DRDO and PSU's

[Azaad]

What are these issues? Is it that native burgers don't want to do blue collar jobs of shipbuilding or something else?
I'd assume they're paid well even if its blue collar work

Thank your stars the USN is emaciated or at any rate incapable of overwhelming power projection when confronted by a peer navy & with facilities comprising their traditional MIC crumbling.

For when the final reckoning happens though we want the US to prevail , it should be thoroughly depleted not just of war fighting capabilities & capacities overseas but totally bereft of it .

For that too happen their economy must tank as well thus opening up chasms in their society which is already seeing emergence of multiple fault lines , deepening by the day .

Do remember after WW-2 Europe was a sh!thole . Germany was gone but it took down 2 of the world's existing super powers with it . If it wasn't for the US & its Marshal Plan , the recovery of Europe & Japan would've taken decades instead of just 1 decade.

As an aside , the Russian recovery minus any such external aid just doesn't get the coverage it deserves just as their contribution to the WW is constantly glossed over in the west.

Anyway the aim of this exposition is that there's not going to be another such Marshal Plan coz Europe itself is in an economic crisis apart from other crises & if the war in Ukraine resumes around the same time China embarks on its Taiwan campaign you can bet Russia to NATO would be - hum toh doobe sanam , saath tumhe bhi le doobenge.

Then there's our friendly neighborhood Iran...Real fun times ahead folks.

 

[Ayan Barat]

What are these issues? Is it that native burgers don't want to do blue collar jobs of shipbuilding or something else?
I'd assume they're paid well even if its blue collar work

There're multiple as @Binayak95 has already mentioned and you're also pretty much right.

> There's nothing worth bragging in blue collar jobs. You can't do a "so guys...this is what we have for our lunch here...it's avocado..." on Insta so why join them?
> Unlike let's say automobiles where one CNC replaced 10 lathe operators, shipbuilding still requires highly skilled labours and skill was transferred more by "apprenticeship" than any degree. Consider it like the artisans in West Bengal who made idols and how their craft is slowly dying.
> There's a lack of clear motiv on what exactly to have and in the process of achieving the "best", they don't even have a "good". Billions wasted on LCS program just to achieve the capability of a patrol vessel. Billions wasted on Zumwalt class only to ultimately get cancelled. This is in stark contrast to earlier doctrine of taking a good design like Arleigh Burke and making 80 of them and then keep iteratively upgrading them to maintain overmatch.
> Then you have Jones Acts which says that any ship used in US must be made in US. This puts pressure on already limited shipyards as they now have to deal with both comercial and increased civilian orders.

 

[shade2]

There're multiple as @Binayak95 has already mentioned and you're also pretty much right.

> There's nothing worth bragging in blue collar jobs. You can't do a "so guys...this is what we have for our lunch here...it's avocado..." on Insta so why join them?
> Unlike let's say automobiles where one CNC replaced 10 lathe operators, shipbuilding still requires highly skilled labours and skill was transferred more by "apprenticeship" than any degree. Consider it like the artisans in West Bengal who made idols and how their craft is slowly dying.
> There's a lack of clear motiv on what exactly to have and in the process of achieving the "best", they don't even have a "good". Billions wasted on LCS program just to achieve the capability of a patrol vessel. Billions wasted on Zumwalt class only to ultimately get cancelled. This is in stark contrast to earlier doctrine of taking a good design like Arleigh Burke and making 80 of them and then keep iteratively upgrading them to maintain overmatch.
> Then you have Jones Acts which says that any ship used in US must be made in US. This puts pressure on already limited shipyards as they now have to deal with both comercial and increased civilian orders.

How does this work? iirc i read on wiki that they are using a Franco-Italian ship design for their next frigates, those are supposed to be built in an Italian shipyard?
ofc this is because they blew like 15 years on that LCS scam so instead of spending another 15 years on design + building they just chose an existing warship design

 

[karn]

How does this work? iirc i read on wiki that they are using a Franco-Italian ship design for their next frigates, those are supposed to be built in an Italian shipyard?
ofc this is because they blew like 15 years on that LCS scam so instead of spending another 15 years on design + building they just chose an existing warship design

For your viewing pleasure

View: https://youtu.be/WgXuBWw9X8U?si=_M0Raq7t72sRoSyf
Tldr . Construction started before modules were even finalised.many other issues but that's the most glaring one

 

[Ayan Barat]

How does this work? iirc i read on wiki that they are using a Franco-Italian ship design for their next frigates, those are supposed to be built in an Italian shipyard?
ofc this is because they blew like 15 years on that LCS scam so instead of spending another 15 years on design + building they just chose an existing warship design

Jones Acts is only related to civilian vessels
> So you can't outsource any civilian vessel from outside USA
> You can definitely outsource defence vessels from other countries but then again you don't want to as it'd be inherently riskier

So now you're stuck with orders from both

 

[karn]

Jones Acts is only related to civilian vessels
> So you can't outsource any civilian vessel from outside USA
> You can definitely outsource defence vessels from other countries but then again you don't want to as it'd be inherently riskier

So now you're stuck with orders from both

Nothing wrong with building both civilian and military vessels. It's just that shipyards are on the coast (no shit) and costal states are degenerate libbies with high cost of living making blue collar work unviable.

 

[Suryavanshi]

What are these issues? Is it that native burgers don't want to do blue collar jobs of shipbuilding or something else?
I'd assume they're paid well even if its blue collar work

"Won't pick the cotton, won't mow the lawn" .

The fair skinned Americans can pay less than minimum wage to their local Mexican immigrant and get their lawns mowed and houses built.

Can't pay them to build ship and still call them illegal migrants.

Do you think Chinese are paying minimum wages to their workers in shipyards?

This is just one of the many factors.