LCA TEJAS MK-I & MK-IA: News and Discussion

[silentassassin265]

At the time of choosing F404 to power the development aircraft, it was a reasonable choice to me. Because Kaveri failed to materialise, Tejas had to carry on with it. I guess that engines for Mk1 were delivered as scheduled so what indications were there in 2021 that the engines for Mk1A would be late? I imagine that the effects of Covid-19 on the supply chain were not good for any engine builder. Supply chain disruption due to Russia invading Ukraine then followed.

Who knows what would have happened if EJ200 had been chosen instead of F404 (if it was suitable for Tejas). Would Eurojet have also been late in delivering?

<Redacted> don't even have the capacity to manufacture and deliver 200 engines on time, same with France.
It would not have made much of a difference but we could've gotten at least 2 to 3 engines per year till now and upto 10 engines once the supply chain issue was solved.

Burgericans on the other hand has declared unofficial sanction as we got 0 engines in two years

 

[Spitfire IX]

don't even have the capacity to manufacture and deliver 200 engines on time, same with France.
It would not have made much of a difference but we could've gotten at least 2 to 3 engines per year till now and upto 10 engines once the supply chain issue was solved.

Burgericans on the other hand has declared unofficial sanction as we got 0 engines in two years

Would you like me to descend to your level? I won't, Don't call me a euroc*nt.

 

[silentassassin265]

Would you like me to descend to your level? I won't, Don't call me a euroc*nt.

Sorry I didn't know foreigners were present in the forum

 

[Spitfire IX]

Sorry I didn't know foreigners were present in the forum

Thanks for the apology .For myself, I will try to avoid using derogatory terms for Indians. Not hard for me - I don't know any.

 

[Blood+]

don't even have the capacity to manufacture and deliver 200 engines on time, same with France.
It would not have made much of a difference but we could've gotten at least 2 to 3 engines per year till now and upto 10 engines once the supply chain issue was solved.

Burgericans on the other hand has declared unofficial sanction as we got 0 engines in two years

Too far, my guy... too far.

 

[Hari Sud]

Somebody please educate us on the jet engine hot core technology issue. That is the issue which is dogging the Kaveri engine. Can any of the tech obtained from GE engine collaboration useful.

The Government of India should downgrade work on Kaveri and stop listening to sweet talk of DRDO.

Fire all the people working on Kaveri engine and then start afresh.

 

[Spitfire IX]

Somebody please educate us on the jet engine hot core technology issue. That is the issue which is dogging the Kaveri engine. Can any of the tech obtained from GE engine collaboration useful.

The Government of India should downgrade work on Kaveri and stop listening to sweet talk of DRDO.

Fire all the people working on Kaveri engine and then start afresh.

To be fair, a new jet engine costs billions of dollars to develop - and that if you already know how to develop jet engines when you start on developing a new one. How much funding did GOI put into GTRE over the decades it was trying to develop Kaveri? I am not saying that GTRE and others involved did everything as well as could be done but I suspect that it was near impossible to develop the engine with the funding provided

 

[username unkown]

Somebody please educate us on the jet engine hot core technology issue. That is the issue which is dogging the Kaveri engine. Can any of the tech obtained from GE engine collaboration useful.

The Government of India should downgrade work on Kaveri and stop listening to sweet talk of DRDO.

Fire all the people working on Kaveri engine and then start afresh.

Fire all of your workforce who actually know to work on jet engine and start new hmmm seems good

 

[Hari Sud]

To be fair, a new jet engine costs billions of dollars to develop - and that if you already know how to develop jet engines when you start on developing a new one. How much funding did GOI put into GTRE over the decades it was trying to develop Kaveri? I am not saying that GTRE and others involved did everything as well as could be done but I suspect that it was near impossible to develop the engine with the funding provided

Funding is immaterial if project management is efficient or personnel are not working retirement on this job whether the project completed it not.

That indiscipline can only be dealt with when you start a fresh under new management
(Preferably private sector) and greater discipline. They begin where the previous team left. Ask for help from others and pay for it.

Cheers

 

[Blademaster]

Somebody please educate us on the jet engine hot core technology issue. That is the issue which is dogging the Kaveri engine. Can any of the tech obtained from GE engine collaboration useful.

The Government of India should downgrade work on Kaveri and stop listening to sweet talk of DRDO.

Fire all the people working on Kaveri engine and then start afresh.

No!!!! Keep raising bonuses to those who keep working to grt it right and give them what they have been asking all along without delay instead of being penny pinching and constantly renegotiating the terms that you has agreed to prior.

 

[Patriots]

View: https://x.com/Indrani1_Roy/status/1839366076003655753

 

[Satish Sharma Ji]

Indian import air force straight away denied lsp Tejas to gtre, how will gtre do testing of kaveri then. This mc bigots mkc in genrols ki..

