LCA TEJAS MK-I & MK-IA: News and Discussion

[vampyrbladez]

After Rajnath Singh flags Tejas engine delay with US, GE comes up with new delivery schedule

“GE has given a new schedule…They will start the delivery of engines from November,” a high-ranking source told ThePrint. Sources further said GE has promised them two engines per month.

https://theprint.in/defence/after-r...-comes-up-with-new-delivery-schedule/2264403/

 

[E-195]

View: https://x.com/AdithyaKM_/status/1834218455639490635

interesting news

 

[E-195]

RVs included the ramp which you haven't considered. That explains the discrepancy in the dimensions.

https://www.af.mil/About-Us/Fact-Sheets/Display/Article/1555054/c-130-hercules/

Does it count in stowage ? I've no clue.

I personally would like to see the C-390 in Indian colours apart from future projects with EMBRAER in a JV followed by a merger with Mahindra if possible or at least that should be our goal if we're serious about developing our civilian airliners . I'm not sure if all this is possible or even part of it is . Let's hope for the best though.

New Delhi, India – A delegation of Embraer executives is concluding a visit to India, which was undertaken with the objective of evaluating the possibility of expanding its supply chain in the country. Embraer is evaluating potential suppliers in its defense, commercial aviation and executive aviation businesses in areas such as aerostructures, machining, forging and casting, metal forming, composites, wiring, hardware and software development. The visit is part of the deepening of relations between Brazil and India.

“India has a robust aviation and defense industry and we see great possibilities for Indian manufacturers and systems developers to become suppliers to Embraer,” said Roberto Chaves, Embraer’s Executive Vice President of Global Purchasing and Supply. “We share a common vision of elevating the aeronautical capabilities of Brazil and India to higher levels and, thus, adding value to our customers worldwide.”

India is a strategic market for Embraer in all its business segments. Embraer’s presence in the country exceeds 44 aircraft and includes customers from Commercial Aviation, Executive Aviation, and Defense & Security. In addition, the Indian government and the Indian Air Force operate, respectively, a fleet of five Embraer VIP jets and three EMB 145 AEW “Netra” military aircraft.

A key future opportunity for Embraer in India is the competition in the Indian Air Force’s Medium Transport Aircraft (MTA) Program, where Embraer is well-positioned to offer the C-390 Millennium, the best and most modern transport aircraft in its class, in partnership with Mahindra, a respected player in the industry. The two companies announced a partnership in February 2024.

Embraer sees India as a key partner in the region and expects to implement an extensive local supply chain program in partnership with Mahindra. The initiative may include a C-390 production line in India, once the aircraft is selected under the MTA Program. Combined with a long-term local support program offering, Embraer and Mahindra aim to meet the expectations of the Indian government’s “Make in India” initiative.

Embraer busca desenvolver cadeia de suprimentos na Índia - DefesaNet

Nova Delhi, Índia – Uma delegação de executivos da Embraer está concluindo uma visita à Índia, realizada com o objetivo de avaliar a possibilidade de expansão da sua cadeia de suprimentos no país. A Embraer avalia potenciais fornecedores em seus negócios de defesa, aviação comercial e aviação...

www.defesanet.com.br

 

[sathya]

RVs included the ramp which you haven't considered. That explains the discrepancy in the dimensions.

https://www.af.mil/About-Us/Fact-Sheets/Display/Article/1555054/c-130-hercules/

Does it count in stowage ? I've no clue.

I personally would like to see the C-390 in Indian colours apart from future projects with EMBRAER in a JV followed by a merger with Mahindra if possible or at least that should be our goal if we're serious about developing our civilian airliners . I'm not sure if all this is possible or even part of it is . Let's hope for the best though.

Dimensions of Emb C390 width and height are higher C130j, even if the volume is tad low.

What I don't know the sizes of indian vehicles which ll need transportation, whether all will fit both or C390 fits more.

 

[Spitfire IX]

IDRW today suggests that Egypt is seriously considering procuring Mk1A. I don't think that is likely.

