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They can now use it to steam dumplings!they forgot to close both the hatches ?
Indo-China Border & LAC
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illiterate or bikau darukhor traitor Jurnail should be court martialled. 7 percent is real growth. Nominal growth is 11 % means we will become 40+T$ economy with that pace. China and US can be around 60.
"Despite pressure from industry groups to explore openings for trade and investment with China, the Indian security establishment is unlikely to alter the status quo soon."
Tempering Expectations of an India-China ‘Reset’
Despite pressure from industry groups to explore openings for trade and investment with China, the Indian security establishment is unlikely to alter the status quo soon.
thediplomat.com
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Chinka rubber stamping Whap like armoured vehicles... meanwhile IA gernails - "Whap still needs to complete lunar trials, let's order a dozen strykers to fill in the gap, and later maybe a dozen Whaps to keep both parties happy". As if a dozen vehicles will make any difference to the 1500 vehicles chinka will mass produce every year !
"China sends ‘deterrent message’ with missile intercept test near Indian border
Test was part of a PLA exercise on the Karakoram Plateau and was reported the same day the two sides held talks in Beijing"
China sends ‘deterrent message’ with missile intercept test near Indian border
Test was part of a PLA exercise on the Karakoram Plateau and was reported the same day the two sides held talks in Beijing.
www.scmp.com
"Chinese negotiators have suggested to New Delhi that their troops be allowed to patrol in two sensitive areas along Arunachal Pradesh.
The two spots — one in the Yangtse area north-east of Tawang, where the two sides had a deadly clash in December 2022, and the second in central Arunachal along the Subansiri river valley — have been firmly under Indian control for decades."
www.tribuneindia.com
The two spots — one in the Yangtse area north-east of Tawang, where the two sides had a deadly clash in December 2022, and the second in central Arunachal along the Subansiri river valley — have been firmly under Indian control for decades."
The Tribune Exclusive: Chinese seek ‘unreasonable’ patrolling rights at two LAC spots along Arunachal Pradesh - The Tribune
Yangtse area & Subansiri valley sites firmly under Indian control for decades.
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IA should ask for rights to patrol PLA's mom's bald pu$$y"Chinese negotiators have suggested to New Delhi that their troops be allowed to patrol in two sensitive areas along Arunachal Pradesh.
The two spots — one in the Yangtse area north-east of Tawang, where the two sides had a deadly clash in December 2022, and the second in central Arunachal along the Subansiri river valley — have been firmly under Indian control for decades."
The Tribune Exclusive: Chinese seek ‘unreasonable’ patrolling rights at two LAC spots along Arunachal Pradesh - The Tribune
Yangtse area & Subansiri valley sites firmly under Indian control for decades.
"India is gearing up to keep its troops stationed forward along the Line of Actual Control (LAC) for a fifth consecutive winter amid lingering trust issues with China. The preparations include maintaining troop presence in the harsh terrains of eastern Ladakh, Arunachal Pradesh, and Sikkim.
Despite ongoing political and diplomatic talks indicating "progress and narrowing of differences," top defence sources told TOI that "the trust deficit on the ground with the People's Liberation Army (PLA) remains very high." China continues to strengthen its military positions and build permanent defenses along the 3,488-km LAC, suggesting the PLA is not planning to return to peacetime locations soon."
m.economictimes.com
While baniyas (so called industrialists, who in reality without any r&d are traders)(irrespective of caste) tried to lobby a visibly tired government to cave in so that baniyagiri can continue under the new theme of
giri (e.g drone,solar cells,cctv, e-vehicles, latest one electronic manufacturing etc), however the fundamental challenges of the relationship can't be brushed aside by pr stunts
.china occupies Indian claimed lands
.blocks one of the supreme hindu religious pilgrimage of mount Kailash , abode of Hindu deities.
