AMCA - Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft

[Anants]

Overheard conversation between two birdies on current state of AMCA
# Engineers from Three letter listed company which is part of Four Letter Conglomerate are deployed on contract for detailed design / engineering

TASTATA

 

[Bhartiya Sainik]

TASTATA

What is TASTATA?

 

[Anants]

What is TASTATA?

Sandhi viched karo

 

[Bhartiya Sainik]

Overheard conversation between two birdies on current state of AMCA

# Detailed design of AMCA is almost complete
# Engineers from Three letter listed company which is part of Four Letter Conglomerate are deployed on contract for detailed design / engineering
# But Manufacturing drawings are very much overdue and all related tasks are on "Hold" as "Work-share" contract between ADA and HAL is pending and yet to be formalized

They released some CAD earlier, not very good resolution. They should give update on it.

 

[Azaad]

Overheard conversation between two birdies on current state of AMCA

# Detailed design of AMCA is almost complete
# Engineers from Three letter listed company which is part of Four Letter Conglomerate are deployed on contract for detailed design / engineering
# But Manufacturing drawings are very much overdue and all related tasks are on "Hold" as "Work-share" contract between ADA and HAL is pending and yet to be formalized

MoD will sit on the proposal & then IAF will go to town abusing HAL. That's how the story is supposed to pan out . I thought we saw these shenanigans during the UPA rule which is the reason the BJP was voted to power.

 

[Spitfire IX]

I notice various reports of countries being interested in buying the 5G- KF-21 (Philippines, Saudi Arabia), 5G KAAN (Azerbaijan, Pakistan. UAE) but no reports of any countries being interested in 5G AMCA. Why do no countries appear to be interested in AMCA? Is it simply because it is still being designed (at least the production version, I gather) and will not be available to export customers for a long, long time?

On another forum, talking about the report of US blocking a Gripen E sale to Colombia, one of their posters maintained that the GE F414 was an extremely advanced engine. I wonder if the US would allow India to export Tejas Mk2, AMCA Mk1.

I cannot guarantee factual accuracy but if I can get the poster's permission, I will post what he said about the F414 engine..

 

[Azaad]

I notice various reports of countries being interested in buying the 5G- KF-21 (Philippines, Saudi Arabia), 5G KAAN (Azerbaijan, Pakistan. UAE) but no reports of any countries being interested in 5G AMCA. Why do no countries appear to be interested in AMCA? Is it simply because it is still being designed (at least the production version, I gather) and will not be available to export customers for a long, long time?

Both of these prototypes are flying irrespective their claimed abilities. Ours is still on the drawing board. Countries tend to be more curious once they've something tangible to consider.

On another forum, talking about the report of US blocking a Gripen E sale to Colombia, one of their posters maintained that the GE F414 was an extremely advanced engine. I wonder if the US would allow India to export Tejas Mk2, AMCA Mk1.

I cannot guarantee factual accuracy but if I can get the poster's permission, I will post what he said about the F414 engine..

At the moment our concerns are restricted to getting those damn prototypes to fly & be certified , followed by quick production to meet our own needs. I can assure you any Indian on this forum or anywhere else thinking of exporting these Fighter Aircrafts as of today hasn't got his priorities right . They're putting the proverbial cart before the horse.

 

[Bhartiya Sainik]

I notice various reports of countries being interested in buying the 5G- KF-21 (Philippines, Saudi Arabia), 5G KAAN (Azerbaijan, Pakistan. UAE) but no reports of any countries being interested in 5G AMCA. Why do no countries appear to be interested in AMCA? Is it simply because it is still being designed (at least the production version, I gather) and will not be available to export customers for a long, long time?

On another forum, talking about the report of US blocking a Gripen E sale to Colombia, one of their posters maintained that the GE F414 was an extremely advanced engine. I wonder if the US would allow India to export Tejas Mk2, AMCA Mk1.

I cannot guarantee factual accuracy but if I can get the poster's permission, I will post what he said about the F414 engine..

S. Korea being Western ally is getting support for KF-21 by other Western friendly nations from cultural or business PoV.
Turkey being Islamic nation is getting support for Kaan by other Islamic nations.

We dont take sides in wars, prefer non-allignment.
We have diplomacy with many nations but we'll never have any ally, culturally or militarily, at least in this century, & having a nation potentially good in R&D &/or industrially trustworthy, for a 5gen jet's colaboration or purchase is tough to find currently. They all will also have to say NO to USA's F-35, Russia's Su-57, Su-75, China's J-31/35.
Now which S.American, African, Asian nations can do that?

 

[shade2]

Both of these prototypes are flying irrespective their claimed abilities. Ours is still on the drawing board. Countries tend to be more curious once they've something tangible to consider.

At the moment our concerns are restricted to getting those damn prototypes to fly & be certified , followed by quick production to meet our own needs. I can assure you any Indian on this forum or anywhere else thinking of exporting these Fighter Aircrafts as of today hasn't got his priorities right . They're putting the proverbial cart before the horse.

S. Korea being Western ally is getting support for KF-21 by other Western friendly nations from cultural or business PoV.
Turkey being Islamic nation is getting support for Kaan by other Islamic nations.

We dont take sides in wars, prefer non-allignment.
We have diplomacy with many nations but we'll never have any ally, culturally or militarily, at least in this century, & having a nation potentially good in R&D &/or industrially trustworthy, for a 5gen jet's colaboration or purchase is tough to find currently. They all will also have to say NO to USA's F-35, Russia's Su-57, Su-75, China's J-31/35.
Now which S.American, African, Asian nations can do that?

