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also i heard somewhere that in high altitude and low air density its better to employ turboprops so ig a400m will be better, but we would have to sacrifice atmanirbharta
 
liberalredditor said:
also i heard somewhere that in high altitude and low air density its better to employ turboprops so ig a400m will be better, but we would have to sacrifice atmanirbharta
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Depends, with large 70-80nos a400m ordered.
~50-60 can "manufactured" in india, and basically majority of the jet components & airframes except engines will be made In india.

Same case for c390, the engines it uses are made by IAE which is a joint venture between
Pratt & Whitney (25%)
Pratt & Whitney Aero Engines International (25%)
MTU Aero Engines (25%)
Japanese Aero Engine Corporation (25%)( so 50% american, 25% German, 25% japanese).

Lots of other components in c390 beside engines are also imported from all over the world, so Brazilian Embraer itself is not atmanirbhar In c390 aircraft, even if we exclude engines.
 
snakeeyes07 said:
If C-17 lease or purchase (used or new ones with production restart) is not an option then add A-400M to the list as well.

Re KC-135, wet lease option is available from Metrea, they have around 10 of them so IAF could get 5-6 of them. Not sure if their KC-135 have Drogue refueling system.
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As per a certain PIB release months ago, We are wet leasing one KC-135 from this Metrea and also wet leasing 1x A330 MRTT from the French Airforce.

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wet leasing means you get the plane with crew
 
shade2 said:
As per a certain PIB release months ago, We are wet leasing one KC-135 from this Metrea and also wet leasing 1x A330 MRTT from the French Airforce.

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wet leasing means you get the plane with crew
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wet leasing in military = absolute foolishness, you dont give your personnel experience over new platforms which would be acquired in the future and with phoren crews having access to indian airforce bases, you are inviting nur khan in india
 
liberalredditor said:
wet leasing in military = absolute foolishness, you dont give your personnel experience over new platforms which would be acquired in the future and with phoren crews having access to indian airforce bases, you are inviting nur khan in india
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You only get these ((( stop gaps ))) when there is a seeming dalal civil war as to which tanker to buy.

Atleast they are doing something, hope the A330 MRTT is acquired, like you said in earlier post even i don't expect the KC-135 to appear once we pay jaziya to Uncle Sam
 
randombully said:
Lots of other components in c390 beside engines are also imported from all over the world, so Brazilian Embraer itself is not atmanirbhar In c390 aircraft, even if we exclude engines.
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Embraer's objective is to make a profit from making C-390. It seems to have created a product that is very saleable. Hence all the customers (nearing 10 so far).
 
shade2 said:
You only get these ((( stop gaps ))) when there is a seeming dalal civil war as to which tanker to buy.

Atleast they are doing something, hope the A330 MRTT is acquired, like you said in earlier post even i don't expect the KC-135 to appear once we pay jaziya to Uncle Sam
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they have already given so much info to burgerica and porks through muh uber mou for free rides, i know somehow they will fkcu up the acquisition
 
randombully said:
Depends, with large 70-80nos a400m ordered.
~50-60 can "manufactured" in india, and basically majority of the jet components & airframes except engines will be made In india.

Same case for c390, the engines it uses are made by IAE which is a joint venture between
Pratt & Whitney (25%)
Pratt & Whitney Aero Engines International (25%)
MTU Aero Engines (25%)
Japanese Aero Engine Corporation (25%)( so 50% american, 25% German, 25% japanese).

Lots of other components in c390 beside engines are also imported from all over the world, so Brazilian Embraer itself is not atmanirbhar In c390 aircraft, even if we exclude engines.
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Brazilians will be more amenable to share tech and know how with us in exchange for large order than Europeans.
Who are like 3-4 countries with their own opinions on tech sharing.

I mean you will atleast know how to build the airframe for a large transport plane
 
liberalredditor said:
tejas mk2 first flight in q1 means a prototype roll out in 2025, is this possible?
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Yeah because prototype work was almost complete according to all those leaks. Very much possible. They already have 8-9 engines for prototypes. So even if GE F414 negotiation take a bit more time, Tejas Mk2 prototype rollout has very little issue. Atleast from that perspective..
 
i meant to say that recently a news came out which said that prototype roll out was pushed to 2026 q1 and first flight by q3 or q4, thats why i doubted it

bhai tere me munh me ghee shakkar, i hope they roll out the prototype by september october, i just cannot wait to see that bird
 
shade2 said:
I mean you will atleast know how to build the airframe for a large transport plane
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That much can easily be given be Europeans themselves.


shade2 said:
Brazilians will be more amenable to share tech and know how with us in exchange for large order than Europeans.
Who are like 3-4 countries with their own opinions on tech sharing.
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"3-4 countries with their own opinion" yeah about that.