.props up Pakistan militarily
.blocks listing of LeT terrorists at UN
.blocks India's NSG and unsc perm seat
.Runs a huge trade defecit in its favour without opening up it's economy to Indian service sector or take any other steps to mitigate the situation
.has held consistent position of turning the page and accept changes on ground and move on, a strategy which it seems has almost succcceded given the positive coverage in media (Indian) and claims of 75% solution (and explanations) while in reality nothing has changed in the Chinese outlook or approach.
Despite ongoing political and diplomatic talks indicating "progress and narrowing of differences," top defence sources told TOI that "the trust deficit on the ground with the People's Liberation Army (PLA) remains very high." China continues to strengthen its military positions and build permanent defenses along the 3,488-km LAC, suggesting the PLA is not planning to return to peacetime locations soon."
India gears up for fifth consecutive winter troop deployment along LAC amid ongoing trust deficit with China - The Economic Times
India is preparing for its fifth winter of forward troop deployment in eastern Ladakh and Arunachal Pradesh-Sikkim due to ongoing tensions with China. Despite political-diplomatic talks, the trust deficit with China's PLA remains high. The Indian Army is maintaining high operational preparedness...
While baniyas (so called industrialists, who in reality without any r&d are traders)(irrespective of caste) tried to lobby a visibly tired government to cave in so that baniyagiri can continue under the new theme of
giri (e.g drone,solar cells,cctv, e-vehicles, latest one electronic manufacturing etc), however the fundamental challenges of the relationship can't be brushed aside by pr stunts.china occupies Indian claimed lands
.blocks one of the supreme hindu religious pilgrimage of mount Kailash , abode of Hindu deities.
.props up Pakistan militarily
.blocks listing of LeT terrorists at UN
.blocks India's NSG and unsc perm seat
.Runs a huge trade defecit in its favour without opening up it's economy to Indian service sector or take any other steps to mitigate the situation
.has held consistent position of turning the page and accept changes on ground and move on, a strategy which it seems has almost succcceded given the positive coverage in media (Indian) and claims of 75% solution (and explanations) while in reality nothing has changed in the Chinese outlook or approach.
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at galwan we had tents/posts ahead of pp14 , LAC at galwan was close to chinese end of buffer zone ,not at pp14 , most of buffer zone is on our side
want proof ?
early april - why is ia blocking chinese border guards 1km from pp14 ?
because this was the LAC
View: https://x.com/Mukambo1987/status/1479806595794046977
Same lame argument everyday.
"I set my boots here 10 years ago hence this is my land".
Whereas China has built 4-lane highway with 24 X 7 electricity supply and heated cabins.
Same argument in Depsang (Botteneck and beyond). Just because you somehow managed to sneak in to that side doesn't mean that land automatically become yours.
Now coming to beyond PP14, when did we have any piece of infrastructure beyond PP14 ? We had rudimentary mud roads till PP14 and we tried to make an helipad at PP14. By that logic even China ingressed towards our side crossing PP14 (videos available), so which is actually the control line ?
I am fed up with this lame argument. ~12-20 Pakistani terrorists are holed up in Jammu & Rajouri, does that mean Jammu & Rajouri is now part of Pakistan ? I mean they have done more to control that territory than IA has ever done with China ?
Backed by PLA ? Where exactly ? I see no PLA around Demchok. Show me if I am wrong.
Again the same argument. We have nil to little control over territory beyond Burtse. We went and touched that hill some times ago doesn't mean shit when China has built roads & buildings in that same area and we did nothing since 1962.
Alright I see, I wasn't aware of it. But then again this was part of mutual disengagement and had to be vacated.
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china's new nuclear sub sank with nuclear fuel
lifted off sea bed with cranes .
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Its alright because its China. If this was India every Indian dephens phanboy would have already guillotined the entire Naval leadership and called their entire family and generation corrupt and incompetent.
Only communist associations like OFB, HAL and of course big daddy China are allowed to make infinite mistakes (laal salaam sir! )
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suck commie dick ? naah its truth .
at galwan we had tents/posts ahead of pp14 , LAC at galwan was close to chinese end of buffer zone ,not at pp14 , most of buffer zone is on our side
want proof ?
because this was the LAC
View: https://x.com/Mukambo1987/status/1479806595794046977
Chinese didn't cross shit. Some hobo nomads crossed the LAC and settled like 100 meters on our side. Ladakh police can kick them out.
nope , those hobos are backed by PLA , they are using tibetans to hold the land . why do u think we are begging them in talks to leave ?
