AMCA - Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft

[Ayan Barat]

> The missile needs to be closer to hinge otherwise the rotating momentum of the door will be higher, more effort will be required to open/close the door.

Ohh Naiyo Naiyo

Not exactly a door, but here's a similar rotating assembly (swing out missile arm) that was used on the Boeing X-32. Not just farther from the hinge but also with a full sized 2000lbs bomb...pretty much 5 times the weight of a BVRAAM

> Also, bcoz the missile has to be punched off, it will add rotating recoil to door.

Ohh Naiyo Naiyo

Four launchers that I've used are green and weirdly shaped as compared to the door ones. These are ejector launchers.
The launchers in the door are simple sliding rail launcher as used in wingtips of fighter. When closed, they're disabled (black) and enabled only when the door is opened to its maximum (yellow).

> Bcoz of these rotating turbulence, the FCS will have to be programmed to keep the plane stable. And sometimes the jet may have to launch while maneuvering, it'll further complicate the separtion.

Ohh Naiyo Naiyo

F-35s have been launching missiles from a similar door based launcher for decades now. None of whatever you told happens.

And if your counter argument is that these are advanced AMRAAM that can be simply shot out blindly using LOAL, no need to guidance, can compensate...then here's F-22 using is wired ahh trapeze launcher to shoot vanilla LOBL (that required some stabilization) since I don't know how many decades

> Another point is that to launch single weaon the entire bay door should not be opened or it'll momentarily increase RCS during launch. Hence all 5gen jets use bi-fold doors.

Ohh Naiyo Naiyo

When making extraordinary claims (like all 5th gen uses bi-fold doors) always try to back it up with some extraordinary evidence.
Here's YF-23 without bi-folding doors...just two huge doors that close one single large bay


In short

View: https://youtu.be/TKYI5UJTfVw?feature=shared

 

[Blademaster]

Ohh Naiyo Naiyo

Not exactly a door, but here's a similar rotating assembly (swing out missile arm) that was used on the Boeing X-32. Not just farther from the hinge but also with a full sized 2000lbs bomb...pretty much 5 times the weight of a BVRAAM
View attachment 16872

Ohh Naiyo Naiyo

Four launchers that I've used are green and weirdly shaped as compared to the door ones. These are ejector launchers.
The launchers in the door are simple sliding rail launcher as used in wingtips of fighter. When closed, they're disabled (black) and enabled only when the door is opened to its maximum (yellow).

Ohh Naiyo Naiyo

F-35s have been launching missiles from a similar door based launcher for decades now. None of whatever you told happens.
View attachment 16873
And if your counter argument is that these are advanced AMRAAM that can be simply shot out blindly using LOAL, no need to guidance, can compensate...then here's F-22 using is wired ahh trapeze launcher to shoot vanilla LOBL (that required some stabilization) since I don't know how many decades
View attachment 16874

Ohh Naiyo Naiyo

When making extraordinary claims (like all 5th gen uses bi-fold doors) always try to back it up with some extraordinary evidence.
Here's YF-23 without bi-folding doors...just two huge doors that close one single large bay
View attachment 16875

In short

View: https://youtu.be/TKYI5UJTfVw?feature=shared

Oh naiyo naiyo

Why do you have this compulsive need to be derisive with anyone who disagrees with you and took the time to make informative posts? If you can’t respond without snarky comments I m inclined to dismiss your posts without any second thoughts.

 

[Ayan Barat]

took the time to make informative posts

How many people are there on this forum that regularly goes up to the extent of using CAD and 1:1 scaling just to better clarify their simplest of points? Or digs up, with complete backing that HIMARS uses RLG as opposed to MEMS on Pinaka.
So please, don't go that route

Why do you have this compulsive need to be derisive with anyone who disagrees with you

And if you find it derisive then I don't know where exactly you're getting it misunderstood. Stop behaving like all of my sentences started with "you're an absolute idiot, you don't know nothing, I'm telling this so it's true, there's no proof because I'm telling it". I put my opinion, he countered it using his points and then I countered the points.
And if it's just the banter of "Ohh Naiyo Naiyo" that irked you so much then I'm really sorry for that but I don't think there was anything derogatory in saying "no"

 

[Blademaster]

How many people are there on this forum that regularly goes up to the extent of using CAD and 1:1 scaling just to better clarify their simplest of points? Or digs up, with complete backing that HIMARS uses RLG as opposed to MEMS on Pinaka.
So please, don't go that route

And if you find it derisive then I don't know where exactly you're getting it misunderstood. Stop behaving like all of my sentences started with "you're an absolute idiot, you don't know nothing, I'm telling this so it's true, there's no proof because I'm telling it". I put my opinion, he countered it using his points and then I countered the points.
And if it's just the banter of "Ohh Naiyo Naiyo" that irked you so much then I'm really sorry for that but I don't think there was anything derogatory in saying "no"

There was no need for you to gratitiously add that video or add that comment oh naiyo naiyo to your post. If you had not done that, I would have accept your post and like it.

 

[SwordOfDarkness]

How many people are there on this forum that regularly goes up to the extent of using CAD and 1:1 scaling just to better clarify their simplest of points? Or digs up, with complete backing that HIMARS uses RLG as opposed to MEMS on Pinaka.
So please, don't go that route

Your effort is not the thing being critiqued here, so dont see it that way.

I think you will also understand that there are better ways to put a point across. Its a positive critique.

 

[Anants]

Naah! I think Ayan puts in some humor in post. I rarely see him pulling legs of poster & the comic interjection are interwoven technical posts are fine. I doubt @Bhartiya Sainik would have minded his way of posting.

You should sit back and Savor discussion the most technical discussion with full of diagrams and examples from DFI's two most diligent posters who go at great lengths to explain things and concepts. Let them sort out between themselves - and we can learn more from both.

 

[Spitfire IX]

Just to keep all informed about what the competition is up to, Saudi Arabia may be joining the GCAP 6G project.

https://www.reuters.com/world/saudi-arabia-likely-join-gcap-jet-fighter-project-italy-says-2024-11-27/