AMCA - Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (30 Viewers)

[Corvus Splendens]

But America will create supply chain issue for Tejas and AMCA project in retaliation.

Which in turn will only result in the redesigning of the Tejas Mk2 to fly with an AL-41. Delay AMCA further, and possibly even scrap the MK1 medium design (in case the Safran-GTRE JV doesn't work out); opting for a larger heavier aircraft with twin AL-41s/derivatives. Americans enacting CAASTA only forces our hands and sours whatever good will was built up in the last 20 ish years. It'll delay our programs but Americans themselves will get a fat L in return.​

 

[liberalredditor]

As Bob lazar said, USA got UFOs at AREA-51 & S-4, helped by aliens.

They'll create this:

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BTW, i suspect that F-47 might look partially similar to this, minus the gravity engine ofcouse.

the wing tip looks like qaher 313, hence proved iranian supremacy, iranian dalals you were right

 

[shade2]

Jut went through this video


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4FJ25vNCug&t=1735s

If someone like Vishnu Som is sounding the alarm, it means we are in very serious trouble.

Losing our technical edge to Pakistan would severely compromise our national security, sovereignty, and territorial integrity.

The problem is further compounded by India’s inability to procure 5th-generation fighters from abroad. The US will not supply the F-35 until India abandons the S-400, and Russia’s production capacity is hampered due to the Ukraine war. Neither is in a position to provide India with fighters on an urgent basis.

Furthermore, Vishnu Som warns that the AMCA, expected in 2035, should meet the technical specifications of 2035, not 2025. In cricketing terms, achieving this is equivalent to a newcomer scoring a century on their debut.

Vishnu Som is an imported maal dalal, he is shilling for F-35.
Most of your name-brand defense patrakars do dalali.

Our only option is to push forth AMCA whatever happens but "today is not an era of war" govt isn't interested in it.

We will only wake up when the Chinese defeat us, just like 62, lets hope there aren't any terrorial losses.

 

[shade2]

Which in turn will only result in the redesigning of the Tejas Mk2 to fly with an AL-41. Delay AMCA further, and possibly even scrap the MK1 medium design (in case the Safran-GTRE JV doesn't work out); opting for a larger heavier aircraft with twin AL-41s/derivatives. Americans enacting CAASTA only forces our hands and sours whatever good will was built up in the last 20 ish years. It'll delay our programs but Americans themselves will get a fat L in return.​

Saar, what makes you so optimistic?
When Americans were doing drama over GE engines for Tejas they didn't have any contingencies, don't have any even now.

The baboons will only release funding for Mk2 MWF when GEF414 deal is complete.

 

[angryindian]

Vishnu Som is an imported maal dalal, he is shilling for F-35.
Most of your name-brand defense patrakars do dalali.

Our only option is to push forth AMCA whatever happens but "today is not an era of war" govt isn't interested in it.

We will only wake up when the Chinese defeat us, just like 62, lets hope there aren't any terrorial losses.

He may be a import supporter but what he says is not some dystopian stuff.


And What do you mean by waking up from a defeat against China? Do you understand the implications of a military loss? In 1962, China almost reached the plains of Assam, and was only a few hundred kilometers from Bengal before turning back.

A military loss would not be an event from which India could simply recover the next day and resume normal life. It would lead not only to massive territorial losses but also to a collapse of the economy and political stability, a crisis that could take decades to overcome. Not to mention: China would likely establish a buffer zone within Indian territory not previously disputed, leaving India vulnerable to future incursions.
A weakened Indian military would fuel a surge in insurgencies and terrorist incidents across the country, exacerbating the crisis. Geopolitically, India would likely become irrelevant, with few willing to invest or do business in the nation. Aspirations like Made in India and India’s ambitions of global prominence would fade, as the country would be reduced to a state struggling for its survival.

 

[redpanda]

He may be a import supporter but what he says is not some dystopian stuff.


And What do you mean by waking up from a defeat against China? Do you understand the implications of a military loss? In 1962, China almost reached the plains of Assam, and was only a few hundred kilometers from Bengal before turning back.

A military loss would not be an event from which India could simply recover the next day and resume normal life. It would lead not only to massive territorial losses but also to a collapse of the economy and political stability, a crisis that could take decades to overcome. Not to mention: China would likely establish a buffer zone within Indian territory not previously disputed, leaving India vulnerable to future incursions.
A weakened Indian military would fuel a surge in insurgencies and terrorist incidents across the country, exacerbating the crisis. Geopolitically, India would likely become irrelevant, with few willing to invest or do business in the nation. Aspirations like Made in India and India’s ambitions of global prominence would fade, as the country would be reduced to a state struggling for its survival.