*****The Embraer C-390 Millennium is a multinational effort, and while manufactured by Embraer in Brazil, it incorporates a significant number of imported components besides its International Aero Engines (IAE) V2500-E5 turbofan engines.
Key imported components and systems include:
* Aerostructures:
* Rear fuselage section: Produced by Aero Vodochody (Czech Republic). 🇨🇿
* Wing leading edges: Also from Aero Vodochody.
* All doors (including cargo door): Supplied by Aero Vodochody.
* Cargo ramp: Another component from Aero Vodochody.
* Tail cone: Supplied by Fábrica Argentina de Aviones (FAdeA) from Argentina. 🇦🇷
* Landing gear doors: Also from FAdeA.
* Sponsons (including central fuselage): OGMA (Portugal) is involved in their design and manufacturing. 🇵🇹


* Flap fairings: From FAdeA. 🇦🇷.



* Avionics.
* Pro Line Fusion avionics system: Supplied by Collins Aerospace (formerly Rockwell Collins), providing integrated displays, flight and data management, navigation aids, and warning systems. 🇺🇸


* Flight Control Systems:
* Fly-by-wire primary flight control system: Provided by BAE Systems. 🇬🇧


* Electro-hydrostatic actuators, electro-backup hydrostatic actuators, actuator electronics, and electrical controls: Supplied by various companies like Collins Aerospace (Mechanical Systems - Actuation). 🇺🇸


* Landing Gear:
* Landing gear: Manufactured by ELEB (a Brazilian company that is part of Embraer, but it's worth noting its components could involve international suppliers) and OGMA (Portugal). The C-390's landing gear features a double chamber shock absorber system and modern hydraulic systems.

* Other Systems and Components:
* Hydraulic pumps and power supplies: From companies like Eaton Aerospace. 🇺🇸 🇮🇪

* Ice protection/prevention equipment: Such as windshield ice protection controllers and wing anti-ice valves from suppliers like Collins Aerospace and Liebherr-Aerospace Toulouse. 🇺🇸 🇩🇪



* Self-protection suite (SPS): Including Radar Warning Receiver (RWR), Laser Warning System (LWS), Missile Approach Warning System (MAWS), Chaff & Flare, and Directional Infrared Counter Measures (DIRCM) from various suppliers.



* Removable auxiliary fuel tanks and refueling pods: For aerial refueling capabilities.


* Cargo handling system accessories: Such as tie-down rings, roller trays, cargo guidance and restraint systems.


* Structural tie rods: From RO-RA Aviation Systems GmbH. 🇦🇹


* Rugged data acquisition systems: Supplied by Curtiss-Wright Controls. 🇺🇸


This collaborative approach in manufacturing and sourcing components from different countries highlights the globalized nature of modern aircraft production and the strategic partnerships Embraer has formed for the C-390 program. *****

America and Europe will have as much say in what tech to share and manufacture in India on c390 as they will have in a400m.
 
randombully said:
That much can easily be given be Europeans themselves.



"3-4 countries with their own opinion" yeah about that.

*****The Embraer C-390 Millennium is a multinational effort, and while manufactured by Embraer in Brazil, it incorporates a significant number of imported components besides its International Aero Engines (IAE) V2500-E5 turbofan engines.
Key imported components and systems include:
* Aerostructures:
* Rear fuselage section: Produced by Aero Vodochody (Czech Republic). 🇨🇿
* Wing leading edges: Also from Aero Vodochody.
* All doors (including cargo door): Supplied by Aero Vodochody.
* Cargo ramp: Another component from Aero Vodochody.
* Tail cone: Supplied by Fábrica Argentina de Aviones (FAdeA) from Argentina. 🇦🇷
* Landing gear doors: Also from FAdeA.
* Sponsons (including central fuselage): OGMA (Portugal) is involved in their design and manufacturing. 🇵🇹


* Flap fairings: From FAdeA. 🇦🇷.



