AMCA - Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft

Bleh said:
Fuck all that... Why not pre-roll a prototype with MWF tech & whatever stealth materials we've already achieved?
It won't be a 5.5th gen jet, but can be a 5-th gen twin-engine larger MWF with IWBs.
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We are doing exactly that, stealth airframe +tejas mk2 tech.

and by doing that the timeline for first flight planned for 2028.

The problem is not avionics tech.
But the airframe itself.
We are going solid single peace bulk head, for that we meed 50k+ton forging press.
So we are currently creating that press.
After which that press will create the bulkhead.
 
Tejas Mk2 & AMCA : 8 Private Contenders

Initial efforts to form a Special Purpose Vehicle (SPV) saw limited interest, with only 6-7 companies attending early meetings in 2023. However, following CCS funding approval, 19 companies expressed their willingness to contribute to the AMCA, TEDBF, and Tejas Mk-2 programs.

Team Alpha Defense accessed the Vendor Evaluation Report for manufacturing multiple structural assemblies, including:

  • Front fuselage
  • Centre fuselage
  • Rear fuselage
  • Wings
  • Vertical tails
  • Canards
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The committee set up evaluation criteria and required vendors to provide the following details:

  • Facilities available per ADA requirements
  • Subcontracting allowed up to 30% (foreign collaboration not permitted)
  • Previous projects executed for ADA/DRDO/CSIR/HAL
  • Minimum annual turnover of ₹100 crores (last three years)
  • Expertise in composites, machining, sheet metal, and assembly
  • DG-AQA Certification/AFQMS Approval experience
  • NADCAP-approved special processes
  • Level-2/Level-3 certified technicians for inspections
  • Track record of timely project completion
  • Internal quality standards and procedures
  • Technical and support manpower details
  • Orders under execution or pending projects
To pass the Technical Evaluation, vendors needed a minimum score of 70. Bids from BrahMos Aerospace and BEML were rejected as the Expression of Interest (EoI) was open only to private vendors.
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Tata Advanced Systems Limited topped the evaluation with 96 points. Other companies that cleared the technical evaluation include:

  • L&T – 82 points
  • Aerostructures Manufacturing India Pvt Ltd – 79 points
  • Lakshmi Machine Works Ltd – 76 points
  • Godrej & Boyce Manufacturing Co. Ltd – 75 points
  • Dynamatic Technologies Ltd – 73 points
  • MTAR Technologies Pvt Ltd – 73 points
  • VEM Technologies – 71 points
However, major firms like Mahindra and Alpha Tocol failed to clear the evaluation. Interestingly, several companies scored just 0 or 1 out of 2 in the category of “Customer feedback report for the last three years and timely execution of projects.”
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The committee recommended adopting the CQCCBS (Combined Quality Cum Cost Based System) model. Under this approach, both technical and financial proposals will be weighted, with specific weightage factors assigned based on project complexity during the Request for Proposal (RFP) phase.
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https://alphadefense.in/index.php/2025/03/09/fighter-jet-makers-in-india-evaluation-ada-report/


View: https://x.com/alpha_defense/status/1898589873285759371
 
Spitfire IX said:
I do not recall anything happening when expected in indigenous fighter projects. AMCA Mk2 to be in production around 2045?
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I think it is premature to call JV engine version of AMCA as MK2 version just bcoz of engine. May be 1A or something in decimal. A number jump in version needs more modifications/additions like structural changes, etc.
But BTW, I also wanna point out that 10 years is lot of time to develop things considered very normal today, like HMDS, some custom weapons for IWB, DIRCM, etc whic should be expected from any jet globally inducted in 2030s. So there cannot be any arrogant excuses for ignorance, not after 5-10 years, but starting today.
 
Bhartiya Sainik said:
I think it is premature to call JV engine version of AMCA as MK2 version just bcoz of engine. May be 1A or something in decimal. A number jump in version needs more modifications/additions like structural changes, etc.
But BTW, I also wanna point out that 10 years is lot of time to develop things considered very normal today, like HMDS, some custom weapons for IWB, DIRCM, etc whic should be expected from any jet globally inducted in 2030s. So there cannot be any arrogant excuses for ignorance, not after 5-10 years, but starting today.
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Up to this point the initial version of AMCA has been termed Mk1 and a later, re-engined version Mk2 so I'll stick to that to distinguish between the two, even if Mk2 is not entirely warranted as a description.

If AMCA Mk1 can go into into production 2033/2034 but Mk2 not until 7/8/9 years later, would it not make sense to increase the order for Mk1? 60/80/100 would be a more attractive proposition to a commercial company considering breaking into the fighter assembly business. It would also lower the unit cost of aircraft assembly and allow more tired old fighters to be retired sooner (thinking early Su-30MKI).
 
randombully said:
We are doing exactly that, stealth airframe +tejas mk2 tech.

and by doing that the timeline for first flight planned for 2028.

The problem is not avionics tech.
But the airframe itself.
We are going solid single peace bulk head, for that we meed 50k+ton forging press.
So we are currently creating that press.
After which that press will create the bulkhead.
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You mean we are indigeneosly making one who is doing that ?
 
Spitfire IX said:
Up to this point the initial version of AMCA has been termed Mk1 and a later, re-engined version Mk2 so I'll stick to that to distinguish between the two, even if Mk2 is not entirely warranted as a description.
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Any official source on AMCA Mk2?

Spitfire IX said:
If AMCA Mk1 can go into into production 2033/2034 but Mk2 not until 7/8/9 years later, would it not make sense to increase the order for Mk1? 60/80/100 would be a more attractive proposition to a commercial company considering breaking into the fighter assembly business. It would also lower the unit cost of aircraft assembly and allow more tired old fighters to be retired sooner (thinking early Su-30MKI).
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I would put it this way - The F414 version should be produced till JVE (JV Engine) version is ready for production.
Yeah our old jets are very tired :hot::LOL:
 
Azaad said:
DKS the drunkard shoving himself in between Rajnath Singh & the other gentleman to get his ugly mug photographed. That's the biggest high light of the evening .
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For a moment there I didn't understand who DKS was, had to go back to the post to look and then realize you were referring to Di**Shi :)
 
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Exclusive : AMCA Production with HAL-Led Joint Venture - alphadefense.in

India is set to manufacture the Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA) through a HAL-led joint venture with private firms.
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HAL has invited private firms to form a joint venture that will handle AMCA manufacturing. The JV will have the following structure:

  • HAL will hold a 50% stake.
  • Four private firms will each hold 12.5% stakes.
  • Each firm will manage a specific work package.
The project aims to manufacture 126 AMCA aircraft, with production spanning from 2035 to 2047. The production schedule includes:
  • 9 aircraft annually from 2035 to 2038.
  • 10 aircraft per year from 2039 onward.

View: https://youtu.be/Dm7yS6CilCw
 
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