Ye sab arguments ko chod ke there's one more factor

Both countries want someone else to heft the development kharcha apart from themselves, so you can imagine lots of salesman-giri is done of the KAANa and KF-21

Koreans already "scored" Indonesia as a partner, but later they found out Indonesia isn't forking out the $$$ and stealing the tech so now looking for another partner.

Turkans now hovering around Saudiyaa, Malaysia is too middle class and Pakistan is kangaal af so...

It's basically the same scam Ruskals pulled on us with Su-57/FGFA

I mean it's not as if our Govt is some Ambani with wealth and Daan-veer Karan in terms of allocating generous budget but this is another element, we for now are not looking for some else to fund our 5th gen development

 

[Ultraman]

Overheard conversation between two birdies on current state of AMCA

# Detailed design of AMCA is almost complete
# Engineers from Three letter listed company which is part of Four Letter Conglomerate are deployed on contract for detailed design / engineering
# But Manufacturing drawings are very much overdue and all related tasks are on "Hold" as "Work-share" contract between ADA and HAL is pending and yet to be formalized

"# Detailed design of AMCA is almost complete"

remember reading that design was complete last year

 

[shade2]

"# Detailed design of AMCA is almost complete"

remember reading that design was complete last year

Doesn't matter, by the time AMCA takes first flight the Chings and Americans will have 7th gen AI fighter jet drones firing lasers.

As i've said in other threads, it's a science project, like Tejas or MWF doesn't have any real world takers.

 

[Azaad]

View: https://twitter.com/kishanchand_89/status/1893215383047295205?s=19

 

[Bhartiya Sainik]

Ye sab arguments ko chod ke there's one more factor

Both countries want someone else to heft the development kharcha apart from themselves, so you can imagine lots of salesman-giri is done of the KAANa and KF-21

Koreans already "scored" Indonesia as a partner, but later they found out Indonesia isn't forking out the $$$ and stealing the tech so now looking for another partner.

Turkans now hovering around Saudiyaa, Malaysia is too middle class and Pakistan is kangaal af so...

It's basically the same scam Ruskals pulled on us with Su-57/FGFA

I mean it's not as if our Govt is some Ambani with wealth and Daan-veer Karan in terms of allocating generous budget but this is another element, we for now are not looking for some else to fund our 5th gen development

IDK if our GoI/DoD would be looking for export version of AMCA. But whatever be the reasons - funding, facilities, supply chain, ignorance & over-optimism with threats, etc, all those affect in a pipeline, so it becomes a collective success, failure or delay.
IMO, when we boast of our brains globally, have surplus natural & human resources, improved education since decades now, then we should be ahead of small nations like Turkey, S.Korea & even European ones. But today also we are not initiating few things for all 3 armed-forces wings which we should. With some products good R&D is happening, but with other certain types of products we don't see the gap narrowing with global tech level. But it can happen now going forward if major reforms occur.

 

[shade2]

IDK if our GoI/DoD would be looking for export version of AMCA. But whatever be the reasons - funding, facilities, supply chain, ignorance & over-optimism with threats, etc, all those affect in a pipeline, so it becomes a collective success, failure or delay.
IMO, when we boast of our brains globally, have surplus natural & human resources, improved education since decades now, then we should be ahead of small nations like Turkey, S.Korea & even European ones. But today also we are not initiating few things for all 3 armed-forces wings which we should. With some products good R&D is happening, but with other certain types of products we don't see the gap narrowing with global tech level. But it can happen now going forward if major reforms occur.

Better just export any subsystems of the AMCA or provide tech consultancy to countries wanting to build stealth fighters.

A flying prototype of AMCA should be built and flown, and nice videos must be made about this so as to generate interests in foreign markets.

IAF won't buy AMCA, they are set on F-35 now, so there is no point attempting to build a whole ass fighter that even the parent airforce won't buy, and if they don't it makes foreign sales even more difficult

Which is why subsystem exports + tech consultancy for stealth fighter development.

Alternatively this project can be cancelled, any IP, designs, documents and sub system prototypes can be sold to private sector.

 

[Bhartiya Sainik]

Better just export any subsystems of the AMCA or provide tech consultancy to countries wanting to build stealth fighters.

A flying prototype of AMCA should be built and flown, and nice videos must be made about this so as to generate interests in foreign markets.

IAF won't buy AMCA, they are set on F-35 now, so there is no point attempting to build a whole ass fighter that even the parent airforce won't buy, and if they don't it makes foreign sales even more difficult

Which is why subsystem exports + tech consultancy for stealth fighter development.

IDK if IAF said it doesn't wan't AMCA anymore. I don't think so. ADA doesn't have anything better.
IAF is looking for few squads of something as stopgap for next 10yrs till AMCA gets inducted, that's the public news.
I don't think we can absorb too many F-35 immediately, technically or financially, bcoz its architecture, manufacturing, maintenance is too sophisticated.
And bcoz it is very S/w defined jet, so there is concern about lockable features, strict control, backdoors, etc, integration with other weapons & network.

Alternatively this project can be cancelled, any IP, designs, documents and sub system prototypes can be sold to private sector.

AMCA prototype should fly, it'll give enormous data, learning, confidence.
But i think it needs to be pumped up.
Theoretically R&D never stops growing. Some people say that ADA has finalized its MK1/IOC model & working on FOC/MK2 model, but difference is not known clearly.