Not UPA era but since 1962.
where was LAC in depsang ?
read this news article and what parliamentary committee had to say
"Defence Secretary Shashi Kant Sharma and senior defence ministry officials appeared before a parliamentary committee to give details of the incursion."
"They told the panel that Chinese troops had intruded 19 km deep inside Indian territory in Depsang in Ladakh region and pitched tents. They also said that efforts are underway to ensure that the status quo is maintained, informed sources said."
2013 intrusion at raki was 19km inside India , where does that put the LAC ?
depsang bulge used ot be at worst a grey zone patrolled by both sides , now its under control of PLA .
Lol what boat pier ? What are these twisted stories coming from ?
we had a old dock with boats at f2 , boats were removed before disengagement . and never came back
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Our claims are as tall and hollow. Just like we claim PoK is ours, we harp about the area beyond Y junction is ours.
Just because ITBP somehow managed to touch those points few years back, doesn't make it ours.
See the points above ?
These are the images from 2012
PP11 (Chinese roads, bunkers and checkposts)
PP11A & 12 (Same road runs through)
PP 13 (Roads & Trenches)
So what is IA / ITBP supposed to suddenly offset the Chinese infra development in the last 60 years in 2020 and capture these areas back ? What kind of unrealistic expecation is this ?
Can you really call these places "under our control" when China has built such roads and infrastructure and we haven't even pitched a single tent ?
what kind of lame barn door is that, should have blast proof gate.. given advent of drones, pin point targeting is not difficult.
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The Tribune Exclusive: Chinese seek ‘unreasonable’ patrolling rights at two LAC spots along Arunachal Pradesh - The Tribune
Yangtse area & Subansiri valley sites firmly under Indian control for decades.
Ladakh all sorted, now China is putting pressure in Arunachal Pradesh, as predicted by @Ultraman
.almost all the happy news of turning the page came after recent Babu(aka bureaucrats) led meeting ( maybe under baniya aka trader influence ) in which fauji afsaraans were not included and someone tried to do infowar /propaganda to portray sab changase and problem solved 75%
. however nothing has changed on the ground and we had to compromise (the extent of Chinese compromise is not clear, atleast no public domain info on so called legacy issues)
.Chinese almost influenced us to turn the page and keep the border issue at its appropriate place
. inspite of the planned happy ending IA declared winter deployment will continue
"India's border tension with China is continuing despite dozens of rounds of military-level talks. While the political-level talks claim to have broken the initial deadlock, the security forces on the ground remain wary of China's tactics"
zeenews.india.com
. however nothing has changed on the ground and we had to compromise (the extent of Chinese compromise is not clear, atleast no public domain info on so called legacy issues)
.Chinese almost influenced us to turn the page and keep the border issue at its appropriate place
. inspite of the planned happy ending IA declared winter deployment will continue
"India's border tension with China is continuing despite dozens of rounds of military-level talks. While the political-level talks claim to have broken the initial deadlock, the security forces on the ground remain wary of China's tactics"
On Chinese Construction Along LAC, Army Chief Gen Upendra Dwivedis Grey Zone Battle Warning
India-China Row: While the Army continues to engage in talks with Chinas army PLA, Indian Army Chief General Upendra Dwivedi has said that India needs to be alert against grey zone battles.
"Discussions within Chinese media often exhibit an air of arrogance regarding India’s potential as a manufacturing alternative to China. Analysts remain sceptical about India’s ability to serve as a viable substitute in the economic sphere. Many argue that India will struggle to surpass China or replicate its achievements over the past three decades within a similar timeframe, citing significant challenges in advancing its manufacturing capabilities."