* Avionics.
* Pro Line Fusion avionics system: Supplied by Collins Aerospace (formerly Rockwell Collins), providing integrated displays, flight and data management, navigation aids, and warning systems. 🇺🇸


* Flight Control Systems:
* Fly-by-wire primary flight control system: Provided by BAE Systems. 🇬🇧


* Electro-hydrostatic actuators, electro-backup hydrostatic actuators, actuator electronics, and electrical controls: Supplied by various companies like Collins Aerospace (Mechanical Systems - Actuation). 🇺🇸


* Landing Gear:
* Landing gear: Manufactured by ELEB (a Brazilian company that is part of Embraer, but it's worth noting its components could involve international suppliers) and OGMA (Portugal). The C-390's landing gear features a double chamber shock absorber system and modern hydraulic systems.

* Other Systems and Components:
* Hydraulic pumps and power supplies: From companies like Eaton Aerospace. 🇺🇸 🇮🇪

* Ice protection/prevention equipment: Such as windshield ice protection controllers and wing anti-ice valves from suppliers like Collins Aerospace and Liebherr-Aerospace Toulouse. 🇺🇸 🇩🇪



* Self-protection suite (SPS): Including Radar Warning Receiver (RWR), Laser Warning System (LWS), Missile Approach Warning System (MAWS), Chaff & Flare, and Directional Infrared Counter Measures (DIRCM) from various suppliers.



* Removable auxiliary fuel tanks and refueling pods: For aerial refueling capabilities.


* Cargo handling system accessories: Such as tie-down rings, roller trays, cargo guidance and restraint systems.


* Structural tie rods: From RO-RA Aviation Systems GmbH. 🇦🇹


* Rugged data acquisition systems: Supplied by Curtiss-Wright Controls. 🇺🇸


This collaborative approach in manufacturing and sourcing components from different countries highlights the globalized nature of modern aircraft production and the strategic partnerships Embraer has formed for the C-390 program. *****

America and Europe will have as much say in what tech to share and manufacture in India on c390 as they will have in a400m.
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each and everything from avionics to a screw is imported, what did they do? just opened catia or siemens nx and designed an aircraft?
 
randombully said:
That much can easily be given be Europeans themselves.



"3-4 countries with their own opinion" yeah about that.

*****The Embraer C-390 Millennium is a multinational effort, and while manufactured by Embraer in Brazil, it incorporates a significant number of imported components besides its International Aero Engines (IAE) V2500-E5 turbofan engines.
Key imported components and systems include:
* Aerostructures:
* Rear fuselage section: Produced by Aero Vodochody (Czech Republic). 🇨🇿
* Wing leading edges: Also from Aero Vodochody.
* All doors (including cargo door): Supplied by Aero Vodochody.
* Cargo ramp: Another component from Aero Vodochody.
* Tail cone: Supplied by Fábrica Argentina de Aviones (FAdeA) from Argentina. 🇦🇷
* Landing gear doors: Also from FAdeA.
* Sponsons (including central fuselage): OGMA (Portugal) is involved in their design and manufacturing. 🇵🇹


* Flap fairings: From FAdeA. 🇦🇷.



* Avionics.
* Pro Line Fusion avionics system: Supplied by Collins Aerospace (formerly Rockwell Collins), providing integrated displays, flight and data management, navigation aids, and warning systems. 🇺🇸


* Flight Control Systems:
* Fly-by-wire primary flight control system: Provided by BAE Systems. 🇬🇧


* Electro-hydrostatic actuators, electro-backup hydrostatic actuators, actuator electronics, and electrical controls: Supplied by various companies like Collins Aerospace (Mechanical Systems - Actuation). 🇺🇸


* Landing Gear:
* Landing gear: Manufactured by ELEB (a Brazilian company that is part of Embraer, but it's worth noting its components could involve international suppliers) and OGMA (Portugal). The C-390's landing gear features a double chamber shock absorber system and modern hydraulic systems.

