Indo-China Border & LAC

[samsaptaka]

Truth is the China you see today is according to plan, it is not an accident, it is not a fuck up.

And pray what is this plan of the west ? Could you please tell us

 

[Hari Sud]

Chinese threat to India has disappeared in 10 years of buildup

As long as Himalayan high mountains with only a few passes which permit ingress from Tibet/Sinkiang area into India and permanent Indian Army presence is maintained, Chinese are at a disadvantage to invade India. The well manned passes and mountain artillery on mountain tops can stop any army from Invasion.

The key here is road infrastructure which is nearing completion in many areas and under construction elsewhere, it permits sufficient strength to let the Chinese know that 1962 type cake walk is not possible.

But there capability to salami slice will not go away. They tried it in 2020 both in Ladakh and made an effort in Tawang area in Arunachal Pradesh. The former they succeeded and then retreated from Galwan, Gogra, Hotspring and Pangong Lake area after India occupied the Kailash Heights and threatened their main base and their supply line. In Tawang area they were beaten back with sticks and nails. They now have decided not to attempt it.

The real fight is coming up is in the Indian Ocean. The Chinese are not finished with Taiwan and Philippines. Their operational navy is tied down there. Moreover they are too new to naval warfare. Their hardware is inferior with two nuclear submarine sunk and their aircraft carrier remains along the coast not venturing into the deep sea. They are afraid of non lethal sinking with hardware failure.

That is giving India time to build and strengthen Indian Navy. The Andaman Indian Naval base and Malacca Straits is their choke point. If they cross, they die. Hence in next 5 to 10 years, they will not even try. That is the time for India to build its nuclear and conventional submarine fleet. Remember, Chinese stolen and copied technology does not make good ships. Moreover inexperienced sailors have a low morale of their ship sinking in high seas, about 4000km away from home base. These are all disadvantages of Chinese navy.

They are smartly playing Pakistani naval politics. They are selling them 12 third class submarines which have more downtime at the docks than at sea. Their number and presence makes Indian Navy nervous. Pakistanis have suicidal tendencies hence they can start a threatening fight even if they know that their equipment is inferior and would loose. Still they will come out to fight a loosing battle.

Hence, truthfully the Chinese will maintain a threatening posture but their days of cake walk are long gone. Just watch for their salami slicing. In that case, India should go ahead and occupy a threatening mountain top and scare them.

 

[hurrians]

"The Sino-Indian border faceoff was triggered by China’s stealth encroachments on some Indian borderlands in April 2020. India failed to foresee the Chinese aggression largely because Prime Minister Narendra Modi had focused on appeasing Beijing in a bid to chip away at the China-Pakistan strategic axis. Between 2014 and 2019, Modi met with Chinese President Xi Jinping 18 times, building a close personal rapport. The Xi-ordered encroachments were thus widely seen in India as a stab in the back."

"India’s robust military response to China’s encroachments, including more than matching Chinese force deployments, took Beijing by surprise, helping to spotlight not just the Sino-Indian territorial disputes but also India’s challenge to Chinese power and capability. No other nation, not even the U.S., has locked horns with the Chinese military in this century the way India has since 2020."

China still challenges India in the Himalayas as BRICS summit approaches

With the U.S.-China rivalry deepening, the last thing Xi should be doing is turning India into an enduring enemy.

thehill.com

 

[shade2]

"The Sino-Indian border faceoff was triggered by China’s stealth encroachments on some Indian borderlands in April 2020. India failed to foresee the Chinese aggression largely because Prime Minister Narendra Modi had focused on appeasing Beijing in a bid to chip away at the China-Pakistan strategic axis. Between 2014 and 2019, Modi met with Chinese President Xi Jinping 18 times, building a close personal rapport. The Xi-ordered encroachments were thus widely seen in India as a stab in the back."

"India’s robust military response to China’s encroachments, including more than matching Chinese force deployments, took Beijing by surprise, helping to spotlight not just the Sino-Indian territorial disputes but also India’s challenge to Chinese power and capability. No other nation, not even the U.S., has locked horns with the Chinese military in this century the way India has since 2020."

China still challenges India in the Himalayas as BRICS summit approaches

With the U.S.-China rivalry deepening, the last thing Xi should be doing is turning India into an enduring enemy.

thehill.com

Hope there is enough left for robust deployments in Sikkim and Arunachal also

 

[mist_consecutive]

We are black-topping roads at such a break-neck pace in Ladakh that it is matched only by China. Not sure what happened suddenly this year. Maybe they delegated road-building to some private company instead of BRO.

Also, Nyoma airstrip is 90% ready, should be fully operational by next year.

 

[hurrians]

"Xi’s failure, while green-lighting the 2020 encroachments, to anticipate a robust Indian military response openly challenging Chinese power and capability was a serious strategic miscalculation."

