Indian Air Force: News & Discussions

[randombully]

Not sure about that, jf17 is borderline 4th gen. RD33+No Fly by wire+Huge RCS+Heavy payload= EZ target for Astra mk2
ALso it has refueling issues when carrying load and manuvouring, that probe is removable (possibly because of excessive drag)

But can still be used as carrier for missile, because j10 because at most will carry 4 pl15, having an extra carrier is good if need arise.

 

[Spitfire IX]

IT HAS YET TO GET FOC!!!!???



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India does not want to buy a foreign aircraft where the supplier has exceptional control over its use, surely, whatever its operating capability?

 

[Bleh]

why are these niggas laughing bro i just asked a jainwin question

Because it comes in news every few weeks that "MRFA is almost happening"

 

[mist_consecutive]

They'll have to upgrade the radar ofcourse... But there orginal point still stands.

And after losing two aircraft with nothing to show for, it became pretty obvious that Indian Air Force was just making shit up to save face. Almost all the world now disbelieves them (other than patriotic Indians like you ofcourse). That leaves the Paki version, which although probably exaggerated aligns more with reality & everyone think they're telling the truth. That animated "radar map" didn't convince anyone in the world (other than patriotic Indians like you ofcourse).

Almost all the world -> NATO, who, ofcouse would never want to believe a Mig-21 can shoot down a F-16.
Its like China saying they only lost 4 soldiers in Galwan, and everybody believed them.

I do not hear any criticism for any other Air force for franticide, including recently USN shooting down their own F-18s.

Typical brown sepoy mentality. Everything India & Indian is bad and incompetent. Unless it is vetted and approved by gora masters it holds no value. Also all the mistakes and shortcomings of gora masters are automatically forgiven.

 

[Bleh]

Almost all the world -> NATO,

Literally. Everyone. Even Russians. (other than patriotic Indians like you ofcourse)

Shooting down unidentified jet on international waters & slow-moving helo 200km inside our border are not the same thing. Brown sepoy & brown shit has a difference! Almost whole PAF was in the air. They didn't shoot down any (although for a bit Indian story was that they did a blue-on-blue with the F-16 before they changed it & claimed Abhinandan did it).


We're a free citizen of free India. But I'm not so patriotic that'll GOI can shit in my mouth & I'll swallow... Plus my original point still stands.

 

[Binayak95]

Supposed to get it this year.
The long time taken has more to do with higher expectations of US military.
For example j20 got foc but still can only carry air to air load, it's only now chinese are making it multirole.

han bhai FOC nahi hai but Iran ki mkb kar sakti hai.


Matlab... kuch toh dimaag lagao bhai

 

[Binayak95]

They'll have to upgrade the radar ofcourse... But there orginal point still stands.

And after losing two aircraft with nothing to show for, it became pretty obvious that Indian Air Force was just making shit up to save face. Almost all the world now disbelieves them (other than patriotic Indians like you ofcourse). That leaves the Paki version, which although probably exaggerated aligns more with reality & everyone think they're telling the truth. That animated "radar map" didn't convince anyone in the world (other than patriotic Indians like you ofcourse).

ehhh, what?

 

[Bleh]

ehhh, what?

Nothing, we digressed. We were talking about how PAF support ensured they have 100s of Jeffs although it was less capable at induction but can be upgraded to Block3 standards atleast & I'll bet they'll get Block 4 before we get MWF.

 

[IndiaRising]

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[Ultraman]

Literally. Everyone. Even Russians. (other than patriotic Indians like you ofcourse)

Shooting down unidentified jet on international waters & slow-moving helo 200km inside our border are not the same thing. Brown sepoy & brown shit has a difference! Almost whole PAF was in the air. They didn't shoot down any (although for a bit Indian story was that they did a blue-on-blue with the F-16 before they changed it & claimed Abhinandan did it).


We're a free citizen of free India. But I'm not so patriotic that'll GOI can shit in my mouth & I'll swallow... Plus my original point still stands.

leave it .

govt should have posted satellite image of hostel strike next day . they can still do it ,

IAF needs a 2nd balakot to get back its credibility . something i doubt will happen in near future.

 

[Nutcracker]

If IAF is so eager with F35, should we just take Rafales from IAF , modify them and give those to Navy ?
IAF can have a bigger fleet of F35 in that way with capex saved in Rafale-M purchase.
I guess it shouldn't cost more than 1.2B$ to convert AF Rafale to Marine, ~35M each.
@BON PLAN what do you think about the commonalities between AF rafale and Marine rafale.

 

[trombone]

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this murican bird will come too crippled and too expensive as a stop gap measure till such time HAL delivers on its promises. better to look at a less expensive, less capable (read 4.5 gen) phonen birds temporarily.

