Indo-China Border & LAC

[Screambowl]

View: https://x.com/ANI/status/1848628720942387261

S Jaishanker's words do not match with the position on ground and statements from military. This is not a good practice.

S Jaishankar: Disengagement Process With China On LAC Completed!

The agreement with China on the resumption of patrolling along the Line of Actual Control (LAC), appears to have closed the door on an ugly chapter in bilateral relations. External Affairs Minister S Jaishankar said in Delhi that “The understanding to my knowledge is that we will be able to do the p

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We can say that the disengagement process with China has been completed. There are areas which for various reasons after 2020 … because they had blocked us we had blocked them. So what has happened is we have reached an agreement which will allow patrolling.

 

[Patriots]

View: https://x.com/nitingokhale/status/1848651712053072262

 

[shade2]

Shri @mist_consecutive, do you happen to know what is the status of border infra in AP? and troop deployments also.

News gives a lot of attention to LAC infra development but AP ka can't find much

 

[mist_consecutive]

Land can be taken back- borders can be altered, but culture and sanity once lost, can not be brought back.

Just like how we lost PoK, Aksai Chin and took it back, right ?

This has to be the biggest joke of the millennia. From cultural pov, Powerhouse only in the terms of dismantling it.

95% of India lives in these type of infra -



Random village in SoKo / Japan / Taiwan colonialised / heavily influenced by America -



And you want to tell me preserving our culture is our utmost priority and not economic prosperity ?

Imho, We should have waited untill elections get over. Expect a pro India stand from Trump administration.

We can take pro-America stance again no problem. Nothing is lost.

Every one knows this. And there will be monitoring all the time so that no chinese troops take advantage of it. Just need right people at the job, unlike during Galwan when chief of NTRO kept sleeping.
Most of these blunders happen due to wrong people on chair, missing the inputs or not being proactive.

Problem is different this time. They have created road networks & military infra very close to borders now. Our reaction time has to be too fast.

Shri @mist_consecutive, do you happen to know what is the status of border infra in AP? and troop deployments also.

News gives a lot of attention to LAC infra development but AP ka can't find much

Ongoing at the same pace as in Ladakh.

 

[Psacha123]

kind of a vague confirmation by Chinese in their briefing without any specifics.

“The two sides reached resolutions on relevant matters. China will work with India to implement those”


View: https://x.com/chellaney/status/1848686461404545435?s=46

 

[Hari Sud]

With China, a direct face to face conflict is avoided with the latest understanding on LAC in Ladakh. But this is not political rapprochement. China has not given up on its Arunachal Pradesh grab or will ever vacate the Akas Chin plateau in Ladakh.

Chinese knew that India is growing militarily and economically. It was making India sweat with face to face confrontation. India took the challenge with a huge buildup of military and infrastructure. That meant Chinese will not get their way either by stealth or frontal confrontation. Hence, they chose the alternative to avoid military confrontation. Generally Chinese do not fight, if they cannot win. That situation began to exist in last two years.

Additional point here is that Ukraine war has made India-US relations difficult. China wished to capitalize on this rift. It may end QUAD evolution.

 

[shade2]

kind of a vague confirmation by Chinese in their briefing without any specifics.

“The two sides reached resolutions on relevant matters. China will work with India to implement those”


View: https://x.com/chellaney/status/1848686461404545435?s=46

They will be back, which is why there aren't any specifics.

 

[crazywithmath]

95% of India lives in these type of infra -

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Random village in SoKo / Japan / Taiwan colonialised / heavily influenced by America -

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And you want to tell me preserving our culture is our utmost priority and not economic prosperity ?

Bruh, come on! 95% of India definitely does not reside by a non paved road (some construction work going on in the pics?). You do not have to respond to one extreme take with another extreme take.

Agree with the broader points. My only concern is that Uncle Sam used to have decent manufacturing capabilities up until the '60s and '70s - which they subsequently shifted out to their loyal a̶l̶l̶i̶e̶s̶ vassals. As of 2024, their domestic industries stand neutered and all they can 'shift' is some portions of the supply chain from coronaland. And even that is not guaranteed if the MAGAs end up winning the upcoming Presidential election.

 

[mist_consecutive]

kind of a vague confirmation by Chinese in their briefing without any specifics.

“The two sides reached resolutions on relevant matters. China will work with India to implement those”


View: https://x.com/chellaney/status/1848686461404545435?s=46

I think this shows the disengagement + border patrol agreement wasn't in Chinese favour. When some decision isn't in China's favour they try to brush it under the carpet so that domestic audience doesn't hear about it much.

Rest assured if this was overwhelmingly in China's favour Xi Jinping would had personally flew to Delhi to hug Modi.

