0530

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IWIarad11 · 2024-12-22T14:23:43+0530

View: https://youtu.be/qQiS9HWhdrE?si=dYE_5Pkt5TW4ykz0

Check out this video from SFTS Nahan from a decade back - the weapon profiling and overall kit looks good enough for that time.

monoculars, a handful mepro mors, in ear comms etc.

Some significant changes as of now:

Sako is the std bolt action rifle, mepro mor pro is replacing itl mars, a new vertical wind tunnel as opposed to the makeshift suspension dangling arangement in the vid.

It would have been so easier to spot more modernisation had the other airborne units not been converted to SF.

hkdas · 2024-12-22T14:36:00+0530

abingdonboy said:
Btw JSOC units absolutely hated the PSO roles as they signed up to be pipe hitters but I’ve explicitly seen Indian army veterans saying this is a good job for the paras as it gives para officers a cushy peacetime posting in Delhi

Mentality differences I guess

Yes, mentality differences is the main reason. In JSOC, 99% of its soldiers wants to be deployed for combat operation because none of them are permanently deployed in conflict zones. Their higher ops understand the problem of prolonged department in battle zones. So they made 6 to 9 month tours to battle zones with rest of the time dedicated to training and development of tactics based on experience from battles. So They knows that doing PSO duty is waste of time and skills, so they hate it.

While most para units are permanently deployed in conflict zones, with its soldiers are continuously deployed in battle zones for 10 to 12 years, they consider such PSO duties as a mentel relief from high tense environment. And para SF don't have the luxury of going back to unit and develp a proper tactics or do some proper training. And para SF don't have a centralised command structure. Different battalion conduct things as they like, no place for proper training or exchange of tactics, experience or joint development of tactics with different battalions. JE conducted within para battalions are more of ego clash than joint development of tactics.
Ego is higher than mountain in para SF which is clearly seen in YouTube podcast with para officers proudly claiming that he said 'stfu' to his foreign counterparts when they tried to teach para SF guys on new shooting style!!.
Some para guys like to be the pet of generals. Luxurious life, better accommodation, good schools for kids etc etc ... And generals like to show off para SF (most elite unit of Indian army) as their bodyguard.

COLDHEARTED AVIATOR · 2024-12-22T14:48:09+0530

IWIarad11 said:
View: https://youtu.be/qQiS9HWhdrE?si=dYE_5Pkt5TW4ykz0

Check out this video from SFTS Nahan from a decade back - the weapon profiling and overall kit looks good enough for that time.

monoculars, a handful mepro mors, in ear comms etc.

Some significant changes as of now:

Sako is the std bolt action rifle, mepro mor pro is replacing itl mars, a new vertical wind tunnel as opposed to the makeshift suspension dangling arangement in the vid.

It would have been so easier to spot more modernisation had the other airborne units not been converted to SF.

What was the reason of the stall post this video..why such a slow upgrade?

DumbPilot · 2024-12-22T14:52:00+0530

IWIarad11 said:
View: https://youtu.be/qQiS9HWhdrE?si=dYE_5Pkt5TW4ykz0

Check out this video from SFTS Nahan from a decade back - the weapon profiling and overall kit looks good enough for that time.

monoculars, a handful mepro mors, in ear comms etc.

Some significant changes as of now:

Sako is the std bolt action rifle, mepro mor pro is replacing itl mars, a new vertical wind tunnel as opposed to the makeshift suspension dangling arangement in the vid.

It would have been so easier to spot more modernisation had the other airborne units not been converted to SF.

VictorDelta4 · 2024-12-22T16:16:39+0530

DumbPilot said:
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Baseplate · 2024-12-22T16:19:33+0530

IWIarad11 said:
View: https://youtu.be/qQiS9HWhdrE?si=dYE_5Pkt5TW4ykz0

Check out this video from SFTS Nahan from a decade back - the weapon profiling and overall kit looks good enough for that time.

monoculars, a handful mepro mors, in ear comms etc.

Some significant changes as of now:

Sako is the std bolt action rifle, mepro mor pro is replacing itl mars, a new vertical wind tunnel as opposed to the makeshift suspension dangling arangement in the vid.

It would have been so easier to spot more modernisation had the other airborne units not been converted to SF.

I think we are upgrading quite a bit .....
Its in patches and is often not not reflected on the area of operation , but now i am quite confident that in a few dozen years we will be up to date ..

IWIarad11 · 2024-12-22T16:20:46+0530

COLDHEARTED AVIATOR said:
What was the reason of the stall post this video..why such a slow upgrade?

Ye toh bhaiya aap MOD se hi puchlo. Upgrades happening can't deny - new pistols, SDRs, in ear comtacs, high cut helmets, even PCs, 10 Para toh olive planet ke square cut kafi time se use karti hai.

Problem is with uniformity, delayed AFSOD/joint command, and ofc a big shock - indian army doesn't learn unless that happens.

They have only delivered after that tbh. 2016 strikes should have gotten them every fucking thing they wanted. Marcos asked for V22 ospreys for insertions, still have old sea kings, etc.