"However, India has done little to build bargaining leverage against China, which is why the buffer zones at Galwan Valley, Pangong Lake and Gogra-Hot Springs were established largely on Indian territories."


"India should have responded to the 2020 Chinese encroachments by sending troops into strategic Chinese-held areas in Tibet. This would have raised the costs for Chinese border violations, thereby boosting deterrence"

"More broadly, the standoff persists despite more than four years of military and diplomatic negotiations because China has used those talks to take India round and round the mulberry bush, while it has been quietly consolidating its encroachments and building new warfare-related infrastructure along the entire Indo-Tibetan frontier."

"If a ‘peace’ deal were to be concluded in whatever shape, a few things will not change, though. With China having forcibly changed the territorial status quo in eastern Ladakh, a return to status quo ante is most unlikely."

"New Delhi is still struggling to understand why Xi—despite meeting Modi 18 times over nearly six years and despite the two countries’ commitment to the “Wuhan spirit” and to open “a new era of cooperation” through the “Chennai connect”—betrayed India’s trust by stealthily encroaching on Ladakh borderlands. If Xi wanted peaceful, mutually beneficial cooperation with India, such aggression would have been the last thing on his mind.


In this light, any ‘peace’ deal that China concludes with India will not be about peace but about formalising its strategic advantages."

Tread Carefully

Any peace deal should not be about formalising China’s strategic advantages Brahma Chellaney | OPEN magazine China and India make up more than one-third of the global population, and enduri…

chellaney.net

 

[mist_consecutive]

Air Force planning to take over 3 airstrips in Uttarakhand: Chief of Defence Staff

Chief of Defence Staff (CDS), General Anil Chauhan said the Indian Air Force is planning to take over three airstrips in Uttarkhand and use them for strategic purposes.

www.indiatoday.in

3 Airstrips already built (will be taken over by IAF) and then one new built in Spiti valley.

 

[Screambowl]

"China’s restrictions drive Indians to undertake helicopter Mt Kailash pilgrimage from own country"​

China’s restrictions drive Indians to undertake helicopter Mt Kailash pilgrimage from own country - Tibetan Review

(TibetanReview.net, Oct05’24) – As the Mt Kailash–Lake Mansarovar Yatra for Indian pilgrims has continued to remain closed or prohibitively regulated since 2020 both for government-organized travellers and those wishing to make the trip privately from Nepal, The Uttarakhand Tourism Department...

www.tibetanreview.net

Congratulations, sanatan dharmio

 

[Screambowl]

We are black-topping roads at such a break-neck pace in Ladakh that it is matched only by China. Not sure what happened suddenly this year. Maybe they delegated road-building to some private company instead of BRO.

Also, Nyoma airstrip is 90% ready, should be fully operational by next year.

Most importantly all the people in Himalayan region must have houses in plain areas. In case of war with China all children, women and aged can then move there. Depending on government will only create more trouble. This should be clear. And you can't trust other fellows of this nation to help eachother in case of war.

 

[hurrians]

.some may have aggressive mentality wrt pakis but somehow won't have same with chicoms
.power differential is huge but chicoms couldn't get past a point in 1962 and same in 2020 maybe due to logistics/geography
.while some so called fanboys will argue wether land was lost or not , while the scale may be vastly different but somehow the entire matter reeks of lehru times and how everyone blamed lehru ji anyway even the present govt hasn't released the 1962 debacle report.
.from Chinese perspective India is not a pushover nor the vanquished one- Bhutan , Sikkim , arunachal, ladakh
.one high point of current standoff it seems was kailash range op snow leopard.
.an approach like the Nepalese towards china can't be taken by us (we are not taking that approach but neither are we reacting like the Vietnamese who burnt the Chinese factories for an oil rig)

It's time Nepal wakes up to Chinese land grabs, intrusions: Report

Beijing [China], November 5 (ANI): Chinese land grabs and interferences into Nepal’s territory are often not taken seriously by the Nepalese government which offers Beijing a loophole to keep expanding its expansionist designs in the Himalayas, as per an article written by Siegfried O. Wolf...

theprint.in

Vietnam anti-China protest: Factories burnt

At least 15 foreign-owned factories are set on fire amid anti-China protests in southern Vietnam over tensions in the South China Sea.

www.bbc.com

 

[shade2]

.some may have aggressive mentality wrt pakis but somehow won't have same with chicoms
.power differential is huge but chicoms couldn't get past a point in 1962 and same in 2020 maybe due to logistics/geography
.while some so called fanboys will argue wether land was lost or not , while the scale may be vastly different but somehow the entire matter reeks of lehru times and how everyone blamed lehru ji anyway even the present govt hasn't released the 1962 debacle report.
.from Chinese perspective India is not a pushover nor the vanquished one- Bhutan , Sikkim , arunachal, ladakh
.one high point of current standoff it seems was kailash range op snow leopard.
.an approach like the Nepalese towards china can't be taken by us (we are not taking that approach but neither are we reacting like the Vietnamese who burnt the Chinese factories for an oil rig)