And imports would magically make us be able to fight against China? I don't think so. Because at best we can only get 2 Squadron of a foreign 5th gen jet. Importing those is very expensive affair. To fight china you need your own 5th gen jet which you can manufacture in large quantities...AMCA is the only option against China. And that is our only path towards even building a 6th gen jet which we can mass manufacture.

I very well know our babooz will do everything to sabatoge AMCA and I'm frustrated with that. But no amount of import is going to make us be able to make us strong enough to fight against China. Import bahuduri is what making us weak my friend. Chinese are there because they trusted their systems how shitty initial bunch of those might be..

 

[Corvus Splendens]

Saar, what makes you so optimistic?
When Americans were doing drama over GE engines for Tejas they didn't have any contingencies, don't have any even now.

Because it's an incredibly costly and time consuming endeavor. Something we'd rather not do at this stage of the various programs like Mk2 and AMCA. Keeping the cost aside, redesigning the birds to take Russian engines alone will delay the programs by another decade plus easily. Hence the JV with a French firm for a new engine without American stakes in it.

Which is why I said, it's a very drastic measure we'd take if our hands were truly forced. These delays don't warrant a meltdown on the scale I'm envisioning. Babus are trying their level best to deal with Americans, keeping the relationship amicable and reduce delays as much as possible. But with a country like USA, you never know what will happen 5-6 years down the line. And I'm quite confident, contingencies have been well planned, sketched out and shoved in a cabinet somewhere until we need them.​

 

[shade2]

He may be a import supporter but what he says is not some dystopian stuff.


And What do you mean by waking up from a defeat against China? Do you understand the implications of a military loss? In 1962, China almost reached the plains of Assam, and was only a few hundred kilometers from Bengal before turning back.

A military loss would not be an event from which India could simply recover the next day and resume normal life. It would lead not only to massive territorial losses but also to a collapse of the economy and political stability, a crisis that could take decades to overcome. Not to mention: China would likely establish a buffer zone within Indian territory not previously disputed, leaving India vulnerable to future incursions.
A weakened Indian military would fuel a surge in insurgencies and terrorist incidents across the country, exacerbating the crisis. Geopolitically, India would likely become irrelevant, with few willing to invest or do business in the nation. Aspirations like Made in India and India’s ambitions of global prominence would fade, as the country would be reduced to a state struggling for its survival.

Wake up as in the shock of defeat is the only thing that will get UN Import Generols to either fix their act or rejine, and more importantly for the Govt to open it's wallet whether it is for funding of domestic projects or imports of defence maal.

The current situation is UN Import Generols stalling the induction of deshi maal with moon and mars trials and bullshit or unobtainium feature demands in hope of imports being approved

OTOH the Govt is a chindi and will rarely approve imports because they want to save $$$.

They will also never fund indigenous defence projects on time or generously, expecting jet engines on shoe string budget just because ISRO makes rockets in a cave with a box of scraps.

In 1962 we lost, in 1965 we were on the outskirts of Lahore.

Rest of your post is 100% correct and is most likely to happen with current trends
You can't have a Good Ekanami without having solid defense and offense, either your own or your master's like America's many vassals.

 

[Brood Father]

And imports would magically make us be able to fight against China? I don't think so. Because at best we can only get 2 Squadron of a foreign 5th gen jet. Importing those is very expensive affair. To fight china you need your own 5th gen jet which you can manufacture in large quantities...AMCA is the only option against China. And that is our only path towards even building a 6th gen jet which we can mass manufacture.

I very well know our babooz will do everything to sabatoge AMCA and I'm frustrated with that. But no amount of import is going to make us be able to make us strong enough to fight against China. Import bahuduri is what making us weak my friend. Chinese are there because they trusted their systems how shitty initial bunch of those might be..

The problem is you are trying to analyze situation by fighting the battle at the battleground in which enemy wants you to fight
Like I said all this fifth Gen tech will go for a toss the day when better detection radars will come to market these clumsy fifth Gen will become obsolete at a pace we haven't seen

What India needs to focus is on layered Air defence and focus on bettering your radars
Moreover what we need to invest heavily on is unmanned techs , our manned platform should be able to vector non manned platform to enemy zone and cause destruction to infra

Until we are trapped on this Stop gap loop we will always play a catch-up games and it is a lose situation for us , we need to up the game and change the nature of battlefield but the problem I see is the inability of our think tank to be risk takers we won't be able to reach our potential..

 

[jaijaganath]

View: https://x.com/ShiroBarks/status/1936789460831883443

I dont think this will even get completed by 2040s

If creating mess was an art then India is picasso in it

U guys must watch the podcast of def sec, that guy was typical example of current state of bureaucracy arrogant egoistic and reluctant to learn. Was acting like some sort of great achievement he has done

Bc aukat nahi hai in mandbudhon ki ek artillery gun thik se procure karne ki par esa baat karte hai ki jese pure duniya pe raj karte hai