Bruh, come on! 95% of India definitely does not reside by a non paved road (some construction work going on in the pics?). You do not have to respond to one extreme take with another extreme take.

Agree with the broader points. My only concern is that Uncle Sam used to have decent manufacturing capabilities up until the '60s and '70s - which they subsequently shifted out to their loyal a̶l̶l̶i̶e̶s̶ vassals. As of 2024, their domestic industries stand neutered and all they can 'shift' is some portions of the supply chain from coronaland. And even that is not guaranteed if the MAGAs end up winning the upcoming Presidential election.

Bro I am not kidding. What % of India lives in high-rise metropolitans or bustling cities really ? A tiny fraction only.

Instead of dharma & culture kanging, our generation must focus on ruthless economy + military building.

This chart tells you the fundamental problem of India -

Uneducated dehati chapris will always vote for caste + freebies politics. They will drag the country down no matter how much dharma or culture maxxing you do.

Once we have our economy and military sorted, go fullpower on culture and dharma influence. Nobody listens to a poor broke man.

 

[altruistRor]

Just like how we lost PoK, Aksai Chin and took it back, right ?

As said, geographic boundaries change every hundred years or so. Turn the history pages, you'll get the answer.
Why just bothered about PoK or CoK.. we lost entire Sindh, half Punjab and Bengal as well. There was a time when entire India was lost to islamic invaders and Britishers. We fought and got most of it back. Same can happen again.

And you want to tell me preserving our culture is our utmost priority and not economic prosperity ?

Economic prosperity at the cost of culture is definitely not our priority. And here you are trying to compare apples with oranges. Comparing random east asian village with India is completely illogical without taking population and population density into account.
The mess around the country is because of the bureaucratic lathergy and work apathy among the govt employees, no much relation with super economy.

We can take pro-America stance again no problem. Nothing is lost.

The first and foremost thing that is lost when a country takes a pro-American stance is it's sovereignty. The way Americans are hell bent on punishing India on every random topic, don't think goi would be in a mood to go that way.

We'll be doing our usual monkey-balancing, may be a little shift towards the East block.

 

[shade2]

I think this shows the disengagement + border patrol agreement wasn't in Chinese favour. When some decision isn't in China's favour they try to brush it under the carpet so that domestic audience doesn't hear about it much.

Rest assured if this was overwhelmingly in China's favour Xi Jinping would had personally flew to Delhi to hug Modi.



Bro I am not kidding. What % of India lives in high-rise metropolitans or bustling cities really ? A tiny fraction only.

Instead of dharma & culture kanging, our generation must focus on ruthless economy + military building.

This chart tells you the fundamental problem of India -

Uneducated dehati chapris will always vote for caste + freebies politics. They will drag the country down no matter how much dharma or culture maxxing you do.

Once we have our economy and military sorted, go fullpower on culture and dharma influence. Nobody listens to a poor broke man.

Aligning with Burgers will lead to caste and language maxxxxing, your religion will go and with it the country's unity.
The current model is best imo, keep Amerishart at a distance but don't do panga with him, as the years pass and the 10 foot china man gets additional feet in height, the more this arrangement suits us since the Amerimutts will be on the backfoot.

Rest agree with what you have said especially the last line, nobody gives a fuck about some bhooka-nanga country sermonising, that was what we were in the past.

 

[sameer]

Aligning with Burgers will lead to caste and language maxxxxing, your religion will go and with it the country's unity.

Not just that but include low TFR's, militant feminism( look up the 4B movement), lgtv femboy promotion and all other kinds of woke degeneracy which honestly at our current income/development level can't be handled.

The current model is best imo, keep Amerishart at a distance but don't do panga with him, as the years pass and the 10 foot china man gets additional feet in height, the more this arrangement suits us since the Amerimutts will be on the backfoot.

Rest agree with what you have said especially the last line, nobody gives a fuck about some bhooka-nanga country sermonising, that was what we were in the past.

That's a good way to put it. I think there are historical parallels with this as well. China played a very similar role during the cold war.

 

[shade2]

Not just that but include low TFR's, militant feminism( look up the 4B movement), lgtv femboy promotion and all other kinds of woke degeneracy which honestly at our current income/development level can't be handled.



That's a good way to put it. I think there are historical parallels with this as well. China played a very similar role during the cold war.

Cheenq had to pass a test through fire though, viz the Tianamen Square regime change protest which ended not-as-planned and in a massacre.

However Cheenq was beloved of the world corporates so they lobbied US to remove the sanctions on them, since then US has avoided ungli, and Cheenq has kept his head down.
Till the current era that is

 

[Azaad]

Aligning with Burgers will lead to caste and language maxxxxing, your religion will go and with it the country's unity.
The current model is best imo, keep Amerishart at a distance but don't do panga with him, as the years pass and the 10 foot china man gets additional feet in height, the more this arrangement suits us since the Amerimutts will be on the backfoot.