Reports indicate that Egypt will become the second export operator of China's J-10C "Vigorous Dragon" fighter.Although there is no official confirmation yet, on August 19 the Egyptian Ministry of Defense apparently placed its first order for J-10C fighters, although the exact number of units is unknown.

Cairo's interest in the J-10C (and also in the J-31 fifth-generation fighter) had already been reported in July. The J-10C is attractive to Egypt because it is a modern 4++ generation multirole fighter, with a relatively low cost, capable of performing most of the missions currently carried out by the Egyptian Air Force with its F-16s, which it is intended to replace. The Chinese offer apparently outpaced the U.S. proposal to modernize part of Egypt's sprawling F-16 fleet (more than 200 aircraft) to the Viper standard.

Egipto se habría convertido el nuevo usuario del caza chino J-10C, marcando un punto de inflexión en su política de Defensa

Varios reportes indican que Egipto se convertirá en el segundo operador de exportación del caza chino J-10C “Vigorous Dragon”. Aunque aún no hay confirma

aviacionline.com

 

[SKC]

IDRW today suggests that Egypt is seriously considering procuring Mk1A. I don't think that is likely.

Egipto se habría convertido el nuevo usuario del caza chino J-10C, marcando un punto de inflexión en su política de Defensa

Varios reportes indican que Egipto se convertirá en el segundo operador de exportación del caza chino J-10C “Vigorous Dragon”. Aunque aún no hay confirma

aviacionline.com

Ever since the project inception, countries around the world have been "INTERESTED" in Tejas.

Last I heard we received enquiries from Mars, Jupiter and few planets from Bettleguise start system.​

 

[Spitfire IX]

Ever since the project inception, countries around the world are "INTERESTED" in Tejas.

Last I heard we received enquiries from Mars, Jupiter and few planets from Bettleguise start system.​

Got one from Earth as well- Brazil. If cards are played the right way, could turn into an order.

How good is India at negotiating these things? Can it do anything quickly where procurement is concerned if speed is of the essence? I think of M2K production in India, C-17 procurement... To me, the key is to decide if C-390 would suit IAF's needs. If yes, MTA can be scrapped and a govt-govt deal be done.

Leave it too long and Brazilian Air Force may choose to buy used F-16. and then the chance of an Mk1A sale to Brazil will be gone forever.

 

[SKC]

Got one from Earth as well- Brazil. If cards are played the right way, could turn into an order.

How good is India at negotiating these things? Can it do anything quickly where procurement is concerned if speed is of the essence? I think of M2K production in India, C-17 procurement... To me, the key is to decide if C-390 would suit IAF's needs. If yes, MTA can be scrapped and a govt-govt deal be done.

Leave it too long and Brazilian Air Force may choose to buy used F-16. and then the chance of an Mk1A sale to Brazil will be gone forever.

We don't have any experience is selling anything of such sort around the world yet.

Best we did is Sales to Armenia and to Philippines.

Our HAL Dhruv sales to Peru were disaster and I don't see us doing any good in Brazil, Egypt, etc against American and European Giants.​

 

[silentassassin265]

Got one from Earth as well- Brazil. If cards are played the right way, could turn into an order.

How good is India at negotiating these things? Can it do anything quickly where procurement is concerned if speed is of the essence? I think of M2K production in India, C-17 procurement... To me, the key is to decide if C-390 would suit IAF's needs. If yes, MTA can be scrapped and a govt-govt deal be done.

Leave it too long and Brazilian Air Force may choose to buy used F-16. and then the chance of an Mk1A sale to Brazil will be gone forever.

Without our own engine we can hardly call it indigenous product as we have to take approval from burgericans everytime we have to export it.

 

[haldilal]

 

[Spitfire IX]

We don't have any experience is selling anything of such sort around the world yet.

Best we did is Sales to Armenia and to Philippines.

Our HAL Dhruv sales to Peru were disaster and I don't see us doing any good in Brazil, Egypt, etc against American and European Giants.​

You say that you have no experience of selling fighters (I imagine that is what you mean) but India has tried selling Tejas to a number of countries. If what you are saying is that HAL marketing and salesmanship is below par, how about getting some people in who know what they are doing? If there are incompetents at HAL, let them go and be incompetent in another company.