It's time Nepal wakes up to Chinese land grabs, intrusions: Report

Beijing [China], November 5 (ANI): Chinese land grabs and interferences into Nepal’s territory are often not taken seriously by the Nepalese government which offers Beijing a loophole to keep expanding its expansionist designs in the Himalayas, as per an article written by Siegfried O. Wolf...

theprint.in

Vietnam anti-China protest: Factories burnt

At least 15 foreign-owned factories are set on fire amid anti-China protests in southern Vietnam over tensions in the South China Sea.

www.bbc.com

Sarkar doesn't want to take a risk by counter-ungli-ing of Chinkus and the resulting escalation in which the class of think-tanker baboo has already predicted we will lose badly.

And this is also aside from the death of the "India Story" where all foreign investor pigeons fly away to SEAsia, never to return irrespective of win or loss.

So till then we play chai-biscoot and defense defense while they salami slice more kms of our land.

Anyway ball is in chinku's court, only improvement from Lehru's era is the Govt is Infra-maxxxing in LAC, HP, UK, not sure about Arunachal though plus the heavy military deployment at the LAC.

In terms of procurement or production for IA and IAF we are GG fucked and nothing is being done to improve this, It's as if someone has given up and has turned into a human Ostrich with his head in the sand

 

[BlackViking]

Chinkis are busy creating villages on LAC to populate them and claim the land, and then we have chutiyas of the highest order who are busy preparing escape plans before the start of a war.

 

[Satish Sharma Ji]

Chinkis are busy creating villages on LAC to populate them and claim the land, and then we have chutiyas of the highest order who are busy preparing escape plans before the start of a war.

This is the same mentality as congress.

Why should we build infrastructure on border that would give them access china will use and can come deep inside india.

 

[Patriots]

Iaf doesnot have fighter jets
Ia doesnot have utility helicopters
Navy doesnot have attack submarines

.....................china is very kind ...

 

[Satish Sharma Ji]

.some may have aggressive mentality wrt pakis but somehow won't have same with chicoms
.power differential is huge but chicoms couldn't get past a point in 1962 and same in 2020 maybe due to logistics/geography
.while some so called fanboys will argue wether land was lost or not , while the scale may be vastly different but somehow the entire matter reeks of lehru times and how everyone blamed lehru ji anyway even the present govt hasn't released the 1962 debacle report.
.from Chinese perspective India is not a pushover nor the vanquished one- Bhutan , Sikkim , arunachal, ladakh
.one high point of current standoff it seems was kailash range op snow leopard.
.an approach like the Nepalese towards china can't be taken by us (we are not taking that approach but neither are we reacting like the Vietnamese who burnt the Chinese factories for an oil rig)

It's time Nepal wakes up to Chinese land grabs, intrusions: Report

Beijing [China], November 5 (ANI): Chinese land grabs and interferences into Nepal’s territory are often not taken seriously by the Nepalese government which offers Beijing a loophole to keep expanding its expansionist designs in the Himalayas, as per an article written by Siegfried O. Wolf...

theprint.in

Vietnam anti-China protest: Factories burnt

At least 15 foreign-owned factories are set on fire amid anti-China protests in southern Vietnam over tensions in the South China Sea.

www.bbc.com

@shade2 said well.
This is not the time for india to go on war unless it is imposed on us. We should try everything possible to avoid it. And we are doing it
this is not an era.........

If we go on a war as shade said all our investors will abandon
Today china has guts because they have reached at that level. We first need to reduce the parity.
Deng xioping said, hide you're strength bide you're time.
We have to do the same.
Unless and until we don't reach enought trillion dollars economy first.
We have to keep our growth in good numbers.
Become economically strong enough.
Developed manufacturing capabilities like China in all sectors including defence.

And I don't mean being complete coward like you @Screambowl because I mean avoid conflict.
This is for you..
Had we become such coward we would have never build 10,000+ km of highways bridges tunnel infra on borders and in key areas to improve our logistics and overall effort. While previous governments avoided making good infra in order to avoid the mess which would happen when any developments was initiated.

This kind of peace costs alot in long term than to current instability which come when one solves the problem. I think we have suffered alot with this syndrome.
Fuk this we have people inside who come to protests against road widening which was happening so that brahmos launch vehicles can be transported quickly to launch points.
This is the state you have e enough enemies inside from media houses to NGOs.



If we go on war we would simply loose another opportunity of being a large economic powerhouse. All things growth economy fdi would come to an end.

 

[Satish Sharma Ji]

Iaf doesnot have fighter jets
Ia doesnot have utility helicopters
Navy doesnot have attack submarines

.....................china is very kind ...

