Indian Air Force: News & Discussions

[bruno]

just yesterday that they feel very confident that

I guess that we can fill pages and pages here with "we are confident that..."
On my side, I'm confident that we we should use conditional instead !

 

[IndiaRising]

I guess that we can fill pages and pages here with "we are confident that..."
On my side, I'm confident that we we should use conditional instead !

Well let’s see. By June, we will know what the reality is.

 

[bruno]

Well let’s see. By June, we will know what the reality is.

anoucements. Guesses. There is anything but this here. As a foreigner it is really hard to follow forums in India, in which guesses give birth to rumors, and rumors are often interpretates as facts, facts become news, news feeds facts, and then you are swimming into parrallel reality in which everything you though was a reallity are, for real, nothing.

to reply to the two of your last comments about "IAF was really impressed by...". It was same for Mirage 2000 after Kargil war. They were supposed to buy a lot. But...
Same for Rafale, there were supposed to buy a lot, but... Then MMRCA, MMRCA 2.0, MRFA... Even in the 3 last pages of this topic people are saying "with MRFA we WILL" while there is a commity ongoin which supposed to give an answer about the way they will proceed "contender or not ? G2G or not ?"
how much time people came here to tell us that "they will..." And the worse ? Announce some dates that are NEVER respected.

Here in France we are talking about Indian time, by joking, we are telling than when someone in announcing something with a schedule, you take the schedule and multiply it by a factor between 3 and 5.

So I don't know if you understand each other and we are here in something related to cultural differences (I work a lot with Indian people - and I love it), but it could be great that you use conditional when there is a possibility, even tiny, that the information you'll provide is not 100% sure. It is an advice not for you, but a least for foreigners guys that reads you in order to get intel, which doesn't understand you sometimes, and can misunderstand you.

 

[Corvus Splendens]

• We don't have air launched nuclear missiles that need dedicated platforms. Heck we don't even have any guided nuclear bomb, atleast in public knowledge.
• Anything that's not a warhead for ballistic missiles are just good ol' dumb bomb where you "authorise" it on ground and then just drop it. Even the MiG-21s were theoretically capable of carrying the RN-24 nuclear bomb.
• Even if we've a secret nuclear munition then also a foreign fighter whose source code we don't have makes the worst platform for nuclear delivery.

• Order 0 Rafale; IAF - and Opposition -
• Order 126 Rafale; IAF - and Opposition -
• Something in between 0 - 126; IAF - and Opposition -

I know it's extremely complicated and all technological, but that's my theory.

Regardless of whether F-35 comes or not, 18-36 more Rafale for IAF will happen. Sunk cost fallacy and all that. That's 2 squadrons out of 6 of the old MRFA requirement. So maybe we're looking at 4 squadron's worth, around 80 F-35s if IAF and GoI have the intent.

 

[IndiaRising]

anoucements. Guesses. There is anything but this here. As a foreigner it is really hard to follow forums in India, in which guesses give birth to rumors, and rumors are often interpretates as facts, facts become news, news feeds facts, and then you are swimming into parrallel reality in which everything you though was a reallity are, for real, nothing.

to reply to the two of your last comments about "IAF was really impressed by...". It was same for Mirage 2000 after Kargil war. They were supposed to buy a lot. But...
Same for Rafale, there were supposed to buy a lot, but... Then MMRCA, MMRCA 2.0, MRFA... Even in the 3 last pages of this topic people are saying "with MRFA we WILL" while there is a commity ongoin which supposed to give an answer about the way they will proceed "contender or not ? G2G or not ?"
how much time people came here to tell us that "they will..." And the worse ? Announce some dates that are NEVER respected.

Here in France we are talking about Indian time, by joking, we are telling than when someone in announcing something with a schedule, you take the schedule and multiply it by a factor between 3 and 5.

So I don't know if you understand each other and we are here in something related to cultural differences (I work a lot with Indian people - and I love it), but it could be great that you use conditional when there is a possibility, even tiny, that the information you'll provide is not 100% sure. It is an advice not for you, but a least for foreigners guys that reads you in order to get intel, which doesn't understand you sometimes, and can misunderstand you.

Well obviously I don’t work for Indian govt or the Indian Air Force. Neither do the people on this forum. None of us can give the complete truth.

 

[bruno]

Well obviously I don’t work for Indian govt or the Indian Air Force. Neither do the people on this forum. None of us can give the complete truth.

So I suggest you to write something like that instead :" hey guys, I have good insight off what may happens. Here the rumors : IAF is well impressed by... And so they would like to order..."
And so your message is 100% true and not misunderstandable.

 

[randombully]

Numbers floating around are somewhere between 2-3 squadrons. 36-50… I have a contact within TASL who told me this news just yesterday that they feel very confident that F-35 will be ordered because IAF is genuinely interested and also the Trump threat of sanctions is forcing GoI’s hands. He told me by June DSCA notification should come. The main point of contention for IAF is that the want AN/APG 85 not 81. Also, IAF is keen to integrate its own desi SOWs and PGMs. TASL makes F-16 wings iirc. They are a part of the LM ecosystem but believe what u want. I could be wrong.

