Indian Air Force: News & Discussions

[VictorDelta4]

Stupid IAF along with their stupid records.

IAF had nothing to do with it. The Civil admin is at fault. They went what was going to happen and yet fumbled the crowd managment.

 

[sameer]

IAF had nothing to do with it. The Civil admin is at fault. They went what was going to happen and yet fumbled the crowd managment.

No, In general Indian law enforcement doesn't have the tools to manage such massive crowds and it was IAF that was pushing this record for limca book of world records.

It's actually lucky that we didn't have any kind of stampede.

 

[Spitfire IX]

Ah yes, they will send more Abhinandans in MiG-21 "Bison" Flying Coffins against pigs flying F-16s but they will never induct Tejas in large numbers, now helped by their friends from Washington DC blocking GE engine deliveries so UN Genrols are free of blame.

I think that GE is not immune to the supply problems brought on first by Covid-19. then by the Ukraine war. It may be that F404 supply to India is delayed due to

- a shortage of titanium etc
- GE's suppliers of -IN20 components being slow to restart production
- GE's being slow to restart production of -IN20
- GE prioritising supply to other customers before HAL
- political influence

I think that it is not by any means certain that F404-IN20 delays are down to IAF or US politicians plotting against India.

 

[Hari Sud]

Ah yes, they will send more Abhinandans in MiG-21 "Bison" Flying Coffins against pigs flying F-16s but they will never induct Tejas in large numbers, now helped by their friends from Washington DC blocking GE engine deliveries so UN Genrols are free of blame.

Which such jhumlas from Air Marshlols, i'm sure in the next few years we will be buying the F-16 and Tejas will be junked just like (((Athos))) killed ATAGS and (((Stryker))) will kill whAp.

The Armenian armed forces are more patriotic towards India than these Imported Army and Imported Air Force gernails.

BS is word comes to mind.

 

[Binayak95]

Ah yes, they will send more Abhinandans in MiG-21 "Bison" Flying Coffins against pigs flying F-16s but they will never induct Tejas in large numbers, now helped by their friends from Washington DC blocking GE engine deliveries so UN Genrols are free of blame.

Which such jhumlas from Air Marshlols, i'm sure in the next few years we will be buying the F-16 and Tejas will be junked just like (((Athos))) killed ATAGS and (((Stryker))) will kill whAp.

The Armenian armed forces are more patriotic towards India than these Imported Army and Imported Air Force gernails.

Oh enough of your ranting bullshit.

 

[Tridev123]

No, In general Indian law enforcement doesn't have the tools to manage such massive crowds and it was IAF that was pushing this record for limca book of world records.

It's actually lucky that we didn't have any kind of stampede.

I am straight away accusing you of doing politics.

The Police and the Civic authorities are under the control of the State Government.
Law and order is a State Government responsibility.
If the Government felt that they could not control the crowds expected they should have denied permission for the event.

You are probably a left wing sympathiser.
How can you use such words as stupid for the IAF.
And who the hell are you.
A fucking Einstein.

National institutions like the IAF need to be respected. You can criticize them but maintain decency.

Please state your background and superlative achievements. What spectacular success have you achieved in life.

The Mods need to discourage use of such language against National Institutions.

 

[Patriots]

The solutions which we could have , but we missed
1. Mirage 2000 induction in large numbers
2.inducting tejas ioc in large numbers
3. More su 30 mki
4. We invested but rejected su 57 , after 3-4 years paf will have j31
5. More rafale instead of 36
6. Atleast get as much as air defence system , you can have

 

[Ayan Barat]

As fighter strength dips below 1965 level, Air chief vows to fight with 'whatever we have'

Indian Air Force's combat strength is at a historic low with only 31 squadrons. Air Chief Marshal Amar Preet Singh emphasised adaptation with available assets while pushing for faster LCA production. The decline in force is due to retiring Soviet fighters and delayed replacements. He insisted on...

economictimes.indiatimes.com

> We have some 600 or so fighters; ranging from most advanced Rafale to MiG-21s
> Chinese have some 1,300 or so of just Flankers and Firebirds
> Almost 200 Fagins on top of that

Even if we completely ignore 5th gen fighter or technical intricacies like exponentially bigger support fleet...they outnumber us 2:1 by sheer number

What else can we do except fighting with whatever we have

 

[Anants]

> We have some 600 or so fighters; ranging from most advanced Rafale to MiG-21s
> Chinese have some 1,300 or so of just Flankers and Firebirds
> Almost 200 Fagins on top of that

Even if we completely ignore 5th gen fighter or technical intricacies like exponentially bigger support fleet...they outnumber us 2:1 by sheer number

What else can we do except fighting with whatever we have

Import 80 Rafale please and IAF shall swear parity achieved for at least 1 year.