"Chinese analysts observe that Indian media increasingly reflects optimism about Sino-Indian negotiations, likely influenced by India’s current economic situation. The discourse is stuck between the idea that India will never be able to catch up with China and the belief that China should not help its adversary’s rise."
"While Beijing has long urged New Delhi to focus on issues beyond the border dispute, the current narrative suggesting consistent disengagement by China—while portraying India as eager to adjust its stance for commercial interests—appears disingenuous. This effort seems designed to distract from underlying issues and points of contention, while also fostering a false narrative that India is going soft on China."
"Chinese analysts observe that Indian media increasingly reflects optimism about Sino-Indian negotiations, likely influenced by India’s current economic situation. The discourse is stuck between the idea that India will never be able to catch up with China and the belief that China should not help its adversary’s rise."
"While Beijing has long urged New Delhi to focus on issues beyond the border dispute, the current narrative suggesting consistent disengagement by China—while portraying India as eager to adjust its stance for commercial interests—appears disingenuous. This effort seems designed to distract from underlying issues and points of contention, while also fostering a false narrative that India is going soft on China."
Chinese are seeing India as going soft. Talk of ‘consensus’ over disengagement rings hollow
A review of Chinese media and social platforms reveals a widespread perception that India has adopted a more conciliatory approach towards China.
theprint.in
Hello Print Bhaiya, softie editorials bhi tum likho aur softie hone ka feedback tum hi lekar aao. Chit bhi tumhari pat bhi tumhari"Discussions within Chinese media often exhibit an air of arrogance regarding India’s potential as a manufacturing alternative to China. Analysts remain sceptical about India’s ability to serve as a viable substitute in the economic sphere. Many argue that India will struggle to surpass China or replicate its achievements over the past three decades within a similar timeframe, citing significant challenges in advancing its manufacturing capabilities."
"Chinese analysts observe that Indian media increasingly reflects optimism about Sino-Indian negotiations, likely influenced by India’s current economic situation. The discourse is stuck between the idea that India will never be able to catch up with China and the belief that China should not help its adversary’s rise."
"While Beijing has long urged New Delhi to focus on issues beyond the border dispute, the current narrative suggesting consistent disengagement by China—while portraying India as eager to adjust its stance for commercial interests—appears disingenuous. This effort seems designed to distract from underlying issues and points of contention, while also fostering a false narrative that India is going soft on China."
Chinese are seeing India as going soft. Talk of ‘consensus’ over disengagement rings hollow
A review of Chinese media and social platforms reveals a widespread perception that India has adopted a more conciliatory approach towards China.theprint.in
"Jaishankar noted that China accounts for about 31-32% of global manufacturing and stressed that it has happened as the international community, primarily Western-led, over the past few decades has opted to collaborate with China for mutual benefit."
www.news18.com
Sarkar is playing good cop bad cop , running in loops , ostensibly it is tired/emaciated or under baniya( aka trader) pressure want a way out with face saving measure.
So most probably there will be no disengagement/ withdrawal and return to status quo prior to 2020 and page will be turned and border issue will be kept at its appropriate place, but this will happen in a stretched timeline so as not to give rise to stinging domestic criticism.
And most probably preparations are on going for jhoola diplomacy and photo op in the upcoming BRICS session.
'Border Stand-Off To Continue Until...': Jaishankar Speaks On Ties With China, Points Out Its Pact Violations - News18
External Affairs Minister S Jaishankar on Tuesday said the border standoff between India and China will continue until there are forward deployments of militaries on the border and noted peace agreements were violated by China in 2020. For more inputs, follow news18.com
Sarkar is playing good cop bad cop , running in loops , ostensibly it is tired/emaciated or under baniya( aka trader) pressure want a way out with face saving measure.
So most probably there will be no disengagement/ withdrawal and return to status quo prior to 2020 and page will be turned and border issue will be kept at its appropriate place, but this will happen in a stretched timeline so as not to give rise to stinging domestic criticism.
And most probably preparations are on going for jhoola diplomacy and photo op in the upcoming BRICS session.
A welcome development but why not install a blast door??
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