Garud if you closely see are very well rounded in terms of kit, a proper infantryman from west per se.

Marcos is now taking some huge strides given their small size.

But Para's biggest problem is its manmoth size. It's infantry at best, just special on paper. The OG units will sadly suffer, airborne ones simply dont care much - it shows when they smirk while buying 1500 rupee tac shirts.

I still have hopes for things to change (faster) in the next 10 years (very bleak though).

Jedi Operator · 2024-12-22T16:24:06+0530

hkdas said:
Yes, mentality differences is the main reason. In JSOC, 99% of its soldiers wants to be deployed for combat operation because none of them are permanently deployed in conflict zones. Their higher ops understand the problem of prolonged department in battle zones. So they made 6 to 9 month tours to battle zones with rest of the time dedicated to training and development of tactics based on experience from battles. So They knows that doing PSO duty is waste of time and skills, so they hate it.

While most para units are permanently deployed in conflict zones, with its soldiers are continuously deployed in battle zones for 10 to 12 years, they consider such PSO duties as a mentel relief from high tense environment. And para SF don't have the luxury of going back to unit and develp a proper tactics or do some proper training. And para SF don't have a centralised command structure. Different battalion conduct things as they like, no place for proper training or exchange of tactics, experience or joint development of tactics with different battalions. JE conducted within para battalions are more of ego clash than joint development of tactics.
Ego is higher than mountain in para SF which is clearly seen in YouTube podcast with para officers proudly claiming that he said 'stfu' to his foreign counterparts when they tried to teach para SF guys on new shooting style!!.
Some para guys like to be the pet of generals. Luxurious life, better accommodation, good schools for kids etc etc ... And generals like to show off para SF (most elite unit of Indian army) as their bodyguard.

I remember watching Andy Stumpf talking about his PSO role to former Afghan President at the start of the conflict in Afghanistan. The reason why many guys hated that, he said was because it's very reactive. A tier 1 operator already knows what's going to happen wrong but cant react unless it has actually happened

Jedi Operator · 2024-12-22T16:25:05+0530

DumbPilot said:
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COLDHEARTED AVIATOR · 2024-12-22T16:29:10+0530

Baseplate said:
I think we are upgrading quite a bit .....
Its in patches and is often not not reflected on the area of operation , but now i am quite confident that in a few dozen years we will be up to date ..

Gear and all they can get in the next 5-7 years but i havent seen much changes in drills and weapon handling in the last 20 years.

And i doubt it will change much in Para SF in the next 10.

Would be happy to be proven wrong when foreign instructor hiring is made.

Baseplate · 2024-12-22T17:20:01+0530

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWK_AVv32NQ

IWIarad11 · 2024-12-22T17:27:14+0530

COLDHEARTED AVIATOR said:
Gear and all they can get in the next 5-7 years but i havent seen much changes in drills and weapon handling in the last 20 years.

And i doubt it will change much in Para SF in the next 10.

Would be happy to be proven wrong when foreign instructor hiring is made.

11 has external instructors if rumours are true as @Yodha sir once hinted (didn't take the name but said a SF unit has been doing great demos with peltors, assault dogs and a modern kill house - I made a hunch it would be 11).

Instructor hire karne meh issue nahi hai - money isn't the big deal - ego issues are. And unless there's a joint command to standardise stuff and force things down uniformly things would go on like 3 units getting AT kits and others running around in old chest rig/lbg configurations.

IWIarad11 · 2024-12-22T17:31:06+0530

View: https://youtu.be/14pkYtKTEqE?si=YFR-FekGJi9rVjYV

Guys, just finished watching this - go for it if you're a little frustrated with officers appearing on podcasts with triggering takes.

This guy:

- participated in pathankot anti terror op
- got a DG commendation card
- got a sena medal for a casualty free op in J&K
- is humble, very experienced & gullible (nice to listen to)
- knows our strengths & weaknesses vis a vis foreign SF very well

100% recommended!

Mr.Evil · 2024-12-22T18:13:16+0530

Para(SF) With BiNods and counterweights

Noob · 2024-12-22T18:16:53+0530

They are upgrading for sure anyone who believes otherwise is probably dumb or ignorant who doesn't wanna admit it.

Now the problem isn't upgradation

They have several other problems
- the speed
- the vast difference in between units of gear and tactics that they use
- no concept of standardising anything from gear to training
- No clarity in their roles

This is just basic simplised version their is tons of more of these things we all know and have known since years. But just be happy that something is happening atleast that's my copium.

IWIarad11 · 2024-12-22T18:27:08+0530

Mr.Evil said:
Para(SF) With BiNods and counterweights
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4 Para (probably - the PC gives it away)

Noob · 2024-12-22T18:29:41+0530

IWIarad11 said:
4 Para (probably - the PC gives it away)

Some are also calling it 1

IWIarad11 · 2024-12-22T18:33:43+0530

Noob said:
Some are also calling it 1

Could be. But 1 got SMPP PCs and stuff - but who cares, as long as they all move fwd.

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