LCA TEJAS MK-I & MK-IA: News and Discussion

[Asmodeus]

look tejas mark 1a 83 aircraft is going to deliver near 2030 (coz its 1-2 year late from its delivery timeline of 2029). so if we make deal of additional 97 tejas mark 1a, they will going to start delivering only after 2030-31.

that 2029 can be shortnened to 2027 with 32jets/year(4 assembly lines) if 97 more are ordered, economics of scale kinda thing.
anything below 28-29 sqauds is red alert. open invitation to things like pathankot.
2 sqads of 5th gen? we don't have that kind of money, should never happen, will cost you more than arm and a leg + compromises everything from strats to maps to comms to fututre jets(cannot trust anyone other than India)

 

[ArjunMK1A]

I read HAL's max is delivering 42 Mig-21 Bis in a single year (forgot which)

MIG 21 at peak is 874 Unit for IAF. So HAL can deliver 42 aircraft per year. The production line ran for 15-20 years.

Now for 83 Tejas MK1A. HAL at present go for 8 per year meaning 10 years to deliver 83 planes. If we order extra 97. Then 83+97 = 180 aircraft.

Now 18-20 aircraft per year can be done.

Remember at the end of day HAL needs to run the production at its optimum level. If they overcooked, then they will run out of jets to produce. This will result in idle workers, idle suppliers. Similar to the Submarine line, MDL got the extension of 3 subs retaining the supply base and skilled workers.

Question is end of day, If IAF or MOD gave an plan of procurement for next decade, then HAL can overdeliver. Otherwise there is problem.

For that Tejas MK2, AMCA prototype should come out in proper timeline with min delay.

 

[Gandaberunda]

look tejas mark 1a 83 aircraft is going to deliver near 2030 (coz its 1-2 year late from its delivery timeline of 2029). so if we make deal of additional 97 tejas mark 1a, they will going to start delivering only after 2030-31. if that time we make deal of delivering 24 tejas mark 1a per year....or even 30 aircraft per year. our production line will be busy untill 2033-34. so u can get tejas mark 2 only after 2033-34. i dont think u suggest 4.5 genration fighter (tejas mark 2) induction after 2040. coz 200+ tejas mark 2 will take 7-8 year to deliver.

tejas mark 1a nd tejas mark 2 will not that huge cost difference. if we look tejas mark 2 specs, its far better than tejas mark 1a. i mean near or below par rafale capabilities. i think deploying 150 tejas mark 2 in pakistan border is far better than 180 tejas mark 1a. we hv already 40+83=123 tejas mark 1 nd 1a , which is good number. beside this if we compare:-
1:- tejas mark 2 will hv MAWS.
2:- tejas mark 2 will hv 11 hardpoint. tejas mark 1a hv 8 hardpoint.
3:- tejas mark 2 will hv 6000 kg weapon payload. compaire to 4500 kg of tejas mark 1a.
4:- tejas mark 2 will hv infrared sensor.
5:- may be tejas mark 2 use GAN based uttam aesa radar.
6:- tejas mark 2 will hv better thrust to weight ratio engine.
7:- tejas mark 2 can carry more missiles like brahmos ng, BVR, rudram series, SAAW etc.

You think IAF doesn’t know the capabilities of MK1A and MK2 and what role they play in highly contested Airspace? IAF desperately need fighters and so they are going with repeat orders for MK1A knowing the present order will be completed beyond 2030. The fighters are inducted based on enemy strengths and MK1A in numbers is enough for Pakistan JF17s. If we are going to import 5th gen aircraft’s then MK1As will play crucial role in operating cost. We fight based on the doctrine and IAF needs Mig 21 replacement which is MK1A.
MK2 will replace Mirage/Jaguars and also will be work horse for IAF in future despite having 5th gen fighters. Both MK1A and MK2 will be inducted in numbers as front line jets.

 

[Gandaberunda]

People saying curtail MK1A orders and go for MK2 have no idea about engine deal not finalised yet for MK2. The 99 F414 engine deal is stuck (price negotiation) and MK1A engines got delayed by 2 years still GE will only deliver 8 this year and increase production to 20 next year. No matter how many production lines HAL open with no engines supply in numbers they can’t deliver aircraft’s.
HAL is pushing for private players assembly by offering manufacturing plant to private players to speed up MK2 production but biggest hindrance is American ENGINES supply.

 

[TopWatcher]

People saying curtail MK1A orders and go for MK2 have no idea about engine deal not finalised yet for MK2. The 99 F414 engine deal is stuck (price negotiation) and MK1A engines got delayed by 2 years still GE will only deliver 8 this year and increase production to 20 next year. No matter how many production lines HAL open with no engines supply in numbers they can’t deliver aircraft’s.
HAL is pushing for private players assembly by offering manufacturing plant to private players to speed up MK2 production but biggest hindrance is American ENGINES supply.

Unless we dont have our engine, we really cant make made in India aircrafts.

I dont know why we go to Americans, we can put strategic alliance with France or Russians (more reliable)

Its a sabotage.

 

[Asmodeus]

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[shade2]

People saying curtail MK1A orders and go for MK2 have no idea about engine deal not finalised yet for MK2. The 99 F414 engine deal is stuck (price negotiation) and MK1A engines got delayed by 2 years still GE will only deliver 8 this year and increase production to 20 next year. No matter how many production lines HAL open with no engines supply in numbers they can’t deliver aircraft’s.
HAL is pushing for private players assembly by offering manufacturing plant to private players to speed up MK2 production but biggest hindrance is American ENGINES supply.

Unless we dont have our engine, we really cant make made in India aircrafts.

I dont know why we go to Americans, we can put strategic alliance with France or Russians (more reliable)

Its a sabotage.

They will cancel Tejas Mk1a and Mk2 and bulk order that F16 rebrand LM is hawking since many years

Import Bahadurs happy
Dalal Patrakars happy
Dalal Babooze happy
Suit-Boot Specialists happy
Congress also happy because it's their master's product
Gobi somewhat happy because America will be off his back without any cooked up assassination scandals and sanctions threats

I am saying this because America has us by the balls anyway over the GE engines, If we were serious there would be already a program in place to mod atleast Mk2 to fit M88 or AL31FP/RD33 engines from France or Roos, since there isn't, I assume this is a fixed match to order F16

 

[Gandaberunda]

They will cancel Tejas Mk1a and Mk2 and bulk order that F16 rebrand LM is hawking since many years

Import Bahadurs happy
Dalal Patrakars happy
Dalal Babooze happy
Suit-Boot Specialists happy
Congress also happy because it's their master's product
Gobi somewhat happy because America will be off his back without any cooked up assassination scandals and sanctions threats

I am saying this because America has us by the balls anyway over the GE engines, If we were serious there would be already a program in place to mod atleast Mk2 to fit M88 or AL31FP/RD33 engines from France or Roos, since there isn't, I assume this is a fixed match to order F16

F16 is rejected long back itself IAF said it’s obsolete and agreed for Mk1A/MK2 because it’s 4.5 gen aircraft’s. Trump has us balls but we can pay him by importing F35s strykers apaches chinooks M777 P8i sea guardian drones MTA tender can go to C130J and also lowering tariffs on goods but won’t go for obsolete rebranded F21 which LM is pushing for with Tata.
Also we should have taken than snecma hot core offer and integrated with our Kaveri and built engines for MK1A production while trying to mature our own Kaveri hot core. If lunatic democrats come back after 4 years and our defence procurement are filled with American then we are royally fucked