Indo-China Border & LAC

Why's this important ? China's not yet fully through with it's theatre-ization of its armed forces command structure & its modernization program which is due to be accomplished by 2027-28. Add a year or 2 as buffer . Also watch out for the deterioration in trade ties between China & the west .

It's not armed forces reorganization my dude, it's economic reorganization, 11, Jinping bandies this term about called "dual circulation", he gives a jhumla explanation to suit-boot whitey simps

But the true explanation is he wants to turn China into a consumption based economy and not export based economy, so when he decides to do Ghar Wapsi of Taiwan, any sanctions of the West have minimal impact on the rozi-rotirice of his subjects.

It remains to see how the West handles this, they are shifting assembly of products outside China but subcomponents are still produced within China, unless the supply chain is Cheen-mukt both sides can't do what they want to.

I think this will take another 10 years, perhaps that is why we have the Russia-Ukraine war , they need to vassalize Russia so they can have some of those NATO bases on China's northern border also.
 
It's not armed forces reorganization my dude, it's economic reorganization, 11, Jinping bandies this term about called "dual circulation", he gives a jhumla explanation to suit-boot whitey simps

But the true explanation is he wants to turn China into a consumption based economy and not export based economy, so when he decides to do Ghar Wapsi of Taiwan, any sanctions of the West have minimal impact on the rozi-rotirice of his subjects.

It remains to see how the West handles this, they are shifting assembly of products outside China but subcomponents are still produced within China, unless the supply chain is Cheen-mukt both sides can't do what they want to.

I think this will take another 10 years, perhaps that is why we have the Russia-Ukraine war , they need to vassalize Russia so they can have some of those NATO bases on China's northern border also.



Here are two separate links containing a series of articles on the theatre-ization & modernisation of the Chinese Armed Forces with details into the process timelines etc. Initially the modernization was due to be completed by 2049 the centenary of the successful communist revolution in China around which time they were expected to unify with Taiwan one way or another.

Since Xi took over those plans were repeatedly revised with 2035 being initially set as the date of achieving full modernization which was then subsequently revised into 2 phases - 2027-28 by which short to medium term goals enough to prosecute a successful invasion of Taiwan was to be achieved & the long term modernisation by 2035.

I've had extensive debates on this with a couple of other members over in another forum 2 years ago on this very issue.
 
It's not armed forces reorganization my dude, it's economic reorganization, 11, Jinping bandies this term about called "dual circulation", he gives a jhumla explanation to suit-boot whitey simps

But the true explanation is he wants to turn China into a consumption based economy and not export based economy, so when he decides to do Ghar Wapsi of Taiwan, any sanctions of the West have minimal impact on the rozi-rotirice of his subjects.

It remains to see how the West handles this, they are shifting assembly of products outside China but subcomponents are still produced within China, unless the supply chain is Cheen-mukt both sides can't do what they want to.

I think this will take another 10 years, perhaps that is why we have the Russia-Ukraine war , they need to vassalize Russia so they can have some of those NATO bases on China's northern border also.
Beggars cant be choosers.
West has no option BUT to deal with the greatest industrial manufacturing power ever seen in human history.
West can try to diversify to other locations out of China but will never be free of China as its main importer because China has massive overcapacity in industrial goods production. Besides, as data shows, China has more or less shrugged off their embargoes from the west and made up its western trade loss with the global south markets.

One thing is clear- West has been consistently wrong about its predictions about China for 40 years and counting. In 80s they believed that economic liberalization will bring political liberalization: WRONG.
In early 2000s they believed that China will remain a ' small household goods manufacturer and will never move to heavy industries'. WRONG
Now the western thinking is 'China will be crushed by economic choking and demographic collapse'.

I see no reason to 'trust' such a prediction, from the people who are batting at 0 wins and all wrong answers for 40 years straight.
 
Beggars cant be choosers.
West has no option BUT to deal with the greatest industrial manufacturing power ever seen in human history.
West can try to diversify to other locations out of China but will never be free of China as its main importer because China has massive overcapacity in industrial goods production. Besides, as data shows, China has more or less shrugged off their embargoes from the west and made up its western trade loss with the global south markets.

One thing is clear- West has been consistently wrong about its predictions about China for 40 years and counting. In 80s they believed that economic liberalization will bring political liberalization: WRONG.
In early 2000s they believed that China will remain a ' small household goods manufacturer and will never move to heavy industries'. WRONG
Now the western thinking is 'China will be crushed by economic choking and demographic collapse'.

I see no reason to 'trust' such a prediction, from the people who are batting at 0 wins and all wrong answers for 40 years straight.