Rest agree with what you have said especially the last line, nobody gives a fuck about some bhooka-nanga country sermonising, that was what we were in the past.

People tend to see issues & events within a very narrow spectrum of time . China for all its power is politically very fragile . Throughout history they've been victims as much to external aggression as to internal disturbances both of which has led to epochal historical changes brought about thru catastrophes right from the Xiongnu invasions in 2nd century BCE to the An Lushan rebellion which eventually brought down the Tang Dynasty to the Mongol invasions to the Taiping Rebellion among others which brought down the Qing Dynasty . These are but some of the many external & internal challenges China's faced throughout its history. There's no reason to believe it won't hold true for the future.

As far as the US goes historians a century from now will look on the period between 1989 - 2022 when the US had absolute hegemony over the world & blew up their chances. Had they been more sagacious in wielding their power Pax Americana would've continued for another century if not more .

To make matters worse they ended up building a peer sized rival unprecedented in the recorded history of mankind . To think , with all their think thanks & world class academies they couldn't fathom one of the principle & most fundamental axioms ever which is - never ever help build up your rival .

They did it twice with Japan once in the pre war years & the second occasion when they helped finance Japan's post war revival where Japan's industrial prowess went on to challenge that of the US forcing the latter to browbeat the former & other allies into the Plaza Accord which in turn led to internal contradictions within the Japanese economy surfacing leading to decades long deflation . They repeated this with China .

As far as India goes we need to balance out both - economic growth as well as meeting the aspirations of our people some of which is downright anti common sensical while also preserving our culture religion etc . We aren't doing much on the latter front though while our record on the first set of indicators is erratic & patchy. But as they say - India will confound it's most bitter pessimists & effusive optimists . It's more thru default not so much by design.

 

[hurrians]

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“The question is: Why announce the agreement now?” Kugelman said. “The BRICS summit looms large here.”


The deal’s agreement before the BRICS summit began on Tuesday gives India “the diplomatic space to have a meeting between Modi and Xi on the sidelines of the summit,” the analyst said. “Politically, it is easier for New Delhi to agree to that type of encounter given that there is a border agreement.”


Joshi, of the Observer Research Foundation and author of Understanding the India–China Border, said pressure from the Indian business community played a role in reaching the border deal.

How India and China pulled back from a border war — and why now

The agreement allows the resumption of patrols along the disputed border in the Ladakh region.

www.aljazeera.com

 

[shade2]

Joshi, of the Observer Research Foundation and author of Understanding the India–China Border, said pressure from the Indian business community played a role in reaching the border deal.

How India and China pulled back from a border war — and why now

The agreement allows the resumption of patrols along the disputed border in the Ladakh region.

www.aljazeera.com

Fucking dhandhos
But then again it's from Al-Jizzeera

 

[crazywithmath]

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“The question is: Why announce the agreement now?” Kugelman said. “The BRICS summit looms large here.”


The deal’s agreement before the BRICS summit began on Tuesday gives India “the diplomatic space to have a meeting between Modi and Xi on the sidelines of the summit,” the analyst said. “Politically, it is easier for New Delhi to agree to that type of encounter given that there is a border agreement.”


Joshi, of the Observer Research Foundation and author of Understanding the India–China Border, said pressure from the Indian business community played a role in reaching the border deal.

How India and China pulled back from a border war — and why now

The agreement allows the resumption of patrols along the disputed border in the Ladakh region.

www.aljazeera.com

Jaljira quoting joker Kuggu, lmao. Proper clown to clown conversation. In reality, nobody really has a clue - the incumbents maintain tight control over their internal decision making.

 

[Screambowl]

The question is: Why announce the agreement now?” Kugelman said. “The BRICS summit looms large here.”

Indians have taken panga with shanada and harmenica , so I guess it is only messaging. And obviously Russians will do anything to resolve the border dispute between Ind and Shin, it solves their purpose.

 

[Screambowl]

Problem is different this time. They have created road networks & military infra very close to borders now. Our reaction time has to be too fast.

Can't do anything about it, there will be areas which India lose, and there will be areas which Chinese lose, in case skirmish takes place.

 

[shade2]

PM, Xi To Hold Bilateral Meet At BRICS, Days After Border Breakthrough

Prime Minister Narendra Modi will hold a bilateral meet with Chinese President Xi Jinping on the sidelines of the BRICS summit in Russia on Tuesday, Foreign Secretary Vikram Misri has said.

www.ndtv.com

Hope there's no metaphorical Nariyal Paani chutiyapa again.