View: https://www.youtube.com/live/wASWL01zxaI?feature=shared

 

[MasterChief]

Meanwhile Rajaji trolling the grass eaters


View: https://x.com/ndtv/status/1840412427634008447?t=gkqjsD4mn1BfK8Rx7qE3-A&s=19

Meanwhile Pakistan to Rajnath

 

[ArjunMK1A]

Meanwhile Rajaji trolling the grass eaters


View: https://x.com/ndtv/status/1840412427634008447?t=gkqjsD4mn1BfK8Rx7qE3-A&s=19

Meanwhile Pakistan to Rajnath

Rajnath ji. Need that money for PLI.

Don't throw the money for PLI for terrorism.

 

[MasterChief]

Meanwhile Rajaji trolling the grass eaters


View: https://x.com/ndtv/status/1840412427634008447?t=gkqjsD4mn1BfK8Rx7qE3-A&s=19

Meanwhile Pakistan to Rajnath

Sorry wrong thread.. please move to failed porkistan thread

 

[shade2]

Bhai engine nahin, udee ga kaha se

We are back to lobby era..... either su mki will ordered more or new jets will come.

Must be investigated who chutiaaa banda selected GE engine. May be its a plan to end our fighter program.

This seems to be a pervasive issue, the guys who design the stuff seem to be in love with engines that come from unreliable supplier goras.

There's the GE marine gas turbine used in the warships, GE F404 used in Tejas, some Cummins engine( US ) used because Germoney was doing drama over the earlier selected MTU engine.

We used to have a reliable supplier in the past, why weren't they chosen?



Is their engine quality that bad? like the pigs made Junk Fighter 17 on the basis of the same Rooskie engine used in Mig-29

 

[SlayingHell]

This seems to be a pervasive issue, the guys who design the stuff seem to be in love with engines that come from unreliable supplier goras.

There's the GE marine gas turbine used in the warships, GE F404 used in Tejas, some Cummins engine( US ) used because Germoney was doing drama over the earlier selected MTU engine.

We used to have a reliable supplier in the past, why weren't they chosen?

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Is their engine quality that bad? like the pigs made Junk Fighter 17 on the basis of the same Rooskie engine used in Mig-29

It must be IAF Galactic genrols that asked for Amreek Engines. If reliability is the issue, the why are their Su-30 "Muh Backbone" MKI working on? The Reliability thing can be thrown aside and the AL-31F could had been used on AMCA, while some Naval or TEDBF itself could have been designed around F414, ensuring diversification of Engines. But don't know which genius idea is it to make all platforms on Amreek engine only?

They are very strange. On one had they cite Muh No Amreek Jets and on other hand shoot themselves in foot with their Engines.

 

[Anants]

LCA when was envisaged it was envisaged with cutting edge technologies of that era in the mind: quadraplex FBW,FAEDAC based high tw ratio lighter turbofan engine, carbon composites based structure. Soviet had none or did not share them. They themselves had not perfected technologies.

Reason why India was keen on such technologies was Pak was mulling to get F16s which were cutting edge fighters of that time. India purchased almost every fighter which it thought were supposedly counter to F16 - mig 23, mig 29 and even Mirage 2000.

all had certain degree counter capability but in terms of technology none of them matched F16. Thats where LCA specifications come to mind.

How Kaveris specification were drawn- GTRE did overstep its capabilities, A engine class of F414 but smaller in dimensions which also aimed to incorporate variable cycle in it's design while on a budget which barely produced modern gasoline engine(sarcasm).

Kaveri Team has learnt lessons/learnings - important is to capitalize on them and ask them to rebuild AL31F but with better materials and use the engines for AMCA, meanwhile also researching on better AL31F. kaveri should be tested on dedicated FTB. Govt must purchase a second hand il76 and get it modified inhouse.. You cannot use an airline plane because of low wing. You need high wing aircraft.

 

[Spitfire IX]

I do not understand why GE is being questioned as an engine supplier. GE F404 was chosen by several countries to power their aircraft - India, Sweden, ROK ,Turkiye.

If you happen to be a US hater, that may make Russian engines more attractive to you. That may be your view but it was not the view of several countries that evaluated which engine to use in their aircraft.

 

[Anants]

I do not understand why GE is being questioned as an engine supplier. GE F404 was chosen by several countries to power their aircraft - India, Sweden, ROK ,Turkiye.

If you happen to be a US hater, that may make Russian engines more attractive to you. That may be your view but it was not the view of several countries that evaluated which engine to use in their aircraft.

Its not hate. But its about sticking to bird in hand rather than wishing cajoling crying for birds in burger land