* Other Systems and Components:
* Hydraulic pumps and power supplies: From companies like Eaton Aerospace. 🇺🇸 🇮🇪

* Ice protection/prevention equipment: Such as windshield ice protection controllers and wing anti-ice valves from suppliers like Collins Aerospace and Liebherr-Aerospace Toulouse. 🇺🇸 🇩🇪



* Self-protection suite (SPS): Including Radar Warning Receiver (RWR), Laser Warning System (LWS), Missile Approach Warning System (MAWS), Chaff & Flare, and Directional Infrared Counter Measures (DIRCM) from various suppliers.



* Removable auxiliary fuel tanks and refueling pods: For aerial refueling capabilities.


* Cargo handling system accessories: Such as tie-down rings, roller trays, cargo guidance and restraint systems.


* Structural tie rods: From RO-RA Aviation Systems GmbH. 🇦🇹


* Rugged data acquisition systems: Supplied by Curtiss-Wright Controls. 🇺🇸


This collaborative approach in manufacturing and sourcing components from different countries highlights the globalized nature of modern aircraft production and the strategic partnerships Embraer has formed for the C-390 program. *****

America and Europe will have as much say in what tech to share and manufacture in India on c390 as they will have in a400m.
Click to expand...

Arre never knew this, assumed they atleast make the airframe in Brazil but the Czechs and Portugese make that also :bplease:

In this case it is better to negotiate with Euros for A400M only.

Euro produces much more military maal and economically we can synergize with them better than with Brazil.

Thanks for this post listing all the foreign parts.

A330 MRTT + A400M is a great combo, we can negotiate a bulk deal, hope Dolund just triggers Leaderji into not buying any Amerithrash so we can buy this euro maal
 
shade2 said:
Arre never knew this, assumed they atleast make the airframe in Brazil but the Czechs and Portugese make that also :bplease:

In this case it is better to negotiate with Euros for A400M only.

Euro produces much more military maal and economically we can synergize with them better than with Brazil.

Thanks for this post listing all the foreign parts.

A330 MRTT + A400M is a great combo, we can negotiate a bulk deal, hope Dolund just triggers Leaderji into not buying any Amerithrash so we can buy this euro maal
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a400m + a330 mrtt + a330neo, lets go and get those fresh escargots, finally not a khichdi with spares and logistics
 
liberalredditor said:
a400m + a330 mrtt + a330neo, lets go and get those fresh escargots, finally not a khichdi with spares and logistics
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www.twz.com

Airbus A321 Airliners To Be Modified Into “Flying Frigate” Patrol Jets By France

The maritime patrol jet is intended to replace the French Navy’s aging Dassault Atlantique 2s and comes as Boeing’s P-8 gobbles up market share. The maritime patrol jet is intended to replace the French Navy’s aging Dassault Atlantique 2s and comes as Boeing’s P-8 gobbles up market share.
www.twz.com www.twz.com

Froggies are also making an MPA out of an Airbus and now since they have a "muh fellow Euopeen" bromance going on with Sweden, i'm sure there is an Airbus plane based AWACS also.


View: https://x.com/Saab/status/1935373111706189939


Let's hope Dolunds chimpouts are permanent and EUropoids divorce the US masta, it is only beneficial for us.
 
shade2 said:
www.twz.com

Airbus A321 Airliners To Be Modified Into “Flying Frigate” Patrol Jets By France

The maritime patrol jet is intended to replace the French Navy’s aging Dassault Atlantique 2s and comes as Boeing’s P-8 gobbles up market share. The maritime patrol jet is intended to replace the French Navy’s aging Dassault Atlantique 2s and comes as Boeing’s P-8 gobbles up market share.
www.twz.com www.twz.com

Froggies are also making an MPA out of an Airbus and now since they have a "muh fellow Euopeen" bromance going on with Sweden, i'm sure there is an Airbus plane based AWACS also.


View: https://x.com/Saab/status/1935373111706189939


Let's hope Dolunds chimpouts are permanent and EUropoids divorce the US masta, it is only beneficial for us.
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french fries - burger relations wouldnt be the same due to kangaroos, aukus snatched such a huge deal from them, a golden hen. + recent dolund spewing venom against pookie macron, i think it would be record low for a nato country.

we should get the deal asap, with kc135 in competition, then only baguettes wouldnt be able to suck out our money, then their mindset would be to get the deal first then suck out through mro and spares, then we will handle them
 
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