 

[Ayan Barat]

Not much of a difference because unlike other planes with two variants it lacks a folding wing. So changes should be limited to things like different undercarriage, arresting hook, etc. One tiring part of a theoretical conversion would be adding salt-water corrosion prevention measures to every single exposed part; but then again just tiring, not complicated.

But the conversion won't be the biggest issue; this would be...

If IAF is so eager with F35, should we just take Rafales from IAF , modify them and give those to Navy ?

No matter what happens, they're not giving up their newish planes. Especially with the kind of rift services have among them.

 

[BON PLAN]

If IAF is so eager with F35, should we just take Rafales from IAF , modify them and give those to Navy ?
IAF can have a bigger fleet of F35 in that way with capex saved in Rafale-M purchase.
I guess it shouldn't cost more than 1.2B$ to convert AF Rafale to Marine, ~35M each.
@BON PLAN what do you think about the commonalities between AF rafale and Marine rafale.

It's not economically interesting and may be technically impossible to modify a air Rafale in carrier one.
If the C,B,M all share the rear part of the frame, the front is different between C & M. Not only a different undercaariage, but also a reinforced front frame.
Not to speak of dual seats, B, that don't exist in carrier version.

 

[AbRaj]

I am


Thank u for your service.

also,

>Didn't post hand

lets see those yellow fingers

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Although I like our Desi kitten more, this little nibbler kitty too is looking good.

Almost all the world -> NATO, who, ofcouse would never want to believe a Mig-21 can shoot down a F-16.
Its like China saying they only lost 4 soldiers in Galwan, and everybody believed them.

I do not hear any criticism for any other Air force for franticide, including recently USN shooting down their own F-18s.

Typical brown sepoy mentality. Everything India & Indian is bad and incompetent. Unless it is vetted and approved by gora masters it holds no value. Also all the mistakes and shortcomings of gora masters are automatically forgiven.

”Trust me Bro” ain’t gonna cut it , given you have a atrocious track record.
Trust me Vro- we killed 100s of terrorist and their madarasa
Trust me Vro- we shot enemy fighter jet
Trust me vro- we killed 500 of their soldiers in the Himalayas in retaliation

This is the organisation that has put pieces of its own downed plane at the fron of cantonment , claiming it as enemie’s. It’s height of shamelessness and unprofessionalism

 

[AbRaj]

this murican bird will come too crippled and too expensive as a stop gap measure till such time HAL delivers on its promises. better to look at a less expensive, less capable (read 4.5 gen) phonen birds temporarily.

Against fifth gen fighter ? That to in large numbers like in China (and Pakistan possibly)?
It will be a shooting contest for FGFA.
And that too when those Europium 4th gen fighters are costlier than F35 overall. Better bet is to trust the God almighty and focus of developing comprehensive Air defence system and overpowering missile attack capability.

 

[Binayak95]

this murican bird will come too crippled and too expensive as a stop gap measure till such time HAL delivers on its promises. better to look at a less expensive, less capable (read 4.5 gen) phonen birds temporarily.

Too expensive. New Build F35s are cheaper than new build Su30MKIs.

Let that sink in. HAL maxxed out its line at 18 birds a year. LM Fort Worth will deliver 189 F35s this year. Economies of scale are altogether another ballgame.

HAL is useless at maximizing economics.

 

[AbRaj]

Not much of a difference because unlike other planes with two variants it lacks a folding wing. So changes should be limited to things like different undercarriage, arresting hook, etc. One tiring part of a theoretical conversion would be adding salt-water corrosion prevention measures to every single exposed part; but then again just tiring, not complicated.

But the conversion won't be the biggest issue; this would be...

No matter what happens, they're not giving up their newish planes. Especially with the kind of rift services have among them.

Both are essentially different planes altogether. Only someone like Nutcracker could think like that.

 

[AbRaj]

Too expensive. New Build F35s are cheaper than new build Su30MKIs.

Let that sink in. HAL maxxed out its line at 18 birds a year. LM Fort Worth will deliver 189 F35s this year. Economies of scale are altogether another ballgame.

HAL is useless at maximizing economics.

They are talking about Rafale M mainly which is pretty expensive machine both to procure and maintain due to economic of scale (rather lack of it) and Froggs insistence of local manufacturing (that is prohibitively expensive for mass market product). Also it’s going to have way less development potential than something like F35 with huge MIC and customer base to back it up.

 

[Ayan Barat]

Both are essentially different planes altogether. Only someone like Nutcracker could think like that.

Turns out not just me and Nutcracker, but Janes too agrees on the commonality...interesting