We will fight with what we have because this era is not an......; )

 

[iNorthernerOn9]

Iaf doesnot have fighter jets
Ia doesnot have utility helicopters
Navy doesnot have attack submarines

.....................china is very kind ...

These are not the only items in which the 3 are lagging or deficient. The list is long and I have posted it so many times that I have lost interest.

Apart from our SRBM & MRBM reserves... about which I really don't have an idea... the only thing stopping chinese from rolling down till Assam plains is lack of determination & willingness for a bloody war till now in the CCP.

 

[shade2]

@shade2 said well.
This is not the time for india to go on war unless it is imposed on us. We should try everything possible to avoid it. And we are doing it
this is not an era.........

If we go on a war as shade said all our investors will abandon
Today china has guts because they have reached at that level. We first need to reduce the parity.
Deng xioping said, hide you're strength bide you're time.
We have to do the same.
Unless and until we don't reach enought trillion dollars economy first.
We have to keep our growth in good numbers.
Become economically strong enough.
Developed manufacturing capabilities like China in all sectors including defence.

And I don't mean being complete coward like you @Screambowl because I mean avoid conflict.
This is for you..
Had we become such coward we would have never build 10,000+ km of highways bridges tunnel infra on borders and in key areas to improve our logistics and overall effort. While previous governments avoided making good infra in order to avoid the mess which would happen when any developments was initiated.

This kind of peace costs alot in long term than to current instability which come when one solves the problem. I think we have suffered alot with this syndrome.
Fuk this we have people inside who come to protests against road widening which was happening so that brahmos launch vehicles can be transported quickly to launch points.
This is the state you have e enough enemies inside from media houses to NGOs.



If we go on war we would simply loose another opportunity of being a large economic powerhouse. All things growth economy fdi would come to an end.

I was not giving #FoolSapportSaar to govt's behavior, just giving their reasoning/constraints behind it.

I totally believe that they can pay back the chinkus in kind with the same salami slicing tactics without escalation into all out war because they too are pussies who have no stomach for a direct conflict, until the muhurat decided upon by 11, Jinpig.

Once that Muhurat appears however we are GG fucked because both Imported Airforce and Army are materially incapable of defeating a combined Packie Chinku war in the current state and since the past decade.

Govt will be forced to do EmErGeNcY pRoCuReMeNts via Mujra in western capitals with katora in one hand and kidney in another, since magically "supply chain issues" will pop up or maybe magical export controls may appear because we violated hooman raitas in the past

Govt truly believes in ToDaYs NoT aN ErA oF WaR and has given up on fixing DPSU employees and Chandigarh Lobby Gernails.

Random pic not related or maybe it is

 

[Satish Sharma Ji]

I was not giving #FoolSapportSaar to govt's behavior, just giving their reasoning/constraints behind it.

I totally believe that they can pay back the chinkus in kind with the same salami slicing tactics without escalation into all out war because they too are pussies who have no stomach for a direct conflict, until the muhurat decided upon by 11, Jinpig.

Once that Muhurat appears however we are GG fucked because both Imported Airforce and Army are materially incapable of defeating a combined Packie Chinku war in the current state and since the past decade.

Govt will be forced to do EmErGeNcY pRoCuReMeNts via Mujra in western capitals with katora in one hand and kidney in another, since magically "supply chain issues" will pop up or maybe magical export controls may appear because we violated hooman raitas in the past

Govt truly believes in ToDaYs NoT aN ErA oF WaR and has given up on fixing DPSU employees and Chandigarh Lobby Gernails.

Random pic not related or maybe it is


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You yourself quoted so many problems which is why they can afford to do salami slicing. While this is not the case with them they are very well prepared and have a strong backing.
To do salami slicing my friend you need something behind you backing a strong military which we don't have a strong economy atleast stronger than enemy's.
Our salami slicing would have more chances of resulting escalation than they doing salami slicing would have.
And as I said we simply can't afford a war right now. I want my nation to become a developed country. It has potential to have 10-20 trillion dollars economy by simply wagging war I don't want this opportunity to loose. You know we have already lost so many. We can do this all once we have enough economy/industrial base/military strength and all. Till then hide you're strength and bide you're time. As deng xioping said president of china who reformed china from a plundered communist state to what it has became today.

Avoid escalation resist any encroachment fight with full force if war is imposed by adversary.

 

[sameer]

Iaf doesnot have fighter jets
Ia doesnot have utility helicopters
Navy doesnot have attack submarines

.....................china is very kind ...

If Cheena tries to do some russi type special millitary operations, they will incur significant costs which will significantly delay their goals for Taiwan. And any long term war in the Himalayas is a nightmare for both sides. It's just a stalemate at this point.

Cheena's first priority has always been Taiwan. That's what they're preparing for. The existence of Taiwan will always be a bigger humiliation for the CCP.