No company is a good source.
Government decides these things.
Until final confirmation happens we can't say what has higher chances of happening

 

[IndiaRising]

View: https://x.com/HocusPocusPiza/status/1891429312512901247

 

[ArjunMK1A]

View: https://x.com/HocusPocusPiza/status/1891429312512901247

Is it b2?

 

[AbRaj]

Nobody has won either on Western border or northern border. Chinese intimidate only with numbers. But now those numbers have been equalized. They need five times more military strength to cross the northern passes to cross into India for invasion. Once in India, they are trapped. Hence, They will cleverly do skirmishes only. That score, India can equalize by attacking their major road network.

Pakistan is a Jehadi state. They talk more than they deliver especially with a begging bowl in hand. They have lost 4 wars and 5th war if fought will be final and then the wars with them are over. Nobody in their friends will let them use nuclear weapons because return salvo will be so great that none will be left in Pakistan for Jehad.

So have confidence, don’t go by propaganda. The Pakistanis don’t have money to buy petroleum to fly their planes or move their tanks, let alone fight a war. Their propaganda machine is army controlled who pretend to be very confident.

Cheers

Cheers

 

[Spacemarine]

So I suggest you to write something like that instead :" hey guys, I have good insight off what may happens. Here the rumors : IAF is well impressed by... And so they would like to order..."
And so your message is 100% true and not misunderstandable.

I dont think anyone other than Modi at this point of time has any idea on this.

It may just happen India just to keep the biggest goon on planet pacified purchase couple of squadrons of F-35 off the shelf and few more if Republicans are repeated in 2029

 

[IndiaRising]

Is it b2?

Yes

 

[Nutcracker]

View: https://x.com/HocusPocusPiza/status/1891429312512901247

Wtf wtf. Need more confirmations.

 

[IndiaRising]

View: https://x.com/nit_ayatana/status/1891450681652846947

Sad

 

[bruno]

The way the fakes news are spreading in your country is just amazing ! Like you wanted to confirm my previous point...

(i'm jocking)

 

[iNorthernerOn9]

This nation needs a bloody crushing defeat of an unfathomable scale...

Sadak par ludakh rahe chaapri se lekar top par baithne waale tak... sab ka dimaag theek ho jaayega

As I type... a very crafty low iq narrative is being forcefully spread on SM infusing all kind of shit logic... with aim to create a pan India unrest if govt goes ahead to ink F35 deal.

I strongly feel they are planning to riot and create mayhem if modi goes ahead with F35.

Sab ke sab bsdk defence expert hain.

Earlier today was reading something... and got reminded this... the last thing of substance that happened in previous trump presidency... barely a week before US presidential election in 2020... was inking of BECA... the last of the 3 foundational defence agreements... just a week before... for which then secretary of state & defence flew to India.

AMCA is not getting inducted before 2035 at the earliest... it won't be in squadron strength before say 2038.

Chinese will have atleast 700-800 J-20 by 2030... of which at the very least 1/4th would be parked within 1000km of our borders.

PAF will induct atleast 4 squadrons of J-35... of which I suppose atleast 2 would be operational by 2032. Inductions in all probability will begin in 2027 not later.

Bcoz of our lackluster planning and execution Our problem got compounded... we are very short of jets and there's no 5th gen option immediately available... both these things hit us at once.

If they wish to acquire F35... anything below 3 squadron(54 aircraft) would be a joke.

I hope they might have learnt from Mirage & Rafale Acquisition.

 

[Spitfire IX]

IAF needs fighters. Light fighters are soon to be delivered (Tejas Mk1A). but heavier fighters are also required. How quickly could the following fighters be delivered ?

F-35
Su-57
Tejas Mk2
Rafale

If the timeline for all of those is too long, what about Eurofighter?

It is all very well waiting for MRFA but while India is waiting IAF will be receiving nothing but short range, limited payload light fighters.

Is it time to scrap MRFA and buy a fighter with quick availability on a G2G basis?

 

[Indianhawk]

Is it time to scrap MRFA and buy a fighter with quick availability on a G2G basis?

MRFA has not been even notified yet. So it can't be scrapped.

 

[Indianhawk]

Chinese will have atleast 700-800 J-20 by 2030... of which at the very least 1/4th would be parked within 1000km of our borders.

Do they not already have 300 j20?? What's stopping them from attacking us right now!

PAF will induct atleast 4 squadrons of J-35... of which I suppose atleast 2 would be operational by 2032. Inductions in all probability will begin in 2027 not later.

What if by 2035 Chinese gift pak 2 squadron of j36-j50 whatever triangle they flew recently. Wouldn't that render f35 obsolete.

 

[Azaad]

Do they not already have 300 j20?? What's stopping them from attacking us right now!

The theater ization & modernization of the Chinese armed forces are due to be completed in 2027-28. Add a year's buffer though it's mostly on schedule or at least I haven't come across articles claiming otherwise .

Whatever you can anticipate, whether Taiwan or India will occur post 2028 or 29.

What if by 2035 Chinese gift pak 2 squadron of j36-j50 whatever triangle they flew recently. Wouldn't that render f35 obsolete.