China has got that big fleet on the basis of local manufacturing not by importing. Nobody can maintain a China sized air force by importing. With IAF itself setting target for 2047 for complete local IAF - that's indirect realistic answer that IAF cannot achieve parity at least until 2047.

 

[OutForVendetta]

> We have some 600 or so fighters; ranging from most advanced Rafale to MiG-21s
> Chinese have some 1,300 or so of just Flankers and Firebirds
> Almost 200 Fagins on top of that

Even if we completely ignore 5th gen fighter or technical intricacies like exponentially bigger support fleet...they outnumber us 2:1 by sheer number

What else can we do except fighting with whatever we have

Yep, that's one thing that worries me the most. We sleep peacefully (i don't understand how) saying that Su-30MKI's are our backbone and we can take on any adversary.

> Our total inventory of Su-30 MKI's is slightly less than or equal to their fleet of just J-11's.

> Equal number of J-16's. And then there are the Electronic version as well.

> Then theres the J-10 fleet.

> Heck their imported fleet of Su-27 family numbers around 50-60 % of our total fleet.

> Yeah, and 2 5th gen planes also numbering around 150-200

> Long range bomber, something we never look into.

* We have non-Aesa MKI's, some with only half their life left.
* Jaguars which have trouble just taking off
* M2K which form our backbone but are on the verge of their lives.
* mig-29, don't know what's their exact purpose
* Samosa Tejas, which lets admit, is an interceptor. That's it
* 2 squadrons of the rafales. Yeah we'll win wars with just 2 squadrons.

We can handle "conflicts" but it's really sad to say, that the outcome of any "war", like a fullscale one probably won't be in our favour if we strictly consider the role of air forces of both nations

 

[OutForVendetta]

Bhaiyo I have always wondered about this. Maybe your opinions can clear this up.

There is no way Russia will remain even the shell of the defence exporting giant it once used to be. Its biggest casualty will be their fighter jet manufacturers, right ?

I mean except for Iran and Egypt, i haven't heard of any nation saying they'll buy russian planes.

So, i know how peace loving and non-confrontational we are, but cant we aggressively lobby so that we can manufacture more Su-30MKI's and pull something like what china pulled with J-11 and J-16 (not completely copying them without Russia's permission). This can be considered follow on for the MKI fleet and not MRFA ?

Any thoughts or has this been discussed in the past ?

 

[Ayan Barat]

Bhaiyo I have always wondered about this. Maybe your opinions can clear this up.

There is no way Russia will remain even the shell of the defence exporting giant it once used to be. Its biggest casualty will be their fighter jet manufacturers, right ?

I mean except for Iran and Egypt, i haven't heard of any nation saying they'll buy russian planes.

So, i know how peace loving and non-confrontational we are, but cant we aggressively lobby so that we can manufacture more Su-30MKI's and pull something like what china pulled with J-11 and J-16 (not completely copying them without Russia's permission). This can be considered follow on for the MKI fleet and not MRFA ?

Any thoughts or has this been discussed in the past ?

What's completely non-existent in terms of indigenous aviation industry? Support platforms.

Majority of our heavy lift, both fixed and rotary, is US dependent (C-17, C-130J and CH-47). What's not US based suffers from serious spare parts scarcity (Il-76). We have plans for Tejas Mk-2, Naval one, AMCA but for transport, it's nill. NAL Saras is a saga in itself.

And despite this did we bother buying Embraer when it was dying for someone to take it for just $5 billion?
Imagine local production of C-390. Competing with C-130J in export markets. Imagine the local sales of civilian ERJ or E-Jet family considering the rise in low cost carriers here. And its export too. But perhaps most importantly, imagine all the patents, years of R&D, scientists, TDPs.

We bought 31 Predators for $4 billion.

It was bit of a weird tangent, but I hope you got your answer.