Arre these are all jhumlas fed to civilians.
They have built China all these years precisely to be the Big Bad of the coming decades like the Soviet Union was for latter part the 20th century

It is not an accident, it is not a wrong prediction.

They fed PRChina the monetary investment, the technical knowledge, the sweetheart trade deals and concessions, knowing how the CCP regime works there, they looked the other way while the Chinese stole US defence tech secrets and made various 1:1 clones of their high tech weapons and jets.

It's almost what they gave Korea and Japan but those were/are vassals.

Meanwhile our govt has to beg , plead and do mujra for a few GE jet engines, a few semiconductor fabs and even assembly plants for Laptops, god only knows what all has been "given" for the privilege of buying Russkie oil without sanctions.

They even stopped regime change stunts after the Tianmen Square protests failed with the massacre.

What our govt and nation suffers is the defacto policy of the West for un-enslaved( or "allied" in their terminology ) nations,
So you might wonder why was so much lavished upon China? people bandy about what jhumls you've mentioned and the classic "China was cold war ally against Soviet Union" but these are all copium meant for civilian consumption.

Truth is the China you see today is according to plan, it is not an accident, it is not a fuck up.
 
"This operation, known as the “506 Special Mission,” involves rotational deployments of forces for training to the Sino-Indian border and began after a three-week incursion on the Depsang Plains by a PLAA platoon in 2013. Until a negotiated political settlement is reached, the Western TC is prepared to sustain the rotation of units into and out of the region in the largest near-combat deployment since the end of the border conflict with Vietnam in 1987.This operation is the land domain equivalent of the PLA Navy’s reef expansion construction in the South China Sea and deterrence operations conducted around Taiwan."

 
Arre these are all jhumlas fed to civilians.
They have built China all these years precisely to be the Big Bad of the coming decades like the Soviet Union was for latter part the 20th century

It is not an accident, it is not a wrong prediction.

They fed PRChina the monetary investment, the technical knowledge, the sweetheart trade deals and concessions, knowing how the CCP regime works there, they looked the other way while the Chinese stole US defence tech secrets and made various 1:1 clones of their high tech weapons and jets.

It's almost what they gave Korea and Japan but those were/are vassals.

Meanwhile our govt has to beg , plead and do mujra for a few GE jet engines, a few semiconductor fabs and even assembly plants for Laptops, god only knows what all has been "given" for the privilege of buying Russkie oil without sanctions.

They even stopped regime change stunts after the Tianmen Square protests failed with the massacre.

What our govt and nation suffers is the defacto policy of the West for un-enslaved( or "allied" in their terminology ) nations,
So you might wonder why was so much lavished upon China? people bandy about what jhumls you've mentioned and the classic "China was cold war ally against Soviet Union" but these are all copium meant for civilian consumption.

Truth is the China you see today is according to plan, it is not an accident, it is not a fuck up.
Exactly US is Megamind, Russia/Soviet metro man, China Titan, Roxie Taiwan?
 

Only agressive pushback works with china, not surgical strike on app and trade tripling.
 
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Our claims are as tall and hollow. Just like we claim PoK is ours, we harp about the area beyond Y junction is ours.

Just because ITBP somehow managed to touch those points few years back, doesn't make it ours.

See the points above ?

These are the images from 2012

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PP11 (Chinese roads, bunkers and checkposts)

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PP11A & 12 (Same road runs through)

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PP 13 (Roads & Trenches)


So what is IA / ITBP supposed to suddenly offset the Chinese infra development in the last 60 years in 2020 and capture these areas back ? What kind of unrealistic expecation is this ?

Can you really call these places "under our control" when China has built such roads and infrastructure and we haven't even pitched a single tent ?

From 1002 on Weibo’s map, ① and ② are two areas IA is asking the Patrol Right from PLA, as precondition to normalize India-China relarionship.

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"the traditional Kailash Mansarovar Yatra through Tibet has been suspended for years due to the COVID-19 pandemic."

 

"China’s restrictions drive Indians to undertake helicopter Mt Kailash pilgrimage from own country"​

 
"Indian Air Force should not perceive China as a rival: experts"

"China and India held in Beijing on August 29 the 31st Meeting of Working Mechanism for Consultation and Coordination on China-India Border Affairs, where the two sides agreed to work together to turn the page on the border situation at an early date,"

 
Its alright because its China. If this was India every Indian dephens phanboy would have already guillotined the entire Naval leadership and called their entire family and generation corrupt and incompetent.

Only communist associations like OFB, HAL and of course big daddy China are allowed to make infinite mistakes (laal salaam sir! )
Well to be fair, the rate of production of new ships & vessel in chinkaland is far superior to us, so it really doesn't matter if one is sunk. I bet within 3 years a new one will be out .
 

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