Without our own engine we can hardly call it indigenous product as we have to take approval from burgericans everytime we have to export it.

Yes, you haven't got your own engine. You chose not to take the route to get one - good investment, good and accountable project management, hard work by all involved, so why bring America into it? Gripen is exported with a GE engine. FA-50 is exported with a GE engine. Mk1A could be exported with a GE engine. Not having your own engine does not stop your fighter being exported.

Don't want to sound harsh but if you don't like relying on the US for engines, make an effort and finish making one yourselves. It sounds like Kaveri is sufficiently advanced for that to be doable in a small number of years..

 

[Satish Sharma Ji]

Don't want to sound harsh but if you don't like relying on the US for engines, make an effort and finish making one yourselves. It sounds like Kaveri is sufficiently advanced for that to be doable in a small number of years..

Work in progress.

 

[Satish Sharma Ji]

We don't have any experience is selling anything of such sort around the world yet.

Best we did is Sales to Armenia and to Philippines.

Our HAL Dhruv sales to Peru were disaster and I don't see us doing any good in Brazil, Egypt, etc against American and European Giants.​

Not Peru it's equador Peru got civilian which are serving well. In case of equador we didn't gave them spares. I think it was because of poor contract making. They had no spares to operate they still operated and got dhruv crashed many times. They were saying hal is not providing spares while hal said pay for it. And I think they wanted it for free. Or they wanted it with contract Without increase in cost however this did not happen no spares where delivered. So they were operating with the components which ran out of life. many lives were lost.

I don't understand why where this helicopter exported to Turkey,Israel for civilian purpose hardly 1-2 were sold.
Anyways hope they learned from the mistakes (which they don't)

 

[Blademaster]

You say that you have no experience of selling fighters (I imagine that is what you mean) but India has tried selling Tejas to a number of countries. If what you are saying is that HAL marketing and salesmanship is below par, how about getting some people in who know what they are doing? If there are incompetents at HAL, let them go and be incompetent in another company.


Yes, you haven't got your own engine. You chose not to take the route to get one - good investment, good and accountable project management, hard work by all involved, so why bring America into it? Gripen is exported with a GE engine. FA-50 is exported with a GE engine. Mk1A could be exported with a GE engine. Not having your own engine does not stop your fighter being exported.

Don't want to sound harsh but if you don't like relying on the US for engines, make an effort and finish making one yourselves. It sounds like Kaveri is sufficiently advanced for that to be doable in a small number of years..

I agree and we need to light a fire under the asses of MoD, IAF, ADA, GRTE, and HAL to get the Kaveri program to completion.

 

[BON PLAN]

a fighter jet can not be a stable design

Explain that to Mirage III, Phantom, F104, Mig15, Sabre etc... designers.

Stop your bullshit.

 

[Vishnugupt]

Explain that to Mirage III, Phantom, F104, Mig15, Sabre etc... designers.

Stop your bullshit.

If you can read, I have mentioned earlier that beyond 2nd generation jets, most of fighter jets are unstable design.

You are a certified dumb who claimed Mig-29 a unstable design. Learn some mathematics dumb

 

[Satish Sharma Ji]

Is it not ?

Yes it is not

 

[BON PLAN]

Even initial Mig-29 can sustain inverted flight, This is a sign of unstable design

Mirage III can sustain inverted flight. It is a stable design.
THAT PROVE NOTHING.

 

[BON PLAN]

You can have a degree of instability but a fighter jet can not be a stable design. Period.

F15 is a stable fighter. And one of the best even those days.

 

[BON PLAN]

View: https://x.com/idrwalerts/status/1834208220681830430

Why not,
But why ordering a F404 powered jet when you already have a F414 one (ie not in a very different league).
Better ask SAAB to create a low end Gripen E, with a weaker but more affordable weapon system